Report - Browns in discussion with Vikings on OBJ trade

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Just remember it’s liars month in April as no one tells the truth before the draft.  I don’t believe any of these people.

 

I don’t think I'm supposed to believe you about this. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 hours ago, TOboy said:

I read they’d be including one of their elite safety’s too

Oh F no not Harrison Smith!!!!

[PetermansRedemption]

It’s always telling when you get traded (potentially) from two teams in two years. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Not expecting Bobby Fisher, but there is a difference between having an edge and being a douche nozzle. Although Bobby may very well have been said nozzle. We can only hope Diggs keeps his mouth shut and first and foremost performs as advertised. I expect you get my drift. 
 

Go Bills!!!

Bobby Fisher, what a reference!  (never thought I would see him mentioned on a football message board)  He was a weird guy from what I have heard.  I agree.  Lets hope Diggs is everything we are hoping he will be and then some.  Dam it has been a LONG time since we had a big time WR.  Sammy never got there.  Stevie J was good, but not quite a top 5-10 guy.  Lee Evans was great on the go route, and not much else.  I am thinking it has been since Eric Moulds in his prime from 1998 and 2002.  That is a LONG TIME ago.

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Indeed. Diggs is a less divisive guy than OBJ. But he is also less talented. And I say that as Diggs's number 1 fan. I loved him long before he was a Bill.   

No one is questioning OBJ's superlative talents. Without question wherever he has been he has been the most talented receiver on the team.  Yet he keeps getting moved. Football is a team game where how you fit in goes beyond talent and to an extent actual production. Recognizing the fact that Diggs is less talented than OBJ I would still prefer Diggs on the roster than OBJ. You don't have to be an angel to be a wanted member on a team. On the other hand you have to have a level of maturity and stability to contribute to a culture of unselfishness that leads to team success. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Bobby Fisher, what a reference!  (never thought I would see him mentioned on a football message board)  He was a weird guy from what I have heard.  I agree.  Lets hope Diggs is everything we are hoping he will be and then some.  Dam it has been a LONG time since we had a big time WR.  Sammy never got there.  Stevie J was good, but not quite a top 5-10 guy.  Lee Evans was great on the go route, and not much else.  I am thinking it has been since Eric Moulds in his prime from 1998 and 2002.  That is a LONG TIME ago.

Yes it has been a long time, I think many would agree that with Stefon Diggs, Brown,Beasley, Knox and the whole offense will be more effective. Now defenses will have to choose their poison. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[Formerly Allan in MD]

OBJ is not a Cleveland type guy, nor a Minnesota type guy as well.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Bobby Fisher, what a reference!  (never thought I would see him mentioned on a football message board)  He was a weird guy from what I have heard.  I agree.  Lets hope Diggs is everything we are hoping he will be and then some.  Dam it has been a LONG time since we had a big time WR.  Sammy never got there.  Stevie J was good, but not quite a top 5-10 guy.  Lee Evans was great on the go route, and not much else.  I am thinking it has been since Eric Moulds in his prime from 1998 and 2002.  That is a LONG TIME ago.

Agreed on Moulds.  He was such a stud, and felt bad he was stuck on our team.  By the time he made it to Houston, he was past his prime.  Put him with Kelly and he would have a gold jacket.  Paup (by the way love the name as was awesome), I don’t know if you remember the Phins game in December, can’t remember the year, maybe 2001 or 2, and was snowing of course.  It went from a steady snow to a blizzard in the second half.  It must have been a 4:30pm game.  The weed fiend from NO ran for over 220 yards that game, and we still won.  Moulds in the second half had a deep one handed catch for a TD.  It was amazing.

[cle23]

50 minutes ago, JohnC said:

No one is questioning OBJ's superlative talents. Without question wherever he has been he has been the most talented receiver on the team.  Yet he keeps getting moved. Football is a team game where how you fit in goes beyond talent and to an extent actual production. Recognizing the fact that Diggs is less talented than OBJ I would still prefer Diggs on the roster than OBJ. You don't have to be an angel to be a wanted member on a team. On the other hand you have to have a level of maturity and stability to contribute to a culture of unselfishness that leads to team success. 

 

Diggs has been traded as times as OBJ.  Diggs was fined $200,000 for missed meetings and causing problems last year. 

 

It's funny how people convince themselves their guy is a better guy just because, despite evidence that says otherwise.

Edited April 15, 2020 by cle23

[JohnC]

4 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Diggs has been traded as times as OBJ.  Diggs was fined $200,000 for missed meetings and causing problems last year. 

 

It's funny how people convince themselves their guy is a better guy just because, despite evidence that says otherwise.

I'll still take Diggs over OBJ. Diggs did lose control and was fined. And he should have been. OBJ has a more extensive history of problematic behavior. 

