Check out this collison by Zack Moss.

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Fair.

I'm not sure about the balance, though. I posted in another thread that I thought he had an odd, upright running style, and that his shoulders often didn't get low enough. Some people agreed, some didn't. I think his success in our offense, with how he is likely to be used, will likely depend on how well his slightly odd style translates to the NFL.

Yeah, but Knox has about 30 pounds, and half a foot on Moss-- and a mean stiff-arm.

30lbs. Isn't much with a 6" difference in height.  How much do you know about Walter Payton?  When I heard about his build that was the first name that came to mind.  Not saying he will have that kind of career but he will definitely put some people on their backs.

Edited May 13, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[buffaloboyinATL]

His highlights are fun to watch.  I love watching football!  

[Billsfanatixs]

Just wondering if its me, but watching his college highlights, it seems defenders are afraid to tackle him. I remember watching old NFL films how players were afraid to tackle a running back because it hurt.

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, Billsfanatixs said:

Just wondering if its me, but watching his college highlights, it seems defenders are afraid to tackle him. I remember watching old NFL films how players were afraid to tackle a running back because it hurt.

 

I agree, but couldn’t this comment of gone into any of the specific moss threads rather than just starting a new thread for a random thought.

[LSHMEAB]

He was my favorite draft pick and my personal opinion is that he'll be a stud back; better than Devin.

 

But I think it's just you.

[Rocky Landing]

56 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

30lbs. Isn't much with a 6" difference in height.  How much do you know about Walter Payton?  When I heard about his build that was the first name that came to mind.  Not saying he will have that kind of career but he will definitely put some people on their backs.

Bring it on!

[IgotBILLStopay]

Beane himself said that Moss was sticking out on the Bills Board. There were 6 consensus day 1 RB starters in the draft: Edwards-Helaire, Swift, Taylor, Moss, Dobbins and Akers and 5 of em went in the top 55. Getting Moss at 86 was a downright steal.

 

Moss fell because of his combine 4.65 40 time (that he ran with a tweaked hamstring).  On his "pro-day" he ran a digital 4.52 which would have put him in the top 10 at the combine.

 

To answer your specific question, video does show him running by a lot of folks. I dont think it is possible to distinguish whether it is Moss' natural elusiveness or fear on the part of the defenders that caused this?

 

He is elusive and nasty - maybe that is what led to your comment

 

https://www.cover1.net/2020-nfl-draft-utah-rb-zack-moss-elusive-and-nasty/

 

Quote

“I can be elusive when it’s needed, and I can be downright nasty when it’s needed, as well.”

That’s how Utah running back Zack Moss described his game to reporters prior to the 2019 season. While it paints the picture that he toggles between the two running styles, you would be hard-pressed to turn on his film and not see both styles within each and every rep. The 5-foot-10, 222-pounder sports a rocked up, thick upper torso, and tree trunks for legs that he grew running sprints up the hill at Sugar House Park.

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Nobody in the Pac 12 tackles

[Logic]

24 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Beane himself said that Moss was sticking out on the Bills Board. There were 6 consensus day 1 RB starters in the draft: Edwards-Helaire, Swift, Taylor, Moss, Dobbins and Akers and 5 of em went in the top 55. Getting Moss at 86 was a downright steal.

 

Moss fell because of his combine 4.65 40 time (that he ran with a tweaked hamstring).  On his "pro-day" he ran a digital 4.52 which would have put him in the top 10 at the combine.

 

To answer your specific question, video does show him running by a lot of folks. I dont think it is possible to distinguish whether it is Moss' natural elusiveness or fear on the part of the defenders that caused this?

 

He is elusive and nasty - maybe that is what led to your comment

 

https://www.cover1.net/2020-nfl-draft-utah-rb-zack-moss-elusive-and-nasty/

 

 

 

I'm so glad the rest of the NFL places such an emphasis on combine numbers and shows such a disregard for tackle-breaking abilities. It is this foolishness which landed the Bills stud running backs in the third round of back-to-back drafts. Both, in my opinion, legitimately have star potential. I see the 1-2 punch of Moss and Singletary becoming the best combo in the league.

[Mr. WEO]

I was initially afraid to tackle a new Moss thread....but here I am!!

[IgotBILLStopay]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm so glad the rest of the NFL places such an emphasis on combine numbers and shows such a disregard for tackle-breaking abilities. It is this foolishness which landed the Bills stud running backs in the third round of back-to-back drafts. Both, in my opinion, legitimately have star potential. I see the 1-1 punch of Moss and Singletary becoming the best combo in the league.

fixed it for ya

 

context

 

https://www.nfl.com/videos/good-morning-football/0ap3000001113620/GMFB-Teams-with-the-best-1-1-punch

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Yeah- for anyone that wants to cast dispersions on the Current front office, For missing on talent and combine studs, I think they have really started to show a pattern of not worrying about the best combine scores, the best athletes, yada yada.

