Bills trade for Diggs - jw no discussions on a restructure

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

These are the kinds of catches Diggs brings to the table that we just haven't had on the team:

 

If we had a guy to make a catch or two like that, we beat Houston no problem. Can’t wait to watch him play for us. 

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Vicarious_Fan16 said:

 

It's really nice to finally have cap space the team can work with. They will probably have close to 80 mill next year 

 

I did in 04

 

'04, LOL maybe I graduated with your parents!

[stinky finger]

13 minutes ago, SloanBillsFan said:

Not completely happy with the cost in picks. Last WR the Bills bet the farm on didn't do so well...for the Bills anyway even though he's got a ring now.. 

 

Serious question. What picks bother you and what would you suggest we do we them?

[thebandit27]

12 minutes ago, SloanBillsFan said:

Not completely happy with the cost in picks. Last WR the Bills bet the farm on didn't do so well...for the Bills anyway even though he's got a ring now.. 

 

Here’s an upside: given how much money Buffalo is spending on extensions and new contracts, and assuming that they have to pay Allen QB1 money in 2 years, won’t it be kind of fortunate that they don’t have a 1st round pick looking for top-end money 4 years from now?

[FLFan]

41 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

even with this I see them doing a simple restructure. Giving some GTD money and upfront money and lowering his cap hit this year as well. Maybe tack on a voidable year on the backend. 

I just do not think immediate renegotiation is the style of Beane.  They are in a different space now than when Whaley traded for McCoy and felt compelled to immediately redo his contract for more money to make sure he was happy.  The Bills are establishing a pay for performance culture.  Very clear from their actions over the past few years.  Right now Diggs has a fair contract with 4 years remaining.  If he earns a new deal based on his performance and his blend with the team, I am sure he will get it at the appropriate time.  

[Peter]

Let's hope it works out.

 

We paid a lot for him . . . especially given the Hopkins trade.

 

We shall see.

[ngbills]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It always was move for the top 3 or wait until RD2; those prospects at #22 no way. He is only 26 and just entering his prime! I mean come on!

But being fair, BoB's incompetence made this look like an awful trade on our part; it was his trade that was awful

I think most people are "hoping" the guy picked at #22 or higher if trading up would be better than Diggs. Obviously no certainty but the build up to the draft is about these guys being generational talents etc. Diggs is good but not top 5 WR good which is what Lamb or Jeudy could be. 

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

It always was move for the top 3 or wait until RD2; those prospects at #22 no way. He is only 26 and just entering his prime! I mean come on!

But being fair, BoB's incompetence made this look like an awful trade on our part; it was his trade that was awful

 

Packaging the Bills' 1st and 2nd rounders this year doesn't even get you to 13.  Is anyone confident that the top-3 WR's would be there at 14 since it's a move that would likely need to be made before the draft?  And then would any of them be a 1,000 yard receiver as a rookie, much less assured of hitting?
 

Yeah the only reason people are bitching is because BOB obviously had a hard-on for David Johnson and settled for a 2nd.  There is no other explanation.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Doc

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

A trade basically leaves the player with no guaranteed money left on his deal aside from guaranteed base salary.

 

A restructure is common to convert future base salary into signing bonus to add some incentives if the player wasn’t jazzed about being moved.

 

True bandit but Diggs has so many years left on his contract that he has a lot of guaranteed money in the details plus game bonuses.

His 2020 salary is completely guaranteed Friday.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The funniest part is they would gladly take a WR at 20th overall, which is what the value of the picks is.  On someone wholly unproven and probably the 4th or 5th best WR in the draft.

 

Yeah but he wouldn't be a malcontent for at least a year or 2...

[ngbills]

22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Imagine if another AFC team had made the trade with the same round compensation. The cries of “ why weren’t the Bills in on this ? “ would be deafening. 

I would bet big $ that most on this board would be saying "wow, they gave up a ton for Diggs and he is not even a top 10 WR, is a head case and does not fit the process.  I am good sticking with Brown, Beasley and Lamb/Jeudy/Riggs".

