Unpopular takes on TBD

[Happy]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Trent Murphy is a very good football player 

 

Unpopular takes, not 'shroom induced takes.

[thebandit27]

11 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Unpopular takes, not 'shroom induced takes.

The coaching staff of the league’s #2 defense apparently thought enough of him that he played more snaps than any other DE on the team.

[Rocky Landing]

20 minutes ago, folz said:

 

I think most people would agree that Shaq has outplayed Murphy over the last two years overall. But, if we are talking unpopular takes, I think the following is more unpopular:

 

I wonder if maybe it took until midseason of last year for Murphy to get fully healthy. Yes, I know that's 2 full years, and some guys can get back from an ACL in like 8 months. But, Murphy not only had a Grade 3 ACL tear (where it tore completely in half), but he also tore his MCL at the same time. His game really started to pickup around week 6 last year. And in his last six games of the season (including the playoff game), Murphy had 6 sacks, 21 tackles, 8 QB hits, 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery. For comparison, Shaq had 3.5 sacks, 12 tackles, 10 QB hits, 1 forced fumble, over the same six games. Edge to Murphy over that most recent span. 

 

Murphy was actually a beast in the Dallas game, the Pittsburgh game, and the Houston playoff game. Go back and watch the highlights.

These numbers more or less even out when you consider that Murphy got about twice the snaps as Shaq.

[boater]

On 6/20/2020 at 5:42 PM, Golden Goat said:

The Patriots won't be nearly as bad as many are predicting.

Bill > Tom

Truth. It's going to be a tooth and nail fight to win the division. Fasten your seatbelts and pass the TUMS.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

22 hours ago, The Jerk said:

 

Cellino and Barnes: We need a jingle.

 

Jingle Maker: What's the name of your business?

 

Cellino and Barnes: Cellino and Barnes. 

 

Jingle Maker: What business are you in?

 

Ceiling and Barnes: We're injury attorneys.

 

Jingle Maker: What's your phone number?

 

Cellino and Barnes: 888 8888

 

Jingle Maker: I'll see what I can come up with...

Simple = effective 

[KD in CA]

6 hours ago, Nanker said:

The USWNT is more popular than the NFL. 

 

For one week every four years.....yes.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, folz said:

 

I think most people would agree that Shaq has outplayed Murphy over the last two years overall. But, if we are talking unpopular takes, I think the following is more unpopular:

 

I wonder if maybe it took until midseason of last year for Murphy to get fully healthy. Yes, I know that's 2 full years, and some guys can get back from an ACL in like 8 months. But, Murphy not only had a Grade 3 ACL tear (where it tore completely in half), but he also tore his MCL at the same time. His game really started to pickup around week 6 last year. And in his last six games of the season (including the playoff game), Murphy had 6 sacks, 21 tackles, 8 QB hits, 2 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery. For comparison, Shaq had 3.5 sacks, 12 tackles, 10 QB hits, 1 forced fumble, over the same six games. Edge to Murphy over that most recent span. 

 

Murphy was actually a beast in the Dallas game, the Pittsburgh game, and the Houston playoff game. Go back and watch the highlights.

 

 

It was only the last 4 games he did not have a sack (not 8). And yes, 3 of his sacks came against Arizona and 1.5 against Washington. But look at any pass rusher. First, sacks usually come in bunches, and secondly, every great pass rusher feasts on weaker competition (Bruce did it all the time...4-6 sacks per season came in the two games against the lowly Jets). Another for instance, T.J. Watt had 6.5 of his sacks against Cinncinati, Miami, and Cleveland last year. Shaquil Barrett, the sack leader last year got 4 of his sacks against the Giants, 3 against Carolina, 2 against JAX (plus 1 each against Arizona and Detroit). That's 11 of his sacks against "weaker" competition. You could pretty much make that claim about almost any pass rusher. It is kind of par for the course. Now, if Addison wasn't feasting on weaker competition, then I'd be worried.

That’s why it’s called an unpopular opinion. I’m calling for 7 or less which we’d all agree is a little less than expected. 

[stinky finger]

6 hours ago, Talley56 said:

Ranch > Blue cheese

 

Drums > Flats

 

Drums > flats is unpopular? 

