Gil Brandt QB prospect comparison

[Buffalo716]

HoFr Gil Brandt has released his QB comparisons for the 2020 NFL prospects

 

He obviously isn't that high on Burrow , as am I. Compares him to andy Dalton which is actually a fair NFL comparison

 

Herbert is compared to Carson Palmer

 

Tua to Drew Brees

 

Love to Jay Cutler

 

Fromm to Colt McCoy

 

And Eason to Joe Flacco

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109661/article/2020-nfl-draft-prospectpro-comparisons-for-top-quarterbacks

 

 

 

[DJB]

Do we take Gil Brandt seriously anymore? Dude looks like he has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. 

[Blokestradamus]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

Do we take Gil Brandt seriously anymore? Dude looks like he has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. 

 

Because it never gets less funny to me.

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, DJB said:

Do we take Gil Brandt seriously anymore? Dude looks like he has one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel. 

I wouldn't take everything he says as Gospel

 

But he's forgot more about football than most here have ever known so his opinion is still definitely respected

[Victory Formation]

I think Love will be terrible. Fromm is a guy who I think could be a quality game manager in the 2nd round. Burrow reminds me of Sam Darnold. Herbert is this year’s Josh Allen. Tua will be a star if he can stay healthy.

[Bronxbomber21]

Tua and brees are two completely different players 

[DJB]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I wouldn't take everything he says as Gospel

 

But he's forgot more about football than most here have ever known so his opinion is still definitely respected

 

True. I'll give you that

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Tua and brees are two completely different players 

If you watched tua throw short and intermediate passes with world-class touch you could see why he says that

 

It has nothing to do with their athletic ability or anyting. Tua has world-class touch

[DCOrange]

Big difference between Burrow and Dalton is that Burrow is excellent going through progressions. Dalton is a talented passer but if you take away his first or second read, he's lost.

 

Also, Brandt isn't low on Burrow; he still has him as his #1 QB in the class.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Big difference between Burrow and Dalton is that Burrow is excellent going through progressions. Dalton is a talented passer but if you take away his first or second read, he's lost.

 

Also, Brandt isn't low on Burrow; he still has him as his #1 QB in the class.

burrow was lost going through progressions in his pro style offense last year. The full spread helped him see the field immensely

 

And comparing him to Andy Dalton is still a very low ceiling first overall pick.  Burrow is polished but he's  probably the least physically impressive first overall pick in a long time

 

Even Baker had a stronger arm by a good amount and Baker had great accuracy and touch, not size

Edited April 19, 2020 by Buffalo716

[FireChans]

I sneaky like the Love Cutler comparison. Both dudes make throws that make you lean forward.

[Blokestradamus]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I sneaky like the Love Cutler comparison. Both dudes make throws that make you lean forward.

 

Especially if you're on the other team

[JinxedBill]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If you watched tua throw short and intermediate passes with world-class touch you could see why he says that

 

It has nothing to do with their athletic ability or anyting. Tua has world-class touch

That’s what she said.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

burrow was lost going through progressions in his pro style offense last year. The full spread helped him out immensely

 

Agree with that. While I am a fair bit higher on him than you and I think Dalton is very much his floor - he can be Dalton day 1 for my money - I think he has to be in a spread scheme. It seems to simplify things for him. I felt in pro style he was too quick to checkdown because he wants the ball out quickly. 

 

Interesting it would be three #1 pick QBs in a row who I have thought have to play in a spread style offense to succeed. Shows how much the game has changed. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

Especially if you're on the other team

But seriously. Both guys have never seen a throw they didn’t think they could make. Sometimes to their detriment.

 

I like that confidence though. I have always believed it’s easier to get a QB to reign in that gunslinger mentality than to teach them to trust their arm more if they are a little on the conservative side.

[Blokestradamus]

Just now, FireChans said:

But seriously. Both guys have never seen a throw they didn’t think they could make. Sometimes to their detriment.

 

I like that confidence though. I have always believed it’s easier to get a QB to reign in that gunslinger mentality than to teach them to trust their arm more if they are a little on the conservative side.

 

I've always been one of the select few Cutler truthers out there. There's something very satisfying about watching a guy that you know has an ungodly pair on him, if only because you've got no clue how any given play will go. Hell, with Jay, I'm not even sure he knew for half of his career.