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

I think most people are "hoping" the guy picked at #22 or higher if trading up would be better than Diggs. Obviously no certainty but the build up to the draft is about these guys being generational talents etc. Diggs is good but not top 5 WR good which is what Lamb or Jeudy could be. 

 

I wanted Ruggs, but I got Diggs . I think Lamb will be better than Jeudy, but at the end of the day do I need a top 5 guy? Not so much. Diggs is a YAC monster, great route runner and quick separation - all day long I will take that; it's exactly what we need

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I think most people are "hoping" the guy picked at #22 or higher if trading up would be better than Diggs. Obviously no certainty but the build up to the draft is about these guys being generational talents etc. Diggs is good but not top 5 WR good which is what Lamb or Jeudy could be. 

How in the ***** can you POSSIBLY know that.....they have not played a DOWN in the NFL

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Yeah but he wouldn't be a malcontent for at least a year or 2...

 

Well then, he'd have that in common with Diggs.

 

4 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I would bet big $ that most on this board would be saying "wow, they gave up a ton for Diggs and he is not even a top 10 WR, is a head case and does not fit the process.  I am good sticking with Brown, Beasley and Lamb/Jeudy/Riggs".

 

So you'd be fine trading away the Bills' 1st and 2nd rounder this year to get Jeudy or Ruggs (Lamb and Ruggs or Jeudy will go before pick 14)?  Because that's what it will take. 

 

Oh and Diggs is a top-10 WR.

Edited March 17, 2020 by Doc

[ngbills]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

How in the ***** can you POSSIBLY know that.....they have not played a DOWN in the NFL

Thats what people want and hope for...doesnt mean they are gonna get it. Just like drafting Allen vs signing a Kirk Cousins. You hope Allen will be better than a Cousins but no guarantees.

[stinky finger]

20 hours ago, DJB said:

Wow!

 

 

And my reaction after I found out the compensation 

 

 

Read this last night. Had to come back. 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I would bet big $ that most on this board would be saying "wow, they gave up a ton for Diggs and he is not even a top 10 WR, is a head case and does not fit the process.  I am good sticking with Brown, Beasley and Lamb/Jeudy/Riggs".

Lol, I would doubt that. No guarantee they could get Jeudy or Lamb, even Ruggs for that matter. They are complete unknowns at the NFL level, to boot. There’s a good chance one or more of them is a bust. The team has a 3rd year QB that they need to make a decision on in Josh Allen and need to give him plug and play weapons. This was the 31 st, then 23rd ranked offense in football. They don’t have time to wait, as their window has already opened. They gave up scratch off tickets for proven talent. 

Edited March 17, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Packaging the Bills' 1st and 2nd rounders this year doesn't even get you to 13.  Is anyone confident that the top-3 WR's would be there at 14 since it's a move that would likely need to be made before the draft?  And then would any of them be a 1,000 yard receiver as a rookie, much less assured of hitting?
 

Yeah the only reason people are bitching is because BOB obviously had a hard-on for David Johnson and settled for a 2nd.  There is no other explanation.

 

Tell me about it - 13ish is where I felt comfortable, but it was unlikely to be enough and then you have to jump in front of teams who will pick higher than you - does that team really want to drop down that far? Do you want to give up 1-3 or next year's 1 - if I was forced to I would have thought hard about it (and I did) those are the 3 elites. They have theast amount of question marks and need less work to be NFL ready and give Josh the best shot this year. This move saves picks, gives you exactly what we need, Diggs is proven and we can hit the ground running and really find out what we have in Allen. I didn't think a 1 would be enough. It is perfect, it really is!

 

You can't even compare the 2 situations due top his incompetence. Obviously no other teams were involved, because he would have ended up with a bounty of picks

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Well then, he'd have that in common with Diggs.

 

 

So you'd be fine trading away the Bills' 1st and 2nd rounder this year to get Jeudy or Ruggs (Lamb and Ruggs or Jeudy will go before pick 14)?  Because that's what it will take. 

 

Oh and Diggs is a top-10 WR.

 

Diggs has the head start.

[Cripple Creek]

38 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

As was mentioned upstream, people were saying he's getting a new deal from the Bills.

So, people don't know nothing?  Or is it coming?