[Kirby Jackson]

6 hours ago, Talley56 said:

Ranch > Blue cheese

 

Drums > Flats

You’re a terrorist

[folz]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

These numbers more or less even out when you consider that Murphy got about twice the snaps as Shaq.

 

Yes, that was kind of my original point, not that Murphy was better than Shaq, but just that he was a lot better than people think he was or give him credit for in the second half of last year.

 

But you bring up a good point, I did not equate snap count into the numbers I provided (though it's a bit closer than twice the amount as you guessed). Over each of their last six games (I include Denver for Shaq, but not for Murphy, since Shaq didn't play in the finale against the Jets), Murphy received 66.55% of the snaps to Shaq's 59.56% of the snaps---so Murphy got 6.5 snaps more than Shaq per each game on average, or 39 more snaps total than Shaq over their last six games.

 

If I pro rate Shaq's stats to include 39 more snaps, then that adds to his totals as follows:

.52 sacks

.08 FF

2.6 tackles

1.45 QB hits

 

Which would mean the comparison (taking an even snap count into the picture---as best I can) would be:

Murphy                            Shaq

    6             sacks              4.02

   21           tackles            15

   8             QB hits            11.45

   2                FF                  1.08

   1               FR                    0         

 

So, pretty even in the pass rushing department (overall), with Murphy having an edge in tackles, and a slight edge in turnovers. But the point being that I think a lot of people seem to think that Shaq was the far superior player (and Murphy sucks), but the team got pretty much the same production out of each guy. There was not a drop-off when Murphy was in the game down the stretch.

[JoPoy88]

Probably already said earlier in the thread but: Josh Allen is just okay.

[Talley56]

11 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Drums > flats is unpopular? 

I thought this was extremely unpopular all across Buffalo.  At least that's the feeling I get from the Bills Mafia FB page.

[Doc Brown]

It was a lateral pass.

[stinky finger]

51 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It was a lateral pass.

 

out - GET!  OUT!

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

out - GET!  OUT!

 

That's what my family told me when I threw the remote against the wall after the fascist refs upheld the call on the field.

[machine gun kelly]

They replayed that music city nightmare a couple of Sundays ago on NFLR.  I called in beforehand and spoke with Vic and Marvez.  I told Marvez he was a sadist to all of us Bills fans, and They had quite the laugh From it.  I told him I will not be listening at 4 pm as I’d end up throwing my phone through the wall if I had to listen to that again.

[Halloween Land]

LeSean McCoy was the best running back the Bills ever had! 

[Pete]

3 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

LeSean McCoy was the best running back the Bills ever had! 

Have you ever seen Joe Cribbs play?  OJ?  Marshawn? Rob Riddick? Thurman?  Cookie?

 

the Bills have had plenty of talent holes historically at many positions- RB is not one.

 

 I am guessing you are either under 20 or Shady’s cousin

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Pete said:

Have you ever seen Joe Cribbs play?  OJ?  Marshawn? Rob Riddick? Thurman?  Cookie?

 

the Bills have had plenty of talent holes historically at many positions- RB is not one.

 

 I am guessing you are either under 20 or Shady’s cousin

Why come into a thread titled “unpopular opinion” and take offense to someone else’s “unpopular opinion?” 

[Rico]

22 hours ago, Talley56 said:

Ranch > Blue cheese

 

Drums > Flats

Boneless > Drums and Flats

[Happy]

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

Boneless > Drums and Flats

 

Now you've gone too far.  Boneless sucks.  I would take flats over boneless, and would even take blue cheese over boneless.

[Dukestreetking]

Epstein did kill himself.

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Now you've gone too far.  Boneless sucks.  I would take flats over boneless, and would even take blue cheese over boneless.

Also, any food that has onions in it where it isn’t fully dissolved to where you can’t taste them is unacceptable. God forbid you actually crunch into one. 

[Pete]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Why come into a thread titled “unpopular opinion” and take offense to someone else’s “unpopular opinion?” 

No offense taken.  I’m about to go medieval on whomever said ranch>blue cheese

[Rico]

Stones > Beatles

[Happy]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

No offense taken.  I’m about to go medieval on whomever said ranch>blue cheese

 

Ranch is better than blue cheese.  The only place blue cheese and wings are a thing is in Buffalo.  Outside of that, it's simply personal preference.  I suppose that can be an unpopular take.