 

I've not really studied Love this year but I welcome anyone that could be the next-gen Jay Cutler. My enjoyment needs it to happen.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said:

 

I've always been one of the select few Cutler truthers out there. There's something very satisfying about watching a guy that you know has an ungodly pair on him, if only because you've got no clue how any given play will go. Hell, with Jay, I'm not even sure he knew for half of his career.

 

I've not really studied Love this year but I welcome anyone that could be the next-gen Jay Cutler. My enjoyment needs it to happen.

That’s my QB!

 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agree with that. While I am a fair bit higher on him than you and I think Dalton is very much his floor - he can be Dalton day 1 for my money - I think he has to be in a spread scheme. It seems to simplify things for him. I felt in pro style he was too quick to checkdown because he wants the ball out quickly. 

 

Interesting it would be three #1 pick QBs in a row who I have thought have to play in a spread style offense to succeed. Shows how much the game has changed. 

The game has completely changed. It's the NFL and they know how to slow down those type of offenses tho... 90% of all college quarterbacks who are NFL talent Worthy are coming out as spread quarterbacks now

 

The NFL had to adapt with them and has surprisingly

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The game has completely changed. It's the NFL and they know how to slow down those type of offenses tho... 90% of all college quarterbacks who are NFL talent Worthy are coming out as spread quarterbacks now

 

The NFL had to adapt with them and has surprisingly

The NFL knows how to slow down the spread now? Is that why Watson and Murray have all had great to good success from the jump?

Edited April 19, 2020 by FireChans

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The NFL knows how to slow down the spread now? Is that why Watson and Murray have all had great to good success from the jump?

A few players who are good players doesn't mean defensive coordinators don't know how to stop it

 

The spread isn't new , and defensive coordinators have known how to slow down an NFL spread offense by in large part for a long time

 

Watson looked lost for 3 quarters of our playoff game. McDermott knows how to stop a spread offense. Every HS in Texas runs it , an NFL defensive coordinator can figure it out

Edited April 19, 2020 by Buffalo716

[DCOrange]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

burrow was lost going through progressions in his pro style offense last year. The full spread helped him see the field immensely

 

And comparing him to Andy Dalton is still a very low ceiling first overall pick.  Burrow is polished but he's  probably the least physically impressive first overall pick in a long time

 

Even Baker had a stronger arm by a good amount and Baker had great accuracy and touch, not size

If you read the whole thing, it sounds like Brandt is saying his pro comp is a rich man's Dalton and that he thinks Dalton is a good starter and Burrow has the potential to be a special QB.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Oops, wrong Gil.  Read 'Brandt', thought 'Thorp'.  Never mind.  ?

Edited April 19, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

A few players who are good players doesn't mean defensive coordinators don't know how to stop it

 

The spread isn't new , and defensive coordinators have known how to slow down an NFL spread offense by in large part for a long time

 

Watson looked lost for 3 quarters of our playoff game. McDermott knows how to stop a spread offense. Every HS in Texas runs it , an NFL defensive coordinator can figure it out

Watson had a bad 3Q’s and suddenly all spread concepts are easily stoppable. 

 

You know Watson has 85 TD’s in 37 starts right? A 2x ProBowler in 2 full seasons. 

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

If you read the whole thing, it sounds like Brandt is saying his pro comp is a rich man's Dalton and that he thinks Dalton is a good starter and Burrow has the potential to be a special QB.

Anything is certainly possible and everybody in the NFL is talented

 

I just don't see a NFL superstar with Burrow

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Watson had a bad 3Q’s and suddenly all spread concepts are easily stoppable. 

 

You know Watson has 85 TD’s in 37 starts right? A 2x ProBowler in 2 full seasons. 

Ummm do you not comprehend English? I said a few good QBs who are spread QBs doesn't mean the NFL can't stop them. The spread isn't new, NFL coordinators have been able to slow it down for the most part since it's inception

 

There are farrrr more spread QBs to fail in the last 20 years than succeed. Not even close

 

 

Edited April 19, 2020 by Buffalo716

[hmsmystic]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I wouldn't take everything he says as Gospel

 

But he's forgot more about football than most here have ever known so his opinion is still definitely respected

This- you may not agree with his opinions, but no need to criticize the guy.

Brandt has more information, contacts, perspective and history than most anyone

Edited April 19, 2020 by hmsmystic

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

I think Love will be terrible. Fromm is a guy who I think could be a quality game manager in the 2nd round. Burrow reminds me of Sam Darnold. Herbert is this year’s Josh Allen. Tua will be a star if he can stay healthy.