[aristocrat]

any doctors on the board?  i've had a certain....issue...since last night and the commercials say after 4 hours go see a doc. will it's going on 24 hours soon.  go bills

[MAJBobby]

15 minutes ago, FLFan said:

I just do not think immediate renegotiation is the style of Beane.  They are in a different space now than when Whaley traded for McCoy and felt compelled to immediately redo his contract for more money to make sure he was happy.  The Bills are establishing a pay for performance culture.  Very clear from their actions over the past few years.  Right now Diggs has a fair contract with 4 years remaining.  If he earns a new deal based on his performance and his blend with the team, I am sure he will get it at the appropriate time.  

I am thinking more of lowering the cap hits. An easy restructuring does that. 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Tell me about it - 13ish is where I felt comfortable, but it was unlikely to be enough and then you have to jump in front of teams who will pick higher than you - does that team really want to drop down that far? Do you want to give up 1-3 or next year's 1 - if I was forced to I would have thought hard about it (and I did) those are the 3 elites. They have theast amount of question marks and need less work to be NFL ready and give Josh the best shot this year. This move saves picks, gives you exactly what we need, Diggs is proven and we can hit the ground running and really find out what we have in Allen. I didn't think a 1 would be enough. It is perfect, it really is!

 

You can't even compare the 2 situations due top his incompetence. Obviously no other teams were involved, because he would have ended up with a bounty of picks

 

That's too much to give up for a guy with no guarantee of hitting.  Been there, done that.  I was resigned to the Bills either taking the best )4th or 5th) WR left or going DE at 22.  This is much better.

 

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Diggs has the head start.

 

Really?  I haven't heard about him quitting on his team...

Edited March 17, 2020 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

That's too much to give up for a guy with no guarantee of hitting.  Been there, done that.  I was resigned to the Bills either taking the best )4th or 5th) WR left or going DE at 22.  This is much better.

 

 

Really?  I haven't heard about him quitting on his team...

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/06/vikings-fine-stefon-diggs-missed-practices

[JoPoy88]

27 minutes ago, mattynh said:

They didn't mortgage the draft because they still have 7 picks?  There is no first round pick left, they gave up #22 plus 3 other picks.  That #22 is an impact player that is a bargain for 4 years with a 5th year option.  Arizona got a better player for a #2.  I would have preferred not giving up a #1.  I dont think its all that relevant how many they had, they earned those...you dont go around giving away picks because you have extra.   I think the compensation was too much but I like the player.  I will move on, nothing I can do.

you really, really should move on. The fact that you characterize the deal as “giving picks away” speaks volumes. Giving something away usually means you received nothing in return, at least nothing of value. That couldn’t be further from the truth in this case. So please, yes, move on. 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

So, people don't know nothing?  Or is it coming?

 

I'd believe Wawrow.  And as I mentioned, there are severe penalties for holding out.

 

2 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

any doctors on the board?  i've had a certain....issue...since last night and the commercials say after 4 hours go see a doc. will it's going on 24 hours soon.  go bills

 

Rub some dirt on it and take a lap.

[John from Riverside]

8 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Thats what people want and hope for...doesnt mean they are gonna get it. Just like drafting Allen vs signing a Kirk Cousins. You hope Allen will be better than a Cousins but no guarantees.

The whole problem with this?

 

You know what Diggs is gonna give you because he has consistantly proven it.....and he is in his prime years back to back 1000 yard seasons on a RUN FIRST team......

 

So.....theoretically the top 2 WR in this draft MIGHT be better then DIggs.....but in real life you KNOW what your getting with Diggs which is a number 1 NFL receiver

 

 

[stinky finger]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yeah but he wouldn't be a malcontent for at least a year or 2...

 

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That's too much to give up for a guy with no guarantee of hitting.  Been there, done that.  I was resigned to the Bills either taking the best WR left or going DE.  This is much better.

 

 

Really?  I haven't heard about him quitting on his team...

 

That makes two of you. 

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/06/vikings-fine-stefon-diggs-missed-practices

 

We talkin' 'bout practice...

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

We talkin' 'bout practice...

 

Talking about his team, doc.  Asked and answered...

[ngbills]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The whole problem with this?

