wppete Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 $8 - $9million for Shaq I’ll sign him right away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 awesome : D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I could see a Shaq deal done for $8-9 mil and would be happy with that. This would not upset anyone on the team nor would it prohibit a DE high in the draft. Like to see more of a quick explosive DE targeted. Jerry has one more year left in him I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Spiderweb said: I too don't see Phillips getting anywhere near the 9.5 mostly delayed clean up sacks. His run stopping performance was poor. I had hope for the big man but maybe it would be best to let him get someone to overpay. At 6-8 mill maybe, but I'd much prefer a DJ Reader type, If not DJ himself being objective , I hope. He might actually become more well rounded and improved playing for the Bills another couple years. But i am not sure i would take that risk if Bills can find improvement via FA or even better? The Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 I'd like to see the Bills re-sign Shaq. I think Phillips is a problem for the Bills on the roster. No, not his attitude, which is just fine, but Phillips is a one gap three tech penetrator, who isn't very good in run defense. The Bills have what they think is a future star at 3 tech in Ed Oliver. Oliver has more upside as an all around pass rushing and run stopping 3 tech DT. They need a rotational guy behind Oliver, but they aren't going to want to pay him 8 - 9 million and have him be a liability at run defense. Shaq is a different story. He's probably never going to be a starter in the Bills plans, but he is an all around player as a rotational guy, and he can start if need be. Moreover, he's got the ability to play inside as a pass rushing DT on passing downs. It's that "all around" quality and extra versatility that makes him a more desirable signing than Phillips. If Phillips tests the market and finds he can't get the deal he wants, I'd have no problem if he comes back and plays for 5-6 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 7 hours ago, CNY315 said: Why does Shaq get that much less than Williams? He doesn't. 8-9 mil for Lawson? Not a single chance in the world. 4 hours ago, Logic said: Did you read my response above? First of all, I think the Bills would like a defensive tackle who plays BETTER than Phillips did last year. His sacks were great, sure, but his overall pressures percentage and play against the run often left much to be desired. Spotrac's valuation prediction of Phillips has him at $6.1 million a year, which backs up what I just said above. To say that getting him at $9million would be a "steal" doesn't make any sense to me. Phillips is the inverse of Shaq in terms of what the board expects they'll receive. I wouldn't be shocked if Phillips could be had for less than 7 mil/per, which would definitely be do-able. Teams are going to be awfully leery of those 5 FULL SEASONS of nothing prior to 2019. JMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Was your thread title intentional, mixing sports with Jordan and Shaq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: This report was fake. Leonard Williams has not agreed to any deal. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_of_leonard_williams_signing_extension_with_giants_was_false/s1_127_31513007 That contract would have been another Gettleman special. First, overpay your cross-town rival with 3rd and 5th picks for a one-dimensional player that his former team was desperate to unload and then compound the mistake by throwing a pile of cash at said player. A deal this bad could still transpire if there is nobody in the Giants' front office who can save Gettleman from himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 6 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: This report was fake. Leonard Williams has not agreed to any deal. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/report_of_leonard_williams_signing_extension_with_giants_was_false/s1_127_31513007 And just like that crazy season has begun...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 12 hours ago, CNY315 said: Why does Shaq get that much less than Williams? Because he's not nearly as good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty75 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said: What the hell has Leonard Williams ever done to deserve 12 mil a year? Shaq and JP are both better. Clearly I agree at 100%, it’s a bad contract for the Giants he didn’t show since he came in the NFL that he deserves that kind of money. I hope that we will be able to keep Shaq and for a reasonable price for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 williams has the talent to outperform that contract but he's gotta be in the right situation to do that. the jets have been a tire fire so let's see if the giants can give him direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) Um - fake news from Forbes? Edited March 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 18 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: interesting contrast in our view points ? and i often agree with you. But i feel the opposite almost Here's why I feel that way. Shaq has been with the team since the whaley era. He really didn't have a great season until last year, and I feel like it was more of a prove himself type season. Phillips got picked up off waivers in 2018 and instantly came in and made a difference. Then came back this past season and was even better. Ideally I'd love to have them both back, but not sure that's possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Shaq is a journeyman....adequate most of the time.....he needs to be paid that way. I don't know the numbers, but, I wont cry if he leaves. He was round 1, and has not played to that level yet. A B- player, not a B or and A grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, MJS said: Because he's not nearly as good? Shaq has been better the last two years Edited March 9, 2020 by CNY315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Shaq to me is the guy you want as a DE #2. Stout against the run, and can get some pressure (Phil Hansen). We need a Bruce on the other side. We need more sacks, etc. In terms of interior line, I agree with the poster that said paying slightly more for Reader would be better than getting Phillips back. Reader is a jackknife (can play all over), solid against the run, and can get some pressure. Perfect guy next to Oliver. And interior pressure if better than outside pressure, and I like how the FO seems to be focusing on that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 18 hours ago, BillsFan17 said: Chad Forbes is not a legit source and the reports of Williams resigning were infact