eball Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Read that interesting tidbit in an article on the front page this morning. Players talking about how detailed and knowledgeable Webb is in multiple offenses, and how he basically organized and ran the practices. We might have a dark horse candidate for backup QB who was already on the roster. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumaro02 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It speaks to the argument he may one day be headed to the coaching ranks. It also allowed Josh who organized the workouts to concentrate on running the plays correctly and teaching Diggs and the rooks exactly what he wanted done. It was also nice to see Smoke and Beasley to help Diggs. Kudos to Webb. Backup QB will be real interesting. I wonder if Fromm had a conventional off season if he had a real chance of supplanting Barkley but with the strange off season its hard to see that. Then what does that mean for Webb? Will they keep Fromm on the 53 and keep Webb on the practice squad? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, tumaro02 said: It speaks to the argument he may one day be headed to the coaching ranks. It also allowed Josh who organized the workouts to concentrate on running the plays correctly and teaching Diggs and the rooks exactly what he wanted done. It was also nice to see Smoke and Beasley to help Diggs. Kudos to Webb. Backup QB will be real interesting. I wonder if Fromm had a conventional off season if he had a real chance of supplanting Barkley but with the strange off season its hard to see that. Then what does that mean for Webb? Will they keep Fromm on the 53 and keep Webb on the practice squad? New England will sign Webb. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 Good points, @tumaro02 — and to clarify for others who may not know, Josh “organized” the workouts (I.e., invited everyone and got them all at the same hotel, etc.) but it is Webb who is “running” the practices. The quotes were about how disciplined things were being run, which is awesome. I also liked that they made sure every time Diggs was running a route Josh was the QB, even if it was not during his designated “turn” in the rotation. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Hes a Cal grad after all. Heard Beane in an interview after the draft and was praising Davis Webb for his smarts, professionalism and the support he gives Josh Allen every week.Its going to be a tough call for the Backup QB cuts. Cant believe we even talking about a tough QB cut in training camp. Such a good feeling that we have our franchise guy and 3 solid backups with promise. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Hes a Cal grad after all. Heard Beane in an interview after the draft and was praising Davis Webb for his smarts, professionalism and the support he gives Josh Allen every week.Its going to be a tough call for the Backup QB cuts. Cant believe we even talking about a tough QB cut in training camp. Such a good feeling that we have our franchise guy and 3 solid backups with promise. I don’t think I’d say Barkley “has promise” but Webb and Fromm certainly do. The tough call for McD and Beane is because Barkley and Josh are clearly very good friends. It remains to be seen just what they value in the QB room the most but if Webb and Fromm are just as much “good guys” as Barkley we could see a change. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: I don’t think I’d say Barkley “has promise” but Webb and Fromm certainly do. The tough call for McD and Beane is because Barkley and Josh are clearly very good friends. It remains to be seen just what they value in the QB room the most but if Webb and Fromm are just as much “good guys” as Barkley we could see a change. Yeah i agree with Barkley, not a whole lot of promise but he is still fairly young, extremely smart guy and he is great friends with josh off the field. they are always together. Is Webb eligible for the practice roster? Jake Fromm wont last a second if we waive him and attempt to sing him on the practice roster. Should be an exciting battle for backup QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Webb being a good organizer and a good "coach" does not equal him being a good NFL QB. Let us not be too quick to take that leap. He needs to have the talent and tools to be a good NFL QB as well. Being a good player and a good coach are two very different skill sets. Being a good coach candidate and being a good QB candidte are two different paths. Both are yet TBD on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I wonder how much the coaching staff was actually in on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 This is a revelation. A process guy for sure. You know how McDermott and Beane love "Smart, Humble, and Passionate" teammates (Lencioni, The Ideal Team Player). #1 backup, or soon-to-be Assistant QB Coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Simple, good point and Alex Van Pelt is another example of that point. He’s turned out to be a good coach, but no so much an NFL QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 36 minutes ago, wppete said: Yeah i agree with Barkley, not a whole lot of promise but he is still fairly young, extremely smart guy and he is great friends with josh off the field. they are always together. Is Webb eligible for the practice roster? Jake Fromm wont last a second if we waive him and attempt to sing him on the practice roster. Should be an exciting battle for backup QB. You keep Barkley and Fromm, Webb is out.... Josh Allen was noticeably better after we signed Matt Barkley. Barkley has been in the league 7 or 8 years now and has lots of experience which Webb and Fromm have none of. I think Barkley could have been a good starter in the league if he had a better arm... Anyways, you keep Barkley around to mentor Fromm and to backup Josh if he goes down. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: You keep Barkley and Fromm, Webb is out.... Josh Allen was noticeably better after we signed Matt Barkley. Barkley has been in the league 7 or 8 years now and has lots of experience which Webb and Fromm have none of. I think Barkley could have been a good starter in the league if he had a better arm... Anyways, you keep Barkley around to mentor Fromm and to backup Josh if he goes down. I like it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 It’s not like Barkley is some entrenched guy. Throw Frohm into the mix and There is a good chance Barkley won’t make the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: I wonder how much the coaching staff was actually in on this. I’ll bet SM is running practices thru Webb, and giving them specific things to work on, jmo. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Barkley’s start was so bad last year there is a chance he will be always be available even if he’s not on the 53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Is he showing Josh the Davis Webb package? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Barkley is no world-beater. And the Bills had Ken Dorsey as QB coach. If they can upgrade Barkley, do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElMarko Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Anyone else notice the giant Popeye-like forearms on Barkley in that group photo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ElMarko said: Anyone else notice the giant Popeye-like forearms on Barkley in that group photo? I yam what i yam... Edited May 31, 2020 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Charles Romes said: Barkley’s start was so bad last year there is a chance he will be always be available even if he’s not on the 53. Wasn’t Barkley a FA pickup mid season in 2018? Nice to hear about Webb. I think he sticks to the practice squad, or maybe the third qb if the staff decides to keep 3. I have a feeling McDermott is going to love Fromm. I also would rather have Fromm as the backup if they only keep 2 quarterbacks. Fromm has one of his best seasons as a true freshman at UGA. Came in for Jacob Eason and never gave the job back. Fromm is built for the backup role. Cool under pressure, limited talent, but smart and likable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: I wonder how much the coaching staff was actually in on this. They aren’t allowed to be so I’d say none. These guys have mostly been in the system and are pros. They know how to work on their own. That’s the expectation these days. It used to be you come to training camp to get in shape to play. Now you come to training camp ready to play. 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I’ll bet SM is running practices thru Webb, and giving them specific things to work on, jmo. Go Bills!!! I wouldn’t be so confident in that. If that ever comes out you are violating the CBA. Teams don’t do that. The players have the playbooks and know the expectation. They don’t need a coaching staff to run routes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) I live an hour and 15 mins from Met life stadium. This guy (Webb) just flat out never got a look and it was completely puzzling to Giant fans. Eli was done for the last 3 or 4 years but the team just refused to offend him by ever taking him out. Even in lost seasons, they kept trotting out the guy just to appease his ego. Webb was a guy that a lot of fans and even some of the media, were clamoring for. He certainly has potential and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he could play. I think now thought, you are running into the Fromm deal. This staff absolutely loves the guys they draft and if history taught us anything...the guys they draft WILL play. I got to believe the backup job is borderline Fromm's for good. Edited May 31, 2020 by Brianmoorman4jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They aren’t allowed to be so I’d say none. These guys have mostly been in the system and are pros. They know how to work on their own. That’s the expectation these days. It used to be you come to training camp to get in shape to play. Now you come to training camp ready to play. I wouldn’t be so confident in that. If that ever comes out you are violating the CBA. Teams don’t do that. The players have the playbooks and know the expectation. They don’t need a coaching staff to run routes. I understand the CBA limits, I still would not be surprised if something like a a modification to the playbook, Emailed to their I pads without incriminating verbiage etc etc... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They aren’t allowed to be so I’d say none. These guys have mostly been in the system and are pros. They know how to work on their own. That’s the expectation these days. It used to be you come to training camp to get in shape to play. Now you come to training camp ready to play. I wouldn’t be so confident in that. If that ever comes out you are violating the CBA. Teams don’t do that. The players have the playbooks and know the expectation. They don’t need a coaching staff to run routes. McDermott wouldnt. I could see Daboll though trying to “face time them with his fat face” while they are there so he can watch the drills. I can’t remember which player made that comment about Daboll last year ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: I’ll bet SM is running practices thru Webb, and giving them specific things to work on, jmo. Go Bills!!! I don’t think so in any direct way. I am sure SM gave them all specific things to work on and most likely a bunch of plays that they need, but my guess is Webb in working with Josh and Matt is running the workout based upon the plays and plans given and then their own take to have fun. I think they are running it how they want, but using the specifics given to them in the off-season planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I understand the CBA limits, I still would not be surprised if something like a a modification to the playbook, Emailed to their I pads without incriminating verbiage etc etc... 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: McDermott wouldnt. I could see Daboll though trying to “face time them with his fat face” while they are there so he can watch the drills. I can’t remember which player made that comment about Daboll last year ? Just don’t think that the juice is worth the squeeze. The players don’t need to involve the coaches to run passing drills. If they can’t handle that as pros we have a bigger problem. These QBs have been in the system for a few years. They know the plays. Based on all of the videos though it was just passing drills. The receivers run the route tree while the QBs throw the route tree. It’s much more of a light workout than a football practice. This isn’t when they are installing offense. Just throwing and catching. Teams though do these kinds of things every offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 hours ago, wppete said: Hes a Cal grad after all. Heard Beane in an interview after the draft and was praising Davis Webb for his smarts, professionalism and the support he gives Josh Allen every week.Its going to be a tough call for the Backup QB cuts. Cant believe we even talking about a tough QB cut in training camp. Such a good feeling that we have our franchise guy and 3 solid backups with promise. He also grew up in Dallas and was a big Stars fan when they won the cup against the Sabres. He thinks "No Goal" was a good goal. Boo that man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Let Webb and Barkley light it up in preseason and trade them for a 6th and a 6th just before the season starts. The Beane way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I understand the CBA limits, I still would not be surprised if something like a a modification to the playbook, Emailed to their I pads without incriminating verbiage etc etc... 1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said: I don’t think so in any direct way. I am sure SM gave them all specific things to work on and most likely a bunch of plays that they need, but my guess is Webb in working with Josh and Matt is running the workout based upon the plays and plans given and then their own take to have fun. I think they are running it how they want, but using the specifics given to them in the off-season planning. I agree with both of you guys. I would be amazed if teams don't have a section of the team tablet with "suggestions" on off season training, workouts, diet, etc along with a "how to" section for group workouts. None of this would go against the CBA rules. Plus these guys have been through training camps and practices to know how it's done. It even makes the rumors of Webb running the sessions even more likely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I agree with both of you guys. I would be amazed if teams don't have a section of the team tablet with "suggestions" on off season training, workouts, diet, etc along with a "how to" section for group workouts. None of this would go against the CBA rules. Plus these guys have been through training camps and practices to know how it's done. It even makes the rumors of Webb running the sessions even more likely. They are allowed to work with the strength and conditioning team and the medical team. Just not the coaches. Anyone who thinks that THIS staff is breaking the rules of the CBA are nuts. They are like boy scouts, and it would be incredibly stupid of them because it isn't even remotely worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, MJS said: They are allowed to work with the strength and conditioning team and the medical team. Just not the coaches. Anyone who thinks that THIS staff is breaking the rules of the CBA are nuts. They are like boy scouts, and it would be incredibly stupid of them because it isn't even remotely worth it. They could be. How could anyone really prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Nobody’s trading anything for Barkley.? The opinion of Barkley seems to be diminishing by the hour with some fans. Not saying he's a good backup, but it's not like he's the worst QB in the history of the game or anything. Last year fans were pretty happy to go into the season with Allen and Barkley as the QB's. Fans saw Barkley come in and beat the Jets. If Beane can get draft capital for AJ McCarron, he might be able to for Barkley. 