QCity Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Process said: 2 first round picks + for a safety is absolutely absurd Seattle should be loading up around Wilson while he is still in his prime to go for another SB run. How about they actually give him a decent OL for once? A S is not going to move the needle for them I dont care how good he is. 2 second round picks+ for a safety in the last year of his contract would still be absurd. Especially one that was asking to be the highest paid player on the team (more than Mosley's $17M/yr). Try negotiating that next contract after all the leverage he has now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: The Jets are clueless when it comes to drafting anyways, so Seattle won't pay that heavy of a price off the surface. But on the surface............... How the F do you give up two first rounders for a freaking safety. It's not that Adams is Ronnie Lott in his prime or something. He’s elite, the best safety in football. He’s good in coverage and in the box. You can build your entire defense around him. He gave up 4.5 yards per target and had 47 QB pressures. Adams is different. He’s not getting nearly enough credit on here for how good he really is. The Jets obviously got a big return but that’s the cost for a superstar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Stupid trade by Seattle to give up that much for Adams. Nice haul by the Jets though, but if they miss on the draft picks they're useless. It weakens that defense this year for sure though, which helps us in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 It is basically what Ramsey was traded for ro the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Jets made out like bandits. Adams is great but .... TWO career interceptions / disgruntled / looking for a brinks truck / final year of rookie deal. silver lining 1 - clearly jets are worse in the short term and lose another year when Darnold is signed for cheap. And JA / Diggs says thanks to Joe Douglas silver lining 2 - Gase is firmly in control for the next few years since Jets are in rebuilding mode Edited July 25, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Anyone else get the feeing that Carroll is going to leave Seattle in the same condition he left USC? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: KC mahomes on Offense/ Honey Badger on Defense Sea Wilson on Offense/ Adams on Defense Maybe this is the thinking? They might want to take into account Metcalf/Lockett/Olsen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 For those saying that this is a stupid trade for the Seahawks... I'm shocked. Jamal Adams was drafted 6th overall and actually lived up to the hype. You're shocked that the 6th overall pick is worth two late first round picks and a third? It's a fair trade for both sides and I'm happy to see Adams gone from the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 This is terrible news. I want Adams to be quiet and Gase to stay with the Jets for awhile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rigotz said: For those saying that this is a stupid trade for the Seahawks... I'm shocked. Jamal Adams was drafted 6th overall and actually lived up to the hype. You're shocked that the 6th overall pick is worth two late first round picks and a third? It's a fair trade for both sides and I'm happy to see Adams gone from the division. It's a ton for a safety no matter how good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s elite, the best safety in football. He’s good in coverage and in the box. You can build your entire defense around him. He gave up 4.5 yards per target and had 47 QB pressures. Adams is different. He’s not getting nearly enough credit on here for how good he really is. The Jets obviously got a big return but that’s the cost for a superstar. I don't know Kirby, a safety doesn't move the needle that much. Make no question about it, he will help Seattle big time, but is it enough to get them over the top? And at their cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: This is terrible news. I want Adams to be quiet and Gase to stay with the Jets for awhile. Adams leaving is good for us and Gase is still there so that’s good for us too. What part of this is terrible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 His leaving is a good thing. Dude is a game changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Found a great article if you want to see just how dysfunctional the Jets organization has become: https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-jamal-adams-trade-joe-douglas-contract-extension-20200724-vc6zwwpmjrepjii67hojt2t5ri-story.html Honestly, it reminds me of the past 20 years as a Bills fan before McDermott and Beane got here. If you're ever feeling like you "want a change" and don't like our front office, try to remember how different it was before they got here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 5 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Interesting... Bills/Jets - Split Jets lost to Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens Bills lost to Patriots (x2), Browns, Eagles, Ravens Jets beat Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT Bills beat Giants, Dolphins, Dallas, Washington, Steelers, AFC WEST OPPONENT Buffalo was able to separate over beating Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT. Jets lost to Dolphins, Bengals, AFC SOUTH OPPONENT. Interesting information here. Of course the Bills lost to the Jets playing backups but the two teams look closer that most Bills fans realize. Almost every NFL game seems to come down to a just a few plays that separate the winners and losers. 