With all due respect, I couldn’t disagree more.  Fromm was a game manager in college surrounded by nfl talent with very average at best physical talent.  He will be lucky if he sticks as backup for a long time.  He was the worst of the 3 Georgia qbs.  

As for Love, he was an absolute stud as a sophomore.  They lost like 9 starters and their OC. Obviously it’s a big jump but if he goes to a situation where can develop properly, I think he could be a stud.

[Victory Formation]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, I couldn’t disagree more.  Fromm was a game manager in college surrounded by nfl talent with very average at best physical talent.  He will be lucky if he sticks as backup for a long time.  He was the worst of the 3 Georgia qbs.  

As for Love, he was an absolute stud as a sophomore.  They lost like 9 starters and their OC. Obviously it’s a big jump but if he goes to a situation where can develop properly, I think he could be a stud.

What do I know? I won’t pretend to be an expert, I don’t put in enough time to qualify. I noticed that Love under-throws a lot of balls that should be homerun hits. Whereas Fromm has a lot more spin on the ball and velocity. I know very little in terms of decision making, just a few videos and a quick peak at the stats. Could be completely wrong, just my humble opinion. My 2¢ is free.

[C.Biscuit97]

26 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What do I know? I won’t pretend to be an expert, I don’t put in enough time to qualify. I noticed that Love under-throws a lot of balls that should be homerun hits. Whereas Fromm has a lot more spin on the ball and velocity. I know very little in terms of decision making, just a few videos and a quick peak at the stats. Could be completely wrong, just my humble opinion. My 2¢ is free.

Totally respect your opinion.  And with all these guys, the situation matters so much.  

[BobbyC81]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Interesting it would be three #1 pick QBs in a row who I have thought have to play in a spread style offense to succeed. Shows how much the game has changed. 

It took them long enough.  How many times had we heard an evaluation of a college QB include “but he didn’t play in a pro-style offense”?   It made me start wondering if the NFL bylaws or bible stated that “Thou shalt only employ a Pro-Style Offense”

 

I never understood why so many NFL coaches felt they had to change a QB instead of letting him run what he was good at.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, ColeB said:

It took them long enough.  How many times had we heard an evaluation of a college QB include “but he didn’t play in a pro-style offense”?   It made me start wondering if the NFL bylaws or bible stated that “Thou shalt only employ a Pro-Style Offense”

 

I never understood why so many NFL coaches felt they had to change a QB instead of letting him run what he was good at.

 

Yep. I think it has happened gradually in a sense. Originally they took guys out of spread and then put them in these merged offenses - that is what Bill O'Brien did a bit early on with Watson and it is famously what Kyle Shanahan did with RGIII. But to take three guys who are really spread only QBs at #1 in three consecutive years and then just put them in the spread systems straight away is definitely another step in the development of the NFL.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I think Love will be terrible. Fromm is a guy who I think could be a quality game manager in the 2nd round. Burrow reminds me of Sam Darnold. Herbert is this year’s Josh Allen. Tua will be a star if he can stay healthy.

 

Love is a Central Valley boy just like Allen. Allen from Firebaugh just west of Fresno. Love is from Bakersfield a couple hours south of Firebaugh. The similarities don't end there. Both played in the Mountain West Conference. Both had break-out Sophomore campaigns followed by questionable Jr. seasons before entering the draft. Love is a less athletic maybe more polished passer version of Allen coming out of college.

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

As for Love, he was an absolute stud as a sophomore.  They lost like 9 starters and their OC. Obviously it’s a big jump but if he goes to a situation where can develop properly, I think he could be a stud.

 

Hmmm. Who does that sounds like?  

[Phil The Thrill]

4 hours ago, hmsmystic said:

This- you may not agree with his opinions, but no need to criticize the guy.

Brandt has more information, contacts, perspective and history than most anyone

He’s 90

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

HoFr Gil Brandt has released his QB comparisons for the 2020 NFL prospects

 

He obviously isn't that high on Burrow , as am I. Compares him to andy Dalton which is actually a fair NFL comparison

 

Herbert is compared to Carson Palmer

 

Tua to Drew Brees

 

Love to Jay Cutler

 

Fromm to Colt McCoy

 

And Eason to Joe Flacco

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109661/article/2020-nfl-draft-prospectpro-comparisons-for-top-quarterbacks

 

Well of them all....I would certainly take Drew Brees

But Carson Palmer woulda won a Superbowl with a better team around him

 

I dunno about these kind of comparisons in general.