 

they've chosen your go after football players and leaders. We will see how it pans out. It doesn’t cut against analytics exactly, But it might mean that they think the analysts are not measuring the right things just yet. 

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm so glad the rest of the NFL places such an emphasis on combine numbers and shows such a disregard for tackle-breaking abilities. It is this foolishness which landed the Bills stud running backs in the third round of back-to-back drafts. Both, in my opinion, legitimately have star potential. I see the 1-2 punch of Moss and Singletary becoming the best combo in the league.

 

Most scouting reports comment on his lack of speed, so you aren't on firm ground knocking the response to his 40 times.

 

Also, as far as defenders "not wanting to tackle him", a common scouting theme was that he takes a LOT of hits, to the point were several wondered about his durability in the NFL due to his bruising style of running.  One said he "takes more hits than a boxer".  I think they meant Cooney, not Ali.  He was commonly compared to Kareem Hunt.

 

Most redraft evals had him in the 2nd or 3rd round.  Not the 1st.

[BruceVilanch]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I was initially afraid to tackle a new Moss thread....but here I am!!

That's pretty good 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

That's pretty good 

 Bruce Vilanch, zinger writer for the stars, would know!  Grazie...

[Don Otreply]

Moss said in an interview that he like to make D backs make decisions,  or something similar. Good attitude for a RB imo. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

He was my favorite draft pick and my personal opinion is that he'll be a stud back; better than Devin.

 

But I think it's just you.

Agreed.  He’s going to be perfect on this team.  He and Singletary are going to be feared as a tandem. Would be nice if this group of OL could transform into a top 10 unit.

[buffalover4life]

 

The man can run down hill and that makes his stiff arm lethal. 

 

When a player is ready to get trucked they have a tendency to break down and plant their feet to get ready for contact, but then he senses that and give them the stiff arm and runs around them. He is gonna stud and a real fun player for us

Edited May 14, 2020 by buffalover4life

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  He’s going to be perfect on this team.  He and Singletary are going to be feared as a tandem. Would be nice if this group of OL could transform into a top 10 unit.

You and I have easy access to alot of Utah games. Watched enough of them to come to the opinion that the guy is just a baller. His vision and "burst" jump off the screen. The 40 time doesn't wow you, but there were some issues at the combine and his pro day 4.52 is fine. He's quite a bit more of a homerun hitter than Devin IMO. Very impressive duo.

 

But the whole "afraid to tackle him" thing is a bit much. 

[Billsfanatixs]

How can I 

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I agree, but couldn’t this comment of gone into any of the specific moss threads rather than just starting a new thread for a random thought.

I think I speak for most MEN, "These kind of posts make me want to hang you on a doorknob by your underwear " If we were in the parking lot before a Bill's game, if I wanted to comment on a player I like, to make you happy, would I have to ask everyone in earshot if this has been talked about recently?

For god sakes man! Dont be that guy, and that goes for all of you who do that.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[JESSEFEFFER]

Some RBs take hits and others deliver them.  I think he is more the latter.  He seems to have good to great vision, get very low prior to contact, protect the ball and maintain his balance after delivering the blow, sometimes with a Kenny Davis "Texas Twister" type spin move.  He should rarely be tackled for a loss.  He has a leverage advantage on taller LBs and a momentum advantage (m * v) on most DBs who might choose to step into his path.

 

Assuming they are a successful duo, and they just might be all that, I wonder what such a pair would be worth on their second contracts.  If they split the work load they may be viable talents through a second contract and do generally great things for the Bills offense in all situations.  So, it is considered foolish to pay a RB Todd Gurley or Zeke Elliott contracts but what does Brandon Beane pay each half of a highly effective pairing?  I hope we get to see in the next few years.

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Billsfanatixs said:

How can I 

I think I speak for most MEN, "These kind of posts make me want to hang you on a doorknob by your underwear " If we were in the parking lot before a Bill's game, if I wanted to comment on a player I like, to make you happy, would I have to ask everyone in earshot if this has been talked about recently?

For god sakes man! Dont be that guy, and that goes for all of you who do that.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

 

No, you would only have to look a few lines down the first page of this site.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[youngjebrey]

He’s going to make a lot of DBs (like gilmore) make business decisions when he breaks into the secondary. 

[ehfeuh57]

5 minutes ago, Billsfanatixs said:

How can I 

I think I speak for most MEN, "These kind of posts make me want to hang you on a doorknob by your underwear " If we were in the parking lot before a Bill's game, if I wanted to comment on a player I like, to make you happy, would I have to ask everyone in earshot if this has been talked about recently?

For god sakes man! Dont be that guy, and that goes for all of you who do that.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

I usually don't like it either

 

but for the rest of your time on ANY message boards you will continue to hear this

[Bob in STL]

He is a throwback type of football player.  Quiet.  His play will do the talking.  

[Bss]

18 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

You're going to see Moss used a lot on 1st down. His hard-nosed running will put us a lot in the 2 and 5 to go range. Now you bring out Devin who can pick it up through the air, on the ground, or a staight up pass play.