[buffalo2218]

7 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Agreed on Moulds.  He was such a stud, and felt bad he was stuck on our team.  By the time he made it to Houston, he was past his prime.  Put him with Kelly and he would have a gold jacket.  Paup (by the way love the name as was awesome), I don’t know if you remember the Phins game in December, can’t remember the year, maybe 2001 or 2, and was snowing of course.  It went from a steady snow to a blizzard in the second half.  It must have been a 4:30pm game.  The weed fiend from NO ran for over 220 yards that game, and we still won.  Moulds in the second half had a deep one handed catch for a TD.  It was amazing.

I remember that catch, the pass was a bit under thrown, the DB tipped it and Moulds snatched it with one hand. Everything clicked for the Bills in that second half. Moulds and Price were a crazy good WR combo

[DJB]

I saw a tweet earlier that said they spoke to Shefter and Shefter said Odell isnt getting traded

[Paup 1995MVP]

5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Agreed on Moulds.  He was such a stud, and felt bad he was stuck on our team.  By the time he made it to Houston, he was past his prime.  Put him with Kelly and he would have a gold jacket.  Paup (by the way love the name as was awesome), I don’t know if you remember the Phins game in December, can’t remember the year, maybe 2001 or 2, and was snowing of course.  It went from a steady snow to a blizzard in the second half.  It must have been a 4:30pm game.  The weed fiend from NO ran for over 220 yards that game, and we still won.  Moulds in the second half had a deep one handed catch for a TD.  It was amazing.

Glad you like my user name.  Paup had two amazing years in 95 and 96 before injuring his groin pretty badly if I recall.  He and Bruce were a deadly combo on the pass rush. (I have his 95 jersey and still wear it on occasion)  I do remember when Ricky Williams ran wild against us for over 220 yards.  But I think we did win that game.  I believe that may have been Bledsoe's first year.  I went to the Bills-Dolphins playoff game in Miami after the 98 season.  (Flutie got sacked by Trace Armstrong to end the game inside their 10 yard line)  I believe Moulds had 240 receiving yards that day.  At the time it was an NFL playoff record.  Not sure if it still stands.  He caught a bomb down the sideline on our first drive.  Exciting game.  Disappointing ending.  I remember talking with Chris Mortinson at the Ft Lauderdale airport after the game.  Oh the memories!!  

[MJS]

11 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

True but they had such a bad coach last year.  Their play calling in the red zone against the Bills was some of the worst I’ve ever seen.  They would go jumbo and take their best offensive players off the field.  It was so idiotic.

Hmm, I remember OBJ being on the field a lot during those red zone stops.

[cle23]

23 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hmm, I remember OBJ being on the field a lot during those red zone stops.

 

OBJ also played all of last year with a sports hernia.

5 hours ago, JohnC said:

I'll still take Diggs over OBJ. Diggs did lose control and was fined. And he should have been. OBJ has a more extensive history of problematic behavior. 

 

Can to provide examples? They both tend to have a loud mouth but as far as I know Beckham's never been fined or suspended.

[Billznut]

8 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

It’s always telling when you get traded (potentially) from two teams in two years. 

OBJ is a clown. Just keep him as far away from Buffalo as possible. 

[njbuff]

People who wanna say that OBJ is the better player than Diggs.....................

 

the number the last two years suggest otherwise and when it comes to "What have you done for me lately"..................

 

Diggs gets the slight edge numbers wise. 

 

And in terms of talent on the field, Diggs doesn't take a backseat to anyone. That is why the Bills paid a heavy price for him.

[MJS]

It will be nice to have him out of the conference. And once again the Browns look like complete fools, if true. Trade for an all-pro receiver and then trade him away after one year.

 

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

People who wanna say that OBJ is the better player than Diggs.....................

 

the number the last two years suggest otherwise and when it comes to "What have you done for me lately"..................

 

Diggs gets the slight edge numbers wise. 

 

And in terms of talent on the field, Diggs doesn't take a backseat to anyone. That is why the Bills paid a heavy price for him.

 

OBJ will never put up numbers like that again unless some OC replicates what they did for the Giants. That offense moved him all over the field and got him tons of targets in a variety of ways. Everything went through him.

Edited April 16, 2020 by MJS

[BillsFan2313]

16 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Thielen moaned about targets early in the season as well. The Vikings had the best 1-2 punch at receiver in the league and wanted to play 1970s football behind Delvin Cook.

 

Diggs is firey and he is a competitor. As long as the Bills get him the ball he will be fine.

 

Nailed it 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 4/15/2020 at 11:04 AM, GunnerBill said:

If this happens could all the people who thought Adam Thielen would be fine without another top flight receiver opposite him because he was "the better guy anyway" please stand up? I am telling you... he needs someone else to draw the double coverage off him consistently or else his numbers will fall in 2020. As much as I love Diggs OBJ is an upgrade.... even he genuinely is a problem child in the locker room.

I think any WR not named Calvin Johnson would need at least a solid threat opposite him. If you are a top 10 WR and are constantly doubled your numbers are going to take a dive. Thielen is a very good WR that has huge games when not doubled. With the Vikings it was a pick your poison type deal with Thielen and Diggs. One would get hot, then they would get more coverage, then the other would get hot. 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I think any WR not names Calvin Johnson would need at least a solid threat opposite him. If you are a top 10 WR and are constantly doubled your numbers are going to take a dive. Thielen is a very good WR that has huge games when not doubled. With the Vikings it was a pick your poison type deal with Thielen and Diggs. One would get hot, then they would get more coverage, then the other would get hot. 