 

You know what Diggs is gonna give you because he has consistantly proven it.....and he is in his prime years back to back 1000 yard seasons on a RUN FIRST team......

 

So.....theoretically the top 2 WR in this draft MIGHT be better then DIggs.....but in real life you KNOW what your getting with Diggs which is a number 1 NFL receiver

 

 

I am usually on the opposite end of this thing when the Bills dont make the trade. Saying exactly what you said - if we can get player xyz you take that over the unknown draft pick. And I am usually met with - This FO values draft picks, too much talent in the draft, thats not how you build a team, etc etc.

 

I was clamoring at the trade deadline to add a WR or pass rusher. I dont know how many people said we arent giving up a draft pick. I think many of those were specifically talking about Diggs and Hopkins. 

Edited March 17, 2020 by ngbills

[OldTimer1960]

22 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I would bet big $ that most on this board would be saying "wow, they gave up a ton for Diggs and he is not even a top 10 WR, is a head case and does not fit the process.  I am good sticking with Brown, Beasley and Lamb/Jeudy/Riggs".

But you weren’t getting Lamb, Jeudy or Ruggs with those picks.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Talking about his team, doc.  Asked and answered...

 

Let me know when he misses games, much less because he wants more guaranteed money and not because he wants the football more.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Virgil]

Has Diggs made any public comments about the trade yet?

[Mat68]

31 minutes ago, mattynh said:

They didn't mortgage the draft because they still have 7 picks?  There is no first round pick left, they gave up #22 plus 3 other picks.  That #22 is an impact player that is a bargain for 4 years with a 5th year option.  Arizona got a better player for a #2.  I would have preferred not giving up a #1.  I dont think its all that relevant how many they had, they earned those...you dont go around giving away picks because you have extra.   I think the compensation was too much but I like the player.  I will move on, nothing I can do.

1.  No one knows what teams  also made offers for Hopkins.

 

2.  What impact player is there at 22?  

 

3.  Cost is relative.  Having the picks gained from the Bodine and Teller trades greatly eases the cost.  The value cart formaula says the value of the picks added up to 18. 

 

4.  One of the teams Buffalo outbid for Diggs was New England.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I am usually on the opposite end of this thing when the Bills dont make the trade. Saying exactly what you said - if we can get player xyz you take that over the unknown draft pick. And I am usually met with - This FO values draft picks, too much talent in the draft, thats not how you build a team, etc etc.

 

I was clamoring at the trade deadline to add a WR or pass rusher. I dont know how many people said we arent giving up a draft pick. I think many of those were specifically talking about Diggs and Hopkins. 

 

...because the Bills haven't been active in FA these past 3 years, sometimes trading picks...

 

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

But you weren’t getting Lamb, Jeudy or Ruggs with those picks.

 

You might not even have gotten Higgins.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I am usually on the opposite end of this thing when the Bills dont make the trade. Saying exactly what you said - if we can get player xyz you take that over the unknown draft pick. And I am usually met with - This FO values draft picks, too much talent in the draft, thats not how you build a team, etc etc.

 

I was clamoring at the trade deadline to add a WR or pass rusher. I dont know how many people said we arent giving up a draft pick. I think many of those were specifically talking about Diggs and Hopkins. 

I don’t think there was any talk of Hopkins being available last season at the trade deadline. There were talks of Diggs, Sanders et al. We don’t know what the price was then but you can expect it was high. Teams hadn’t had a chance to check out the draft crop at the combine yet, either. All these things were factors in making the trade now, but perhaps being more wary at the deadline. Fwiw, the Bills were one of the final teams bidding for Sanders. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

Has Diggs made any public comments about the trade yet?

 

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

1.  No one knows what teams  also made offers for Hopkins.

 

2.  What impact player is there at 22?  

 

3.  Cost is relative.  Having the picks gained from the Bodine and Teller trades greatly eases the cost.  The value cart formaula says the value of the picks added up to 18. 

 

4.  One of the teams Buffalo outbid for Diggs was New England.

 

The Bills still have a 5th and 2-6ths.  If people think there's some HOF'er waiting to be picked in the 5th and/or 6th round, they still have a shot at him/them...