Dallas 175 million 5 year offer to Prescott

[Gugny]

36 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Sorry dude, an NFL QB being asked to pass is only “setting them up for failure” if the QB blows it.

 

I don’t care if you blame Daboll or not, but Allen blew it. Indisputably.

 

I totally get that argument.  I really do.  With an NFL QB, the OC should be able to call passing plays and have said plays executed.  

 

I will not deny that Josh sucked down the stretch in that game.

 

The best comparison I can make to help exemplify my feelings is the late-game play-calling by Atlanta in the ATL/NE Super Bowl.  I'm pretty sure most will agree that their arrogance and rigidity to "keep doing what got them there," (a lot of passing) killed them.  The Falcons were absolutely stupid to keep passing the ball and, because they did, Murphy's Law kicked them in the nuts.

 

I feel the same way about the HOU playoff game.  Should they be able to call those plays without concern?  YES.  But with a 2nd year NFL who struggles with consistency and fumbles .... WHY push the envelope with a late-game lead??  That's my beef.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Gugny

[GoBills808]

Prescott to sign the franchise tag per ESPN today

 

fwiw

[Don Otreply]

Hope he turns them down, just sayin...

 

Go Bills!!!

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Dak plays great vs teams with losing records and average/poor vs teams with winning records. I can’t believe Dallas is going to give him that contract. It will be fun watching that team implode from the salary cap going down instead of up in the next two years. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Prescott to sign the franchise tag per ESPN today

 

fwiw

I still say they trade him after the seasons end. They’re already paying 100 million for cooper which he’s not worth and they’re paying Elliott close to a 100 million and now they want to pay Prescott over 100-200 million? Yeah that’s not happening lol

[purple haze]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I still say they trade him after the seasons end. They’re already paying 100 million for cooper which he’s not worth and they’re paying Elliott close to a 100 million and now they want to pay Prescott over 100-200 million? Yeah that’s not happening lol

They can pay all of them. But it will start to show on the defensive side of the ball and overall team depth.  I'm not sure they can trade Prescott and get the value they would most likely want.  And they don't have a better option waiting in the wings.  Dalton has proven to only get a team to a certain level.  Paying Cooper and Elliott is a waste if they don't sign Prescott back.  They won't be bad enough to get a perceived top QB in the draft.  Jerry effed this one up.  

[Don Otreply]

Frankly, Dak is not likely to be any better than he has shown, the word “plateaued” comes to mind, he’s good but not real good. Paying him that kind of money is a waste of your number one resource,  ?  ? 

 

 

[JoPoy88]

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Frankly, Dak is not likely to be any better than he has shown, the word “plateaued” comes to mind, he’s good but not real good. Paying him that kind of money is a waste of your number one resource,  ?  ? 

 

 

true, but just “good” gets you paid nowadays if you’re a QB. Look at tannehill or cousins.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

true, but just “good” gets you paid nowadays if you’re a QB. Look at tannehill or cousins.

And Dak’s most recent year was his best. It’s certainly possible he takes another small step forward. He’s a top 10ish QB now. I don’t think that he ever gets to top 5 because he’s a little limited physically but he’s good. If you have a good QB you should take care of him.

[BuffaloBills1998]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

They can pay all of them. But it will start to show on the defensive side of the ball and overall team depth.  I'm not sure they can trade Prescott and get the value they would most likely want.  And they don't have a better option waiting in the wings.  Dalton has proven to only get a team to a certain level.  Paying Cooper and Elliott is a waste if they don't sign Prescott back.  They won't be bad enough to get a perceived top QB in the draft.  Jerry effed this one up.  

Except like Dalton, Prescott has also showed he can only get so far. Dak is not worth what he’s asking for. He’s done nothing to deserve that kind of contract. Dallas is Elliott’s team not Prescott’s. Prescott to me is just a better version of Tyrod Taylor. You cave in and pay Prescott what he wants, then say goodbye to any chance of getting a super bowl

30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

And Dak’s most recent year was his best. It’s certainly possible he takes another small step forward. He’s a top 10ish QB now. I don’t think that he ever gets to top 5 because he’s a little limited physically but he’s good. If you have a good QB you should take care of him.

