CeeDee Lamb or bust.

[ScorpionZero]

42 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Wait. You're having Brown do the underneath work and sending Beasley deep? Is...is this Steve Fairchild?

No Fairchild sucked, I'm basically saying that the offense opens up, immensely. 

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Their third (Pick 86)  would get you from 22 to 18-19..  a bit below your target area... He might go this if they are super keen on a guy still there and to get ahead of Eagles.. I would be surprised if he gave up more to move up for a WR but I'll wait and see...

Dont forget the pick he traded to move up for Edmunds was 65...

 

 

we don't have many true needs, many can potentially be solved in UFA. Many of the later rounds picks won't make the team either. I'm not saying we should definitely trade up either, I would if the player is available at realistic pick (I'm not trading up #2 for Young)

[QCity]

1 hour ago, ScorpionZero said:

 Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. 

 

 

[Buffalo Junction]

26 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

the gap between the top 3 and the rest is pretty big and #22 is a tough spot to be in, most likely yes WRs drafted in later rounds will develop nicely, but they will take more work and very likely more time (1-2 years), which shrinks the impact they can have this season and help us understand if Josh is the guy or not. Diggs makes a lot of sense, mainly due to his young age and he is proven...

There are a few others that could potentially start day 1, but they don’t check all the boxes. Van Jefferson and J Jefferson for example could be plug and play. Flipside is high floor, lower ceiling. Reagor can probably start, but he’s similar to John Brown. Shenault and Bowden would instantly take McKenzies spot, but they’re likely not day 1 outside receivers. 22 might be a rough spot to be for WR. Of course, Beane could always go another rout if talent drops. Hopefully some of these WRs separate themselves during the combine. 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

1 hour ago, ScorpionZero said:

You don't remember all the prognosticators calling the Falcons nuts for moving up to draft Jones. How is this any different. 

 

The Falcons didn't mortgage their future, and send their franchise into another 4-5 year tailspin of gloom and frustration. Other than that, no different. 

[Aussie Joe]

11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

we don't have many true needs, many can potentially be solved in UFA. Many of the later rounds picks won't make the team either. I'm not saying we should definitely trade up either, I would if the player is available at realistic pick (I'm not trading up #2 for Young)

 

Lot of people are mentioning about all these picks in the 5th and 6th not making the team.. Thats maybe true, but their trade value is limited ...

 

Picks 155, 167, 188, 201 and 207 have a combined value of about 90 points  on the draft chart which is around the value of Pick 103...

 

Given that they have done Ok drafting in the later rounds , I'd rather they throw a few darts and see if they can get a hit or three.. 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Aussie Joe

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I think if both Lamb and Ruggs make it to Denver at 15 we should seriously consider trading up to 16. It would probably take our 2nd. I love both of those prospects so much, part of me wouldn't even hate trading next year's 1st if that's what it takes to get above Denver. I know people would hate it because of how Sammy Watkins worked out but both Lamb and Ruggs are better prospects than he was IMO.

 

One thing to watch is what moves Beane makes after the start of the new league year.  If he makes some trades packaging players with late round picks for earlier round picks, well, we’ll know he wants draft ammunition to move around.

[ScorpionZero]

How often have the bills added talent that hasn't worked out. Wasting first round picks and then some trying to get that next best player. Our team is filled with what iff's We traded down and got tre white, we traded up to get Allen and Edmonds. Why isn't it feasible to go and get a reciever that can change the face of the offense 

[3rdand12]

52 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

the gap between the top 3 and the rest is pretty big and #22 is a tough spot to be in, most likely yes WRs drafted in later rounds will develop nicely, but they will take more work and very likely more time (1-2 years), which shrinks the impact they can have this season and help us understand if Josh is the guy or not. Diggs makes a lot of sense, mainly due to his young age and he is proven...

This is where i am at generally speaking.

 I perhaps should not even post here, as i do not want  WR in the 1st.
 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Remember the last time we traded up in a deep WR class? 

If Josh Allen busts, would you argue against ever trading up for a QB again?

[Bronxbomber21]

Give me Diggs for a 2nd rounder instead 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

How often have the bills added talent that hasn't worked out. Wasting first round picks and then some trying to get that next best player. Our team is filled with what iff's We traded down and got tre white, we traded up to get Allen and Edmonds. Why isn't it feasible to go and get a reciever that can change the face of the offense 

 

Either we have better talent evaluation now, or we’re doomed anyway

 

It’s feasible to go up and get Lamb if Beane and his guys agree with you he’s a Julio Jones/AJ Green type guy.  I’m neither saying it’s right or wrong

 

I just don’t see Beane doing it.

[3rdand12]

48 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

Trading our 1st, 2nd and next year's 1st for a WR in a WR heavy draft is a very bad idea

or even our 1st and  anything at all.

 Not for WR this year.
 

41 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Take DK Metcalf, oh wait...that was last year

even hindsight is not 20 /20

[Billl]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Yeah I am gonna say I dont endorse that unless he seriously drops

 

Beane has just shown he is too good with these draft picks to give up what it would take to get him in a WR draft that probably runs 3 rounds deep with starters

You get average at best talent drafting skill position players in mid rounds.  Everyone on here talks about how Allen and Mahomes would look if you switched their supporting casts.  Then when there’s a potentially elite target that costs what potentially elite targets cost, suddenly everyone’s fine with Great Value brand weapons.