[Pete]

Steaming pile of *****>ranch

[Mountain Man]

Duke Williams is not going to be in the Hall of Fame. 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Halloween Land said:

LeSean McCoy was the best running back the Bills ever had! 

I can give you the number for the witness protection program.

[Doc Brown]

46 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

Ranch is better than blue cheese.  The only place blue cheese and wings are a thing is in Buffalo.  Outside of that, it's simply personal preference.  I suppose that can be an unpopular take.

That's because the blue cheese you get at most Buffalo pizza places is a lot better than blue cheese salad dressing bottles you buy at the grocery store for whatever reason.  The blue cheese tastes better in gallon containers maybe or home made.  I'm not sure Rootie's blue cheese is available across the country.

[Happy]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

That's because the blue cheese you get at most Buffalo pizza places is a lot better than blue cheese salad dressing bottles you buy at the grocery store for whatever reason.  The blue cheese tastes better in gallon containers maybe or home made.  I'm not sure Rootie's blue cheese is available across the country.

 

I've never heard of Rootie's blue cheese dressing, even when I lived in the Southern Tier.  The only blue cheese I can get is Wish Bone, Ken's, Kraft, and some big grocery store chain's brand name.  Plus the blue cheese I've had in restaurants isn't any good, either.

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Happy said:

 

I've never heard of Rootie's blue cheese dressing, even when I lived in the Southern Tier.  The only blue cheese I can get is Wish Bone, Ken's, Kraft, and some big grocery store chain's brand name.  Plus the blue cheese I've had in restaurants isn't any good, either.

Did you live there for like a week?

[section122]

1.  Still the president of the Jordan Phillips fan club.  His loss will be felt as he was an emotional leader on the team.  Getting guys fired up is an important role on any team and he did it as well as anyone.  He was also a productive pass rusher yet somehow a high conversion rate of pressures to sacks has been spun as a bad thing.

 

2.  I would have preferred Lawson at his salary to Addison at his.  I don't really buy into the Carolina thing but this and the Butler signings got me wavering.  Lawson was another rah rah guy who was drafted and developed.  He improved each year and we let him go to a division rival no less.

 

3.  Josh's lateral in the playoff game wasn't the terrible play it gets made out to be.  It wasn't the moment being too big.  It was Josh trying to do to much and make a play.  If he did make that lateral successfully, the Bills win and that play is replayed constantly.

 

4.  Josh was clearly concussed in the playoff game.  3 blockers, a clear lane to at least fg range and all 3 guys blew it allowing Josh to get blown up.

 

5. old one but I will never not argue this.  The loss to the Steelers' 3rd stringers was actually a loss to a lot of guys who led them to a sb win a few years later.  James Harrison and Willie Parker both had great games as unknown players.

 

6. Rob Johnson left the field with  the lead.  That loss is not on him or the decision to start him regardless of who made the call.

 

7.  Marv Levy blew the end of sb 25.  that kick was out of Norwood's range and he wasted time at the end of the game where they could have gotten closer.

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Did you live there for like a week?

 

In the Southern Tier (Binghamton area)?  No, I was born, raised, and graduated high school.  I never lived in Buffalo, if that is what you're asking.  People in Binghamton like wings, but there is not this odd penchant for blue cheese.  Some people like blue cheese, others prefer ranch.  I never found that having ranch on buffalo wings was odd, but actually preferred it.

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

In the Southern Tier (Binghamton area)?  No, I was born, raised, and graduated high school.  I never lived in Buffalo, if that is what you're asking.  People in Binghamton like wings, but there is not this odd penchant for blue cheese.  Some people like blue cheese, others prefer ranch.  I never found that having ranch on buffalo wings was odd, but actually preferred it.

Hmmm....interesting.  I still can't get it out of my head you never heard of Rooties.  Were you born with a taste disorder or experience recurrent upper respiratory infections or middle ear infections?