 

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Watson looked lost for 3 quarters of our playoff game. McDermott knows how to stop a spread offense. Every HS in Texas runs it , an NFL defensive coordinator can figure it out

 

So what happened during the 4th Quarter of our playoff game, was B O'B singing "Amazing Grace" into his helmet?

("I once was lost, but now am found....")

[KollegeStudnet]

I still think Gil still has it. I enjoy listening to all of his stories. I'm not a fan of comparing draftees to players.   

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

A few players who are good players doesn't mean defensive coordinators don't know how to stop it

 

The spread isn't new , and defensive coordinators have known how to slow down an NFL spread offense by in large part for a long time

 

Watson looked lost for 3 quarters of our playoff game. McDermott knows how to stop a spread offense. Every HS in Texas runs it , an NFL defensive coordinator can figure it out

I'd respectfully LOVE to read a succinct summary of the blueprint to defensing spread offenses. If you have a few minutes. Truly. I'm a nerd for NFL game-planning: schemes, formations, personnel packages, play calling...all of it. 

 

I know how defenses attacked the Bills' spread offense last year, but I don't think that's (cover-0 pressure) accepted as "best practice" league-wide...

[Buffalo716]

31 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I'd respectfully LOVE to read a succinct summary of the blueprint to defensing spread offenses. If you have a few minutes. Truly. I'm a nerd for NFL game-planning: schemes, formations, personnel packages, play calling...all of it. 

 

I know how defenses attacked the Bills' spread offense last year, but I don't think that's (cover-0 pressure) accepted as "best practice" league-wide...

I mean there are a lot of ways you can go and attack it. But up front your defensive line and linebackers must be Gap sound

 

It's a long game so you have to make them earn everything. Sooner than later offenses don't like getting 5-6 yards through the air, so they get a little jealous and push it down field

 

How do you make them do that well there is a couple ways to do it. Let's use Seans standard 4-2-5 nickel. again it all starts with gap control up front by your four down linemen and two linebackers. You need to stop the run. No stunts twists nothing Gap control football.

 

The back end is a little bit trickier. Ideally the best way to beat it is to press man. Cover 1, or 0 ... but most teams in college and the NFL don't have the personnel to do that

 

So you need to have great safety play. If you have two people in the backend that can funnel everything down the game gets condensed. Combo coverages, press zone, and faking Dual A gap pressure are all things that can confuse or make a QB hold the ball a little longer . Sean loves using palms coverage to confuse spread defense because it can turn from cover 4 to a man depending on look and route combo

 

Ideally I would attack it in a 3-3-5. I would use a 0 tech and 5 techs. A big 3 man front to eat up the run

 

In the back end the three linebackers and five defensive backs again gives you a whole bunch of things to play with. You could overload to one side. You can play Man zone combo coverages. You can bring 5  lots of ways.. My favorite 3rd down formation is simulating dual A gap pressure but rarely bringing it..  you just need the quarterback to hold the ball a split-second more

 

Again it's about slowing down the other team. Everybody gets yards in the NFL for the most part. But defenders get paid to make plays too. Keep everything in front of you and See more plays

 

Eventually all quarterbacks get tired of dinking and dunking and take that shot that they shouldn't and you just need to capitalize

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by Buffalo716

[H2o]

Herbert - Gabbert (Not Carson Palmer by any means)

 

Tua - Left handed Russell Wilson imo

 

Burrow - Right handed Boomer Esiason

 

Love - I think the Jay Cutler comp holds some water

 

The others, in the words of Jay Cutler, "Don't caaaarrrre". 

[BuffaloMatt]

17 hours ago, FireChans said:

That’s my QB!

 

Now he gets flagged for leading with crown of helmet! Love when big QBs smash small CB. So Allen-esque.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

We'll see who is right on Tua. 

 

Gil Brandt compares Tua to Brees.

 

Whereas, Cosell is not as high on Tua because he is a "system Quarterback" and he says Burrow is far and away the best QB prospect in the class.  

[Phil The Thrill]

10 hours ago, KollegeStudnet said:

I still think Gil still has it. I enjoy listening to all of his stories. I'm not a fan of comparing draftees to players.   

His voice and cadence put me asleep.  Good for insomnia...very good.