8 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Adams leaving is good for us and Gase is still there so that’s good for us too. What part of this is terrible? Sarcasm was intended. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Interesting information here. Of course the Bills lost to the Jets playing backups but the two teams look closer that most Bills fans realize. Almost every NFL game seems to come down to a just a few plays that separate the winners and losers. Just a few plays... in the 3 games difference between Buffalo beating Dolphins, Bengals, Titans. - Fitz threw a goal line INT - Dalton threw a game ending INT on potential game winning drive - Titans had 2 Touchdowns called back and 4 missed field goals. 7 plays difference between 10-6 and 7-9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They might want to take into account Metcalf/Lockett/Olsen... Metcalf and Lockett combined for right around 2,000 yards and 17 TDs. I don’t think Seattle is even a little concerned about their weapons if that’s what you are implying. If not, I apologize for missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 7:54 AM, YoloinOhio said: They pretty much have to trade him now, right? Welp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 58 minutes ago, FluffHead said: Jets get a haul in this deal. I would not give up that much for a safety WOW! Amazing move by the Jets! Seattle is crazy giving up that kind of value for a Safety. WTF Pete?? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, njbuff said: I don't know Kirby, a safety doesn't move the needle that much. Make no question about it, he will help Seattle big time, but is it enough to get them over the top? And at their cost? Maybe Mathieu moves the needle in KC. In today’s “hybrid” NFL (and NBA) versatility is king. It allows teams to give multiple looks without having to go to small or big. It used to be “you do this” or “you do that“ and teams could adjust based on who was out there. Adams can play in the box as a high end LB or in coverage as a high end safety. He’s not “in the box” or “ballhawk.” He’s both. Versatility is king in 2020. On a side note that’s one of the most underrated aspects of the Bills D. Hyde and Poyer are completely interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe Mathieu moves the needle in KC. In today’s “hybrid” NFL (and NBA) versatility is king. It allows teams to give multiple looks without having to go to small or big. It used to be “you do this” or “you do that“ and teams could adjust based on who was out there. Adams can play in the box as a high end LB or in coverage as a high end safety. He’s not “in the box” or “ballhawk.” He’s both. Versatility is king in 2020. On a side note that’s one of the most underrated aspects of the Bills D. Hyde and Poyer are completely interchangeable. Adams is also a superstar. Were the Seahawks going to draft a superstar next year at pick 27? Wilson isn’t old but he may not play til 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Maybe Mathieu moves the needle in KC. In today’s “hybrid” NFL (and NBA) versatility is king. It allows teams to give multiple looks without having to go to small or big. It used to be “you do this” or “you do that“ and teams could adjust based on who was out there. Adams can play in the box as a high end LB or in coverage as a high end safety. He’s not “in the box” or “ballhawk.” He’s both. Versatility is king in 2020. On a side note that’s one of the most underrated aspects of the Bills D. Hyde and Poyer are completely interchangeable. Yes, when they are tackling well. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, FireChans said: Adams is also a superstar. Were the Seahawks going to draft a superstar next year at pick 27? Wilson isn’t old but he may not play til 40. Based on the draft value chart if you combine all of the picks that Seattle gave up it is about the equivalent of the 8th overall pick (assuming they pick where they did this year). If you drafted Jamal Adams at 8 overall you’d pop champagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Based on the draft value chart if you combine all of the picks that Seattle gave up it is about the equivalent of the 8th overall pick (assuming they pick where they did this year). If you drafted Jamal Adams at 8 overall you’d pop champagne. What about if you drafted him at 6? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 The more I think about it, the more I see it as a good trade for both teams. For the Jets, they get two 1sts and a replacement safety in exchange for a player that clearly wasn’t going to re-sign with them. For the Seahawks, they give up essentially two late 1sts — one of which is in what will surely be a bizarre draft next year — for an elite defensive player whose leadership and work ethic will be huge for their young, rebuilt defense. The Jets needed to get rid of a guy that had become a headache for them (by their own doing), the Hawks needed to strike now in their championship window and bolster a defensive unit that sees the Rams, Cards, and 49ers twice each season. Win-win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just now, Logic said: The more I think about it, the more I see it as a good trade for both teams. For the Jets, they get two 1sts and a replacement safety in exchange for a player that clearly wasn’t going to re-sign with them. For the Seahawks, they give up essentially two late 1sts — one of which is in what will surely be a bizarre draft next year — for an elite defensive player whose leadership and work ethic will be huge for their young, rebuilt defense. The Jets needed to get rid of a guy that had become a headache for them (by their own doing), the Hawks needed to strike now in their championship window and bolster a defensive unit that sees the Rams, Cards, and 49ers twice each season. Win-win. This is exactly my take. Good post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Logic said: The more I think about it, the more I see it as a good trade for both teams. For the Jets, they get two 1sts and a replacement safety in exchange for a player that clearly wasn’t going to re-sign with them. For the Seahawks, they give up essentially two late 1sts — one of which is in what will surely be a bizarre draft next year — for an elite defensive player whose leadership and work ethic will be huge for their young, rebuilt defense. The Jets needed to get rid of a guy that had become a headache for them (by their own doing), the Hawks needed to strike now in their championship window and bolster a defensive unit that sees the Rams, Cards, and 49ers twice each season. Win-win. Whose what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Sarcasm was intended. / ahh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: That’s a ridiculously weak argument. Like I’ve said... the Bills had a ridiculously easy schedule last season and beat no one. Defense rests? 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Metcalf and Lockett combined for right around 2,000 yards and 17 TDs. I don’t think Seattle is even a little concerned about their weapons if that’s what you are implying. If not, I apologize for missing the point. No, more that they pale in comparison to KC which was the team the post I responded to mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Defense rests? No, more that they pale in comparison to KC which was the team the post I responded to mentioned. I don’t disagree there. The top of their depth chart is good. Their depth isn’t even okay. That changes drastically though if they add AB and he’s semi-coherent (which is unlikely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Just a few plays... in the 3 games difference between Buffalo beating Dolphins, Bengals, Titans. - Fitz threw a goal line INT - Dalton threw a game ending INT on potential game winning drive - Titans had 2 Touchdowns called back and 4 missed field goals. 7 plays difference between 10-6 and 7-9. Now do three-plays difference between 10-6 and 13-3. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Now do three-plays difference between 10-6 and 13-3. Definitely harder to in Buffalos case. Considering... Hausch makes that kick in Cleveland it only goes to OT same with Allen hitting the Touchdowns against the Ravens or Patriots only guarantee Overtime. so that’s about 20-30 more plays needed to get buffalo to 13-3. Scoring in those overtime’s and or stopping the opponent from also scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Definitely harder to in Buffalos case. Considering... Hausch makes that kick in Cleveland it only goes to OT same with Allen hitting the Touchdowns against the Ravens or Patriots only guarantee Overtime. so that’s about 20-30 more plays needed to get buffalo to 13-3. Scoring in those overtime’s and or stopping the opponent from also scoring. That's why I figured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: Now do three-plays difference between 10-6 and 13-3. Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Definitely harder to in Buffalos case. Considering... Hausch makes that kick in Cleveland it only goes to OT same with Allen hitting the Touchdowns against the Ravens or Patriots only guarantee Overtime. so that’s about 20-30 more plays needed to get buffalo to 13-3. Scoring in those overtime’s and or stopping the opponent from also scoring. Ravens TD on busted coverage and lmfao we lost the Texans game on a fluke bad blindside block call 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: You realize you can do that to every single team in the league? Thats like saying if Pat Mahomes wasn’t good the Chiefs wouldn’t have scored so many touchdowns.?? Go back and read what we were talking about. No need to apologize after either...maybe just think before typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: You have no clue what happens the rest of that game without the strip sack. It’s a ridiculous statement. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 On 7/25/2020 at 6:25 PM, ScottLaw said: That’s a ridiculously weak argument. Like I’ve said... the Bills had a ridiculously easy schedule last season and beat no one. We need to be scoring in the high 20's every week. We do that we should be in the 12-4 range when the dust settles. With the roster we have that is doable. But the big ? is still our leader Josh Allen. He has to make more plays every week. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 He's not which is why he is the perfect coach for the J-e-t-s , jets, jets, jets !! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 What a time to be alive 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Jamal Adams was right about Gase not being the right leader for the Jets, but the same could be said for Jamal Adams. I like Adams as a player but I doubt he’s had as good a game as Maye played in his place. The only good Jet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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