false. Like I said yesterday, Forbes is not a legit source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 31 minutes ago, CNY315 said: Shaq has been better the last two years Is there measurable evidence to that? For one thing, they play different positions. Williams had 5 sacks in 2018 and Shaq only had 4. Williams had more tackles the past two years. Shaq had more sacks in 2019, but he's an edge rusher, so he SHOULD be getting more sacks than a defensive tackle. Williams had 36 QB hits the past two years. Shaq had 30. It seems to me like Williams has the better stats especially given the position differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Um - fake news from Forbes? Yeah, it was fake news. Ah, the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Um - fake news from Forbes? Why in the world would a rebuilding team waste a draft pick on a guy who they will let test free agency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Just now, GG said: Why in the world would a rebuilding team waste a draft pick on a guy who they will let test free agency? Because Gettleman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 3/8/2020 at 2:52 PM, Doc Brown said: You'd have to bank on Harry moving to a 3 technique then. Or draft/sign somebody else to fill that role. We got a guy if push comes to shove then Oliver will just play more snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Captain Murica Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I was just going to link this. I Don’t know why these guys even respond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122hero Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 oof, this might be a touchy subject but I'd take Shaq over Phillips 10x over. (I only say touchy because I haven't been on here since the season. Not sure what the pulse is) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Steptide said: Here's why I feel that way. Shaq has been with the team since the whaley era. He really didn't have a great season until last year, and I feel like it was more of a prove himself type season. Phillips got picked up off waivers in 2018 and instantly came in and made a difference. Then came back this past season and was even better. Ideally I'd love to have them both back, but not sure that's possible Oh i would like them both back as well. but i feel they both want to get Paid . As well they should. In Buffalo they are rotational players. By design. The pay day is likely somewhere else. I would like to work harder on Lawson just because he started his NFL here. albeit drafted by a previously questionable regime lol But he does seem to hustle. and he has come on last two years Contract year Hustle ? I will leave that to the experts at One Bills Drive Edited March 10, 2020 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Oh i would like them both back as well. but i feel they both want to get Paid . As well they should. In Buffalo they are rotational players. By design. The pay day is likely somewhere else. I would like to worker harder on Lawson just because he started his NFL here. albeit drafted by a previously questionable regime lol But he does seem to hustle. Contract year Hustle ? I will leave that to the experts at One Bills Drive Let Shaq walk and get someone better in Emmanuel Ogbah if elect to go younger than Mario Addison, that said think the latter could be here as the connection to McDermott our new D-line coach and Beane was the one who got him for Carolina to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Let Shaq walk and get someone better in Emmanuel Ogbah if elect to go younger than Mario Addison, that said think the latter could be here as the connection to McDermott our new D-line coach and Beane was the one who got him for Carolina to begin with. so you feel the edge rush will come va FA ? No Yannick for you : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: so you feel the edge rush will come va FA ? No Yannick for you : ) Yannick and Clowney are cap killers, I can't see Beane destroying what he's built already on a big name. I think we add one in UFA and another early in the draft. Yet I'd love two through UFA namely Addison and Jordan Jenkins. Edited March 10, 2020 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Yannick and Clowney are cap killers, I can't see Beane destroying what he's built already on a big name. I think we add one in UFA and another early in the draft. Yet I'd love two through UFA namely Addison and Jordan Jenkins. I appreciate your position here . Beanes will be smart with money I expect , at this point. Still holes to fill and youth to develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 16 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Yannick and Clowney are cap killers, I can't see Beane destroying what he's built already on a big name. I think we add one in UFA and another early in the draft. Yet I'd love two through UFA namely Addison and Jordan Jenkins. You dont build cap space for the sake of keeping cap space. You build cap space by jettisoning the previous admins contracts so you have cap space to work with and spend yourself. He made Morse the highest paid Center last offseason. And that's at the Center position. Pass Rushers make more and he knows that. You build that cap space in order to sign guys like Yannick or Clowney. You can be smart with money AND spend it at the same time. This whole "Beane doesnt/wont spend money" is the 2nd worst meme on this board right behind "Not a Process Guy". (Not picking on you specifically for this) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This whole "Beane doesnt/wont spend money" is the 2nd worst meme on this board right behind "Not a Process Guy". (Not picking on you specifically for this) Or the Big WR who is open even when he is covered - that was Buddy for christsakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Or the Big WR who is open even when he is covered - that was Buddy for christsakes Well, I think we've all been waiting for one of those for a couple decades. ANYONE who is willing to get up and fight for a ball and take it personally with a little swagger. Not sure why the Bills cant find guys like that when it seems every other team can. Maybe because those types arent "Process Guys"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Well, I think we've all been waiting for one of those for a couple decades. ANYONE who is willing to get up and fight for a ball and take it personally with a little swagger. Not sure why the Bills cant find guys like that when it seems every other team can. Maybe because those types arent "Process Guys"? I just want a guy who can get separtaion quickly, catch and pile up the YAC 5'11" or bigger and 4.4ish (or faster) speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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