 

Thielen is a very good receiver, agreed. Diggs is better.

[CapeBreton]

 

[billsfan89]

23 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Thielen moaned about targets early in the season as well. The Vikings had the best 1-2 punch at receiver in the league and wanted to play 1970s football behind Delvin Cook.

 

Diggs is firey and he is a competitor. As long as the Bills get him the ball he will be fine.

 

To be fair to the Vikings were right in their philosophy with Cook as they improved a lot form 2018 to 2019. In 2018 Diggs got 149 targets and Thielin got 153, yet they were unable to consistently move the ball due to O-line issues and lack of a rushing attack. In 2019 Diggs only got 94 targets but had a much better season and the team went from 8-7-1 to 10-6 and a playoff victory. 

 

I think Diggs got frustrated with Cousins as a QB on a personal level not just a football one. There were rumblings about Diggs wanting out of Minny last off-season when he had 149 targets. So I don't think the issue was just targets as he was fed plenty in 2018 and still had issues. I don't think of Diggs as a big diva but certainly a strong personality that Josh and the coaching staff will have to manage. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, billsfan89 said:

 

To be fair to the Vikings were right in their philosophy with Cook as they improved a lot form 2018 to 2019. In 2018 Diggs got 149 targets and Thielin got 153, yet they were unable to consistently move the ball due to O-line issues and lack of a rushing attack. In 2019 Diggs only got 94 targets but had a much better season and the team went from 8-7-1 to 10-6 and a playoff victory. 

 

I think Diggs got frustrated with Cousins as a QB on a personal level not just a football one. There were rumblings about Diggs wanting out of Minny last off-season when he had 149 targets. So I don't think the issue was just targets as he was fed plenty in 2018 and still had issues. I don't think of Diggs as a big diva but certainly a strong personality that Josh and the coaching staff will have to manage. 

 

Well Diggs says the opposite. Says Kirk is his guy.

[billsfan89]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Well Diggs says the opposite. Says Kirk is his guy.

 

It doesn't match up with the rumors that he was upset after the 2018 season in which Kirk fed him 149 targets. I think there has to be more to the story because despite only 94 targets in 2019 Diggs had the better season. I think the targets might have been the last straw but something wasn't right there. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Thielen is a very good receiver, agreed. Diggs is better.

Diggs is better but it’s such a very small margin 

[YoloinOhio]

Local guys on radio are convinced this is coming from OBJs camp because he’s trying to will a trade into existence 

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Local guys on radio are convinced this is coming from OBJs camp because he’s trying to will a trade into existence 

OBJ. Disgruntled as always.

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Well Diggs says the opposite. Says Kirk is his guy.

I think that’s called being a professional.

 

doing that from time to time is a good idea.  His tantrums are embarrassing 

Edited April 16, 2020 by NewEra

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2020 at 12:14 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well, I think every team is better with multiple threats.  I also think you need to do the same with Diggs too.  Him and Thielen helped each other.  And Thielen ended up with the better numbers. 
 

and man.  OBJ is annoying but what a steal that would be.  I can’t believe that is all it would take.  

OBJ must be a complete a-hole and a team cancer. There would be no other possible reason to trade someone who is just that good. The man was great in college and got even better in the NFL. He is a super talented player. I liken him almost to Randy Moss in terms of pure talent and ability.

He needs to get himself together.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Bill from NYC

[billsfan89]

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

OBJ must be a complete a-hole and a team cancer. There would be no other possible reason to trade someone who is just that good. The man was great in college and got even better in the NFL. He is a super talented player. I liken him almost to Randy Moss in terms of pure talent and ability.

He needs to get himself together.

 

Last year’s Browns were among the worst situations for Odell to be in. Yes they had his good friend Landry and other good skill position talent around him. But the team had an immature QB who needed to be humbled before he could lead a great team, they had offensive line issues that hampered the offense, and they had a head coach who was incapable of managing the personalities on the team. There was also issues on the defensive side even if they did field a respectable unit. 

 

Odell was also expected to be the big piece that put them into the playoffs and so that also added a lot of pressure on him and made the whole situation toxic if and when they began to lose. It would be one thing if the Browns were coming off of that 1-15 season and they brought in Odell, then the expectations would be super low and the pressure less. But they had expectations in Cleveland and that made the situation that much more of a pressure cooker. 

 

That's not to excuse Odell as he is very immature and needs to get it together. But putting a volatile player in a volatile situation wasn't a recipe for success. As far as their 2020 prospects (if there is a season) they did add Conklin and I expect they add another tackle with their first round pick, that should help their O-line issues and they probably could add a piece or two to the defense via the draft as they have an extra 3rd round pick to work with. Conklin and Hooper improve the talent but their issues go beyond talent.