2 minutes ago, Doc said: They could be. How could anyone really prove it? All it takes is a player or two complaining to the player's association. Everything is virtual so there is a virtual trail. If the coaches are sending them things on their tablets or phones that would be evidence. There's a million ways they can get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Nobody’s trading anything for Barkley.? Never underestimate the stupidity of “ smart” people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, MJS said: All it takes is a player or two complaining to the player's association. Everything is virtual so there is a virtual trail. If the coaches are sending them things on their tablets or phones that would be evidence. There's a million ways they can get caught. I think they could just run it all through Webb, who they could have, say, promised a PS spot at least. Players showing up is voluntary and no one would have to be the wiser. Edited May 31, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, MJS said: They are allowed to work with the strength and conditioning team and the medical team. Just not the coaches. Anyone who thinks that THIS staff is breaking the rules of the CBA are nuts. They are like boy scouts, and it would be incredibly stupid of them because it isn't even remotely worth it. I'll type slow so all can hear what I'm saying. I'm not saying the coaches are watching and talking to the guys while they practice. I am saying that what they are doing (the same stuff as in practice) is known to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, MJS said: All it takes is a player or two complaining to the player's association. Everything is virtual so there is a virtual trail. If the coaches are sending them things on their tablets or phones that would be evidence. There's a million ways they can get caught. Not being naive or homer-ish but this team doesn’t show any signs of player vs coach strife. The Bills seem like a “ team” in the sense of the SuperBowl era where everyone is on the same page. My original question wasn’t suggesting anything more than a “ check in” between Webb and Roman and/ or a position coach or two. A quick chat without a bunch of specificity. I would be Shocked if anyone at these workouts narced out a coach. I can clearly imagine Allen or Webb reminding everyone to keep it on the down low if any coach input was discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Honestly, the coaches have nothing to do with these workouts. These guys are professionals. They work at their craft. I’ve been working from home for almost the last 3 months. No one has to call me to tell me what to do. I understand the expectation of my job. I understand how to do the job. This is no different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Honestly, the coaches have nothing to do with these workouts. These guys are professionals. They work at their craft. I’ve been working from home for almost the last 3 months. No one has to call me to tell me what to do. I understand the expectation of my job. I understand how to do the job. This is no different. Exactly Kirby, they are doing the exact drills they have done at OTAs and TC a hundred times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Not being naive or homer-ish but this team doesn’t show any signs of player vs coach strife. The Bills seem like a “ team” in the sense of the SuperBowl era where everyone is on the same page. My original question wasn’t suggesting anything more than a “ check in” between Webb and Roman and/ or a position coach or two. A quick chat without a bunch of specificity. I would be Shocked if anyone at these workouts narced out a coach. I can clearly imagine Allen or Webb reminding everyone to keep it on the down low if any coach input was discussed. Out of curiosity what specifically do you think that the coaches could contribute to this that the player’s couldn’t handle on their own? They are running routes and throwing to them. There are 9 routes in the route tree and then 2 or 3 others that can be incorporated. It’s not like it’s complicated. They weren’t out there doing route combinations or playing against defenses or anything. They are running those 9 routes vs. air and the QBs are throwing them the ball. You don’t need coaches for that. You certainly don’t need them with the threat of a CBA violation penalty. Teams have been running these QB passing drills in the offseason for as long as I can remember. This isn’t unique to us or now. It’s everyone doing it. With that being said I could absolutely see the value in having a trainer on hand. If someone tweaks a hamstring or something you’d want to start working on it. You want to make sure that they are taped, etc... Edited May 31, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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