But they won’t be able to if Jones pays him what he wants. That team financially will fall apart 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Except like Dalton, Prescott has also showed he can only get so far. Dak is not worth what he’s asking for. He’s done nothing to deserve that kind of contract. Dallas is Elliott’s team not Prescott’s. Prescott to me is just a better version of Tyrod Taylor. You cave in and pay Prescott what he wants, then say goodbye to any chance of getting a super bowl

But they won’t be able to if Jones pays him what he wants. That team financially will fall apart 

They’ll have something like 9 of their best 10 players under contract for at least 3 years. The Cowboys can do it easily and have the rest of the core guys locked up long term (Martin, T Smith, Zeke, Cooper, Lawrence, J Smith, Lamb, Gallup, etc...). The Cowboys went a different route than everyone else and signed the roster before the QB. 

[Don Otreply]

46 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

true, but just “good” gets you paid nowadays if you’re a QB. Look at tannehill or cousins.

You’re right of course, oh well, I’ve no dog in that fight, so I guess it really doesn’t matter. 

[Saint Doug]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Prescott to sign the franchise tag per ESPN today

 

fwiw

Not a shock with the whole season in doubt. He was never going to get the money he was asking for. The question is, if he doesn’t play a game in 2020, will he still get paid?

[Billl]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Frankly, Dak is not likely to be any better than he has shown, the word “plateaued” comes to mind, he’s good but not real good. Paying him that kind of money is a waste of your number one resource,  ?  ? 

 

 

How did he plateau when last season he had far and away the best season of his career?

[JetsFan20]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

true, but just “good” gets you paid nowadays if you’re a QB. Look at tannehill or cousins.

Competent QB play is not easy to find. Ask the Jets, Bills, Dolphins. 

[Richard Noggin]

What about the facts--that Prescott's numbers over the past two seasons are STRONG and also that his overall production improved considerably LAST season--gives people here so much pause? Is it really just that the young, media-derided QB of the Bills went into Dallas on national holiday TV and had an efficient, effective, WINNING game with a signature play or two? 

 

Prescott didn't play poorly in that game at all, and was in fact far MORE productive. I think his stat-line for that game would give thirsty Bills fans chubbies for days.

 

So what is it? Why not Prescott? 

 

(I know his team hasn't won anything forever. What else?)

[StHustle]

Some TERRIBLE takes on Dak in here. Do you guys actually watch him play? He is better than any QB the bills had the past 20 years INCLUDING Josh Allen (hopefully Josh passes him this year) But no way do you let a QB that good walk nor do you trade him. They could EASILY go a decade before getting another QB ass good or better...

[JoPoy88]

2 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

Competent QB play is not easy to find. Ask the Jets, Bills, Dolphins. 

Please dont loop us into your interception machine guy. 

[BeastMaster]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

What about the facts--that Prescott's numbers over the past two seasons are STRONG and also that his overall production improved considerably LAST season--gives people here so much pause? Is it really just that the young, media-derided QB of the Bills went into Dallas on national holiday TV and had an efficient, effective, WINNING game with a signature play or two? 

 

Prescott didn't play poorly in that game at all, and was in fact far MORE productive. I think his stat-line for that game would give thirsty Bills fans chubbies for days.

 

So what is it? Why not Prescott? 

 

(I know his team hasn't won anything forever. What else?)

Dak did what he usually does and padded his stats late when game was already decided.

 

He was not good whatsoever in that game

[Don Otreply]

9 hours ago, Billl said:

How did he plateau when last season he had far and away the best season of his career?

Best season? The team didn’t make the playoffs, padded stats on an, what, 8 win season is his best? Not  so much, individual stats don’t mean much under that umbrella. 
 

Look at the “talent” on that team, that’s a bunch of under achievers. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Mr. WEO]

Jones screwed this up.  Never should have paid Cooper.

[Plano]

LOL he sucks he is not worth this money, for the last time.

 

He's worth about 50k and an unlimited car wash package. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

Just goes to show,  a slightly above average QB, who has accomplished very little,  gets ridiculous money. The Buffalo defense made him look like Peterman Thanksgiving day. Every QB in the AFC east will be as good or probably better. 

[Kirby Jackson]

56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Jones screwed this up.  Never should have paid Cooper.

This is where they dropped the ball. I’d bet if they knew they could get Lamb they would have never paid Cooper. They can certainly afford Dak but he needed to be the priority.

[purple haze]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Except like Dalton, Prescott has also showed he can only get so far. Dak is not worth what he’s asking for. He’s done nothing to deserve that kind of contract. Dallas is Elliott’s team not Prescott’s. Prescott to me is just a better version of Tyrod Taylor. You cave in and pay Prescott what he wants, then say goodbye to any chance of getting a super bowl

But they won’t be able to if Jones pays him what he wants. That team financially will fall apart 

Prescott is younger than Dalton and still can grow.  He's better than Tyrod too.  No QB is "worth" what Prescott will get, but that's business in the NFL.  Next QB up gets paid.  Mahomes will get paid more and on and on.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is where they dropped the ball. I’d bet if they knew they could get Lamb they would have never paid Cooper. They can certainly afford Dak but he needed to be the priority.