Moss was a pretty solid pass catching back in college 

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Nobody in the Pac 12 tackles

Yes but they can tackle a 12 Pac.?

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

He is a throwback type of football player.  Quiet.  His play will do the talking.  

His 223 on a 5'9" Frame will speak loud several times this season.

Edited May 14, 2020 by formerlyofCtown

[ganesh]

On 5/13/2020 at 8:34 AM, BfloBillsFan said:

I originally thought that Bills should have went a different position with that pick. But after hearing him and reading about him, I Can’t wait to see Moss do that to Gilmore or Chung or any of Pats secondary 

Agreed.   I thought the Bills should have taken Dobbns in Rd 2 when he was available.  However, their patience paid off.  Moss is probably the most underrated RB in this draft and glad we got him.  He doesn't have to do it all by himself...Singletary will still be that lead back...But when we are in the 4th quarter with a 3 point lead,  this guy will be like a sledge hammer, iin killing the clock.

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

He is a throwback type of football player.  Quiet.  His play will do the talking.  

Looks like it.  As someone else posted...he is coming with the Fred Jackson attitude...but with a lot more talent... Go Bills.

[Jauronimo]

I'm glad we have a real short yardage back now.  Don't get me wrong, I loved the QB sneak where Allen gets stuffed at first or fumbles then disappears into a pile of bodies before miraculously emerging for a first down while my heart skips a beat and I loved Gore falling one inch over the marker necessitating challenges and video review but this year I am looking forward to some no frills first downs.

[Rochesterfan]

8 hours ago, Billsfanatixs said:

How can I 

I think I speak for most MEN, "These kind of posts make me want to hang you on a doorknob by your underwear " If we were in the parking lot before a Bill's game, if I wanted to comment on a player I like, to make you happy, would I have to ask everyone in earshot if this has been talked about recently?

For god sakes man! Dont be that guy, and that goes for all of you who do that.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

Ahh yes said the Noob that could not follow the rules - then had his thread merged with another thread because a quick search of the first page would of showed a perfectly fine thread on Moss and his running style that was a perfect place for your post.

 

Starting a new thread just to post a Random thought and ignoring is such a LAMP move.  
 

For Gods sake man learn common decency and follow the rules - it is quick and easy to perform a search and your though was fine - it just did not warrant a new thread when the front page already had multiple threads with Moss and one specifically discussing his running style with a title starting with “Check out this collision....”

 

Other than that I answered you original thought and made a suggestion that turned out to be correct and tried to do it in a nice way rather than what many other “Men” normally post which would have called you many nasty names for a lame Lamp post to start a new thread with.

 

Sorry. 
 

?‍♂️ 

[Rochesterfan]

8 hours ago, Billsfanatixs said:

How can I 

I think I speak for most MEN, "These kind of posts make me want to hang you on a doorknob by your underwear " If we were in the parking lot before a Bill's game, if I wanted to comment on a player I like, to make you happy, would I have to ask everyone in earshot if this has been talked about recently?

For god sakes man! Dont be that guy, and that goes for all of you who do that.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

You want to see how others think take a quick gander at the posts in the duplicate and closed “sammy’s Injuries” thread or a quick skim of either of the TMaster threads one closed and one still going about Blain Bishop.

 

I just assumed as a noob you did not know the rules and made a suggestion you could search - it is easy and it is the way things are done here - which is a much better way than every random though becomes a thread.

 

 

[whorlnut]

I think Zach Moss is going to give a whole new meaning to “You got Moss’d”...

[Don Otreply]

27 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I think Zach Moss is going to give a whole new meaning to “You got Moss’d”...

A rolling stone (D back) gathers no Moss...

[buffaloboyinATL]

8 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm glad we have a real short yardage back now.  Don't get me wrong, I loved the QB sneak where Allen gets stuffed at first or fumbles then disappears into a pile of bodies before miraculously emerging for a first down while my heart skips a beat and I loved Gore falling one inch over the marker necessitating challenges and video review but this year I am looking forward to some no frills first downs.

Yeah, that 4 minute drill video was very encouraging.  We all have bad memories of us playing with a lead and letting it slip away.  If he can run out a clock in the NFL, like he did in college, it will be a joy to watch. (and we will all eventually learn how to relax when we are winning in the 4th Quarter)

[T master]

23 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Guys definitely get run over like that in the NFL.

 

https://streamable.com/oa974 

 

The powers of observation at work  . 

[GreggTX]

3 thoughts on the OP.

1. I like our RB situation a lot, but I don't know that our OL is strong enough to match your prediction.

2. I see no reason why both DS and ZM can't be effective anywhere on the field. I'm fine with either one in short or long yardage situations.

3. We were top 5 for most of last season, but much of that was scrambling yards by JA on called pass plays. I think you need to subtract those yards from the team total to get a true measure of our rushing attack. Conversely, "pop" passes should be considered rushing plays/yards.

[Commish]

On GMFB:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muJr3uFFNC0