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, section122 said:

1.  Still the president of the Jordan Phillips fan club.  His loss will be felt as he was an emotional leader on the team.  Getting guys fired up is an important role on any team and he did it as well as anyone.  He was also a productive pass rusher yet somehow a high conversion rate of pressures to sacks has been spun as a bad thing.

 

2.  I would have preferred Lawson at his salary to Addison at his.  I don't really buy into the Carolina thing but this and the Butler signings got me wavering.  Lawson was another rah rah guy who was drafted and developed.  He improved each year and we let him go to a division rival no less.

 

3.  Josh's lateral in the playoff game wasn't the terrible play it gets made out to be.  It wasn't the moment being too big.  It was Josh trying to do to much and make a play.  If he did make that lateral successfully, the Bills win and that play is replayed constantly.

 

4.  Josh was clearly concussed in the playoff game.  3 blockers, a clear lane to at least fg range and all 3 guys blew it allowing Josh to get blown up.

 

5. old one but I will never not argue this.  The loss to the Steelers' 3rd stringers was actually a loss to a lot of guys who led them to a sb win a few years later.  James Harrison and Willie Parker both had great games as unknown players.

 

6. Rob Johnson left the field with  the lead.  That loss is not on him or the decision to start him regardless of who made the call.

 

7.  Marv Levy blew the end of sb 25.  that kick was out of Norwood's range and he wasted time at the end of the game where they could have gotten closer.

I agree with #3-7.  
 

1-  The reason a high sack conversion rate is seen as a bad thing is because it means he has little to no pressures. A pressure that doesn’t lead to a sack, but leads to a TO on downs or TO is just as good as a sack in most cases.  He just didn’t make very plays imo.  
 

2-  I think Addison is a better fit for this team based on our current DL.  
 

7- I didn’t even watch the kick.  When I saw Norwood run into the field I ran into my room and cried.  Seconds later I hear my pops erupt like a volcano. 8 seconds left.  My 15 year old self was praying that we’d throw a quick out or quick dump off to Thurman to get oob with 1 second left.  Risky with 8 seconds but Norwood kicking a 47 yard FG was riskier

[Happy]

30 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Hmmm....interesting.  I still can't get it out of my head you never heard of Rooties.  Were you born with a taste disorder or experience recurrent upper respiratory infections or middle ear infections?

 

None of those.  Ranch and wings are like bread is to a sandwich.

[thenorthremembers]

I dont care for ranch or bleu cheese on my wings.  Wings already have sauce on them, its redundant.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, Happy said:

 

Ranch is better than blue cheese.  The only place blue cheese and wings are a thing is in Buffalo.  Outside of that, it's simply personal preference.  I suppose that can be an unpopular take.

 

Not true

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

1.  Still the president of the Jordan Phillips fan club.  His loss will be felt as he was an emotional leader on the team.  Getting guys fired up is an important role on any team and he did it as well as anyone.  He was also a productive pass rusher yet somehow a high conversion rate of pressures to sacks has been spun as a bad thing.

 

2.  I would have preferred Lawson at his salary to Addison at his.  I don't really buy into the Carolina thing but this and the Butler signings got me wavering.  Lawson was another rah rah guy who was drafted and developed.  He improved each year and we let him go to a division rival no less.

 

3.  Josh's lateral in the playoff game wasn't the terrible play it gets made out to be.  It wasn't the moment being too big.  It was Josh trying to do to much and make a play.  If he did make that lateral successfully, the Bills win and that play is replayed constantly.

 

4.  Josh was clearly concussed in the playoff game.  3 blockers, a clear lane to at least fg range and all 3 guys blew it allowing Josh to get blown up.

 

5. old one but I will never not argue this.  The loss to the Steelers' 3rd stringers was actually a loss to a lot of guys who led them to a sb win a few years later.  James Harrison and Willie Parker both had great games as unknown players.

 

6. Rob Johnson left the field with  the lead.  That loss is not on him or the decision to start him regardless of who made the call.

 

7.  Marv Levy blew the end of sb 25.  that kick was out of Norwood's range and he wasted time at the end of the game where they could have gotten closer.

 

 

I will agree to most of these, not so sure of Josh was in fact concussed at the end of the Houston game but it would makes sense and explain a lot.  I really agree with #s 1. 2, 3, 6 & 7.