 

You never lock up a WR when your franchise QB is due. You franchise a guy like Cooper all day long. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

You never lock up a WR when your franchise QB is due. You franchise a guy like Cooper all day long. 

And you certainly don't pay an RB first. Like, ever imo

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

And you certainly don't pay an RB first. Like, ever imo

 

 

I'd pay Elliot before Cooper.  He's more valuable to the team.  

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Jones screwed this up.  Never should have paid Cooper.

No doubt.  That might be the worst contract in football considering the cowboys situation.  

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No doubt.  That might be the worst contract in football considering the cowboys situation.  

 

 

And now he's untradeable.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

And now he's untradeable.

And we couldn’t be happier!!  
 

although I am quite PO’d that Lamb fell into their lap.  He was my favorite player in the draft. 

[Mr. WEO]

Has Chris Simms weighed in on this yet....other than to say that maybe Taysom Hill is the better of the 2?

[Plano]

I'll say it again.

 

DAK IS NOT GOOD.

 

Dallas is the laughing stock of the NFL for even entertaining his "demands" and offering him this.

 

He is also a complete moron for turning this down. Especially in this time, when he likely isn't even going to play this year, can get paid to sit at home at this crazy rate.

 

But nah, he's going to turn it down and expect better elsewhere. GTFO

[Kirby Jackson]

41 minutes ago, Plano said:

I'll say it again.

 

DAK IS NOT GOOD.

 

Dallas is the laughing stock of the NFL for even entertaining his "demands" and offering him this.

 

He is also a complete moron for turning this down. Especially in this time, when he likely isn't even going to play this year, can get paid to sit at home at this crazy rate.

 

But nah, he's going to turn it down and expect better elsewhere. GTFO

Just because you yell it doesn’t make it true. Dak is definitely good. That’s not even up for debate. Is Dak great? Can Dak become great? Those are different questions. 

[billsfan89]

On 6/22/2020 at 6:30 AM, Hampton Josh fan said:

Just goes to show,  a slightly above average QB, who has accomplished very little,  gets ridiculous money. The Buffalo defense made him look like Peterman Thanksgiving day. Every QB in the AFC east will be as good or probably better. 

 

I wouldn't say he looked like Peterman but Dak looked subpar against top defenses. If you are paying Dak you are paying him on speculation that he will improve his quality of play. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

56 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I wouldn't say he looked like Peterman but Dak looked subpar against top defenses. If you are paying Dak you are paying him on speculation that he will improve his quality of play. 

I guess in the  environment we have, if you believe a guy has a high ceiling, you have to retain him. That's why I'm rooting so hard for Josh. It's painful to start the process again if you're a team that's 9and 7 or 8and8. You're drafting to late to get an elite talent. Plus that scenario is a coach killer. 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

I guess in the  environment we have, if you believe a guy has a high ceiling, you have to retain him. That's why I'm rooting so hard for Josh. It's painful to start the process again if you're a team that's 9and 7 or 8and8. You're drafting to late to get an elite talent. Plus that scenario is a coach killer. 

 

The issue is that it is a big risk to take a chance paying an above average but not quite elite QB top 3-4 money at the biggest money positions. That means you aren't getting top 7-8 play at the most key position and you are paying him a kings ransom which surrounds him with less talent and pretty much sticks you are a 8-8ish level for years to come. I doubt the Redskins regret not paying Kirk Cousins a big contract. But I do think that the Jaguars regret handing Bortles a big contract and I think the Dolphins regret paying Tanny a big contract too (And I think the Titans will regret handing him one too.) I also think that the Rams are starting to worry about that Goff extension (although I think he can still pan out it is crippling that team.) 

 

I think it is much more frequently that teams regret handing less than proven QB's big contracts based on speculation. Yes some teams luck out and lock in a Russell Wilson on a good deal as he outperforms his previously big contract (Which is made even more of a deal as the cap goes up.) However I think the outcome is far more likely to be that a team regrets their big QB contract than loves it. 

 

I guess my point is that if you have a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers type QB who is consistently a top 5-6ish QB pay them. Even a consistently proven top 10 QB over 3 seasons like Matt Ryan is worth big money (the positional advantage is far too great even for a guy in the 8-10 range.) But if you have a guy like Dak whose best season was one year being a top 10 QB statically I am not so sure I want to pay that guy the big money top 3 QB deal. 

 

It just seems difficult to justify paying an above average QB on speculation of improvement. It seems like that is a decision made by a fearful GM as opposed to someone who actually thinks the QB will justify the contract. 

[aristocrat]

Cowboys have had a terrible secondary for years and if you can’t stop the pass in this league you’re not winning.  They draft front seven pretty well but wide open in the back 

[Hampton Josh fan]

30 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The issue is that it is a big risk to take a chance paying an above average but not quite elite QB top 3-4 money at the biggest money positions. That means you aren't getting top 7-8 play at the most key position and you are paying him a kings ransom which surrounds him with less talent and pretty much sticks you are a 8-8ish level for years to come. I doubt the Redskins regret not paying Kirk Cousins a big contract. But I do think that the Jaguars regret handing Bortles a big contract and I think the Dolphins regret paying Tanny a big contract too (And I think the Titans will regret handing him one too.) I also think that the Rams are starting to worry about that Goff extension (although I think he can still pan out it is crippling that team.) 

 

I think it is much more frequently that teams regret handing less than proven QB's big contracts based on speculation. Yes some teams luck out and lock in a Russell Wilson on a good deal as he outperforms his previously big contract (Which is made even more of a deal as the cap goes up.) However I think the outcome is far more likely to be that a team regrets their big QB contract than loves it. 

 

I guess my point is that if you have a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers type QB who is consistently a top 5-6ish QB pay them. Even a consistently proven top 10 QB over 3 seasons like Matt Ryan is worth big money (the positional advantage is far too great even for a guy in the 8-10 range.) But if you have a guy like Dak whose best season was one year being a top 10 QB statically I am not so sure I want to pay that guy the big money top 3 QB deal. 

 

It just seems difficult to justify paying an above average QB on speculation of improvement. It seems like that is a decision made by a fearful GM as opposed to someone who actually thinks the QB will justify the contract. 

Sounds about right. 

[Kirby Jackson]

38 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The issue is that it is a big risk to take a chance paying an above average but not quite elite QB top 3-4 money at the biggest money positions. That means you aren't getting top 7-8 play at the most key position and you are paying him a kings ransom which surrounds him with less talent and pretty much sticks you are a 8-8ish level for years to come. I doubt the Redskins regret not paying Kirk Cousins a big contract. But I do think that the Jaguars regret handing Bortles a big contract and I think the Dolphins regret paying Tanny a big contract too (And I think the Titans will regret handing him one too.) I also think that the Rams are starting to worry about that Goff extension (although I think he can still pan out it is crippling that team.) 

 

I think it is much more frequently that teams regret handing less than proven QB's big contracts based on speculation. Yes some teams luck out and lock in a Russell Wilson on a good deal as he outperforms his previously big contract (Which is made even more of a deal as the cap goes up.) However I think the outcome is far more likely to be that a team regrets their big QB contract than loves it. 

 

I guess my point is that if you have a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers type QB who is consistently a top 5-6ish QB pay them. Even a consistently proven top 10 QB over 3 seasons like Matt Ryan is worth big money (the positional advantage is far too great even for a guy in the 8-10 range.) But if you have a guy like Dak whose best season was one year being a top 10 QB statically I am not so sure I want to pay that guy the big money top 3 QB deal. 

 

It just seems difficult to justify paying an above average QB on speculation of improvement. It seems like that is a decision made by a fearful GM as opposed to someone who actually thinks the QB will justify the contract. 

I keep harping on it but Dallas is in a different situation. They have Lamb, Cooper, Zeke, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith, Demarcus Lawrence, Jaylon Smith, Gallup, etc... all under contract for AT LEAST the next 3 years. They AREN’T making sacrifices to keep Dak. They have like 9 of their 10 best players (excluding Vander Esche) under contract for 3+ seasons. 
 

To equate the sacrifices that they’ll be making to the Bills it would be like being forced to go with Vosean Joseph instead of AJ Klein.  You aren’t going to sign veteran depth guys. You’re going to have to draft well because the middle and back of your roster will be younger. Is that even a drop off though? That’s the situation that they are in. The top of their roster is locked in and ready to roll. They’ve drafted well so have some young talent on rookie deals. They’re going to have to continue to do so but they’re in good shape. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Kirby Jackson