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Remember the last time we traded up in a deep WR class? 

What does that have to do with anything?  The Chiefs didn’t draft a QB in the first round for 34 years because the last one busted so hard.  Should they have passed on Mahomes because a previous GM made a bad pick?  If McBeane thinks he’s the goods, then pull the trigger.  The team was a hair away from winning the first playoff game in 25 years.  The offense put up 19 points in 5 quarters against a team that gave up 7 TDs in 3 quarters a week later.  Adding a true #1 receiver makes every other matchup on the field more favorable.  The team’s window is officially open.  If Josh is the guy, he’s going to start getting really expensive in 2 years.  It’s time to put a finished product on the field now.

[Billl]

11 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Give me Diggs for a 2nd rounder instead 

Diggs would cost pick 22 at a minimum.  Number 1 receivers who are 26 years old with below market contracts don’t come cheap despite what some tweet said.

[3rdand12]

15 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

How often have the bills added talent that hasn't worked out. Wasting first round picks and then some trying to get that next best player. Our team is filled with what iff's We traded down and got tre white, we traded up to get Allen and Edmonds. Why isn't it feasible to go and get a reciever that can change the face of the offense 

Simply because of cost. Moving up in the first to get a desired player carries more risk. and Bill lose their leverage in later rounds an perhaps into next season,

Trading up in the second is more palatable.
Now that Bills are picking later in the round, we need to be more cautious than aggressive please.

Thats said? I want a top DE  in round one  lol

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

Diggs would cost pick 22 at a minimum.  Number 1 receivers who are 26 years old with below market contracts don’t come cheap despite what some tweet said.

Not sure about that

[HappyDays]

50 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I get what you are saying and it’s not far fetched. Maybe Beane goes after Greene if Cincy can’t lock him up, or pulls a trade off for someone we aren’t even thinking about yet. I think Beane is hesitant on drafting wideouts high because he knows they take awhile to develop. I’m not saying it won’t happen, I am making assumptions based on what I have seen thus far from Beane.

 

I do want AJ Green but I suspect Cincinnati won't let him go. There aren't any #1 WRs that will be available in free agency so it's either cross our fingers that Green or Diggs become tradeable, or we draft one.

 

Beane has said over and over again that he needs to find a weapon Allen can trust on every down. Lamb is that weapon. He has insane catch radius and YAC ability. Supposedly he is very competitive too. If we have an opportunity to draft him I don't think Beane will hesitate to trade next year's 1st. This is the year to win. We can't hedge our bets forever.

 

Ruggs I would also like a lot, probably not enough to sacrifice the future though. I'm not sure he fits our offense's biggest need.

[3rdand12]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I do want AJ Green but I suspect Cincinnati won't let him go. There aren't any #1 WRs that will be available in free agency so it's either cross our fingers that Green or Diggs become tradeable, or we draft one.

 

Beane has said over and over again that he needs to find a weapon Allen can trust on every down. Lamb is that weapon. He has insane catch radius and YAC ability. Supposedly he is very competitive too. If we have an opportunity to draft him I don't think Beane will hesitate to trade next year's 1st. This is the year to win. We can't hedge our bets forever.

 

Ruggs I would also like a lot, probably not enough to sacrifice the future though. I'm not sure he fits our offense's biggest need.

I put that on Allen. He might already have one or two of those after watching last season.
 

Off season hopefully will improve the symbiosis. of Allen Brown Beasley Knox et cetera.

Bringing the whole WR room up can be done without drafting for one hard early in the first round imho.
 

[Codyny13]

No way Jose. Sammy was a generational talent too. Not giving up a first to move up for a guy who may not even be the best at his position. 

[njbuff]

No.

 

There are a ton of WR’s in this draft class that can be terrific, so trading up for a WR in this class is about the dumbest thing the Bills can do.

 

Just have to wait and see what the Bills do in FA and the trade market to see where their most pressing needs are and if they wanna trade up in the draft or not.

 

The Bills could easily trade up, but it’s not for a WR in loaded WR draft. That I can assure you of.

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

I believe that we must do whatever it takes to get him for our offense. Because of his ability everyone becomes better. Brown opens up underneath, Knox has space to operate, beasly can work those outs as well as the out and ups. And Singletary won't have 8 in the box because lamb will command a corner and safety on every down. It will cost allot to do it but to have him here to grow with Josh would be the *****. Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. Should get it done plus we can add Mims or Pittman in the third. This year's draft needs to be all about offense. Now you may crucifie me. 

 

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Remember the last time we traded up in a deep WR class? 

 

2 hours ago, Augie said:

So.....two firsts and a second. Maybe we should throw in another first, you know.....just to make sure. 

 

 

Lot’s of WR’s this year. I’m not liking that price. Scout better. 

 

I don’t see ANY possible scenario where we trade a high pick next year for a WR this year in this deep WR class. That just does NOT seem to be their style. 

 

.

For that price we should be able to secure McCaffrey and Cooper Kupp... much better deal! 

[Haplo848]

2 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

You don't remember all the prognosticators calling the Falcons nuts for moving up to draft Jones. How is this any different. 

 

This is very different.  Julio Jones was a better prospect than Lamb.  More importantly, the OTHER draft prospects are incredibly different.  We have probably THE deepest WR class there has ever been coming up this year.  Even if you don't get the top two, you're still probably going to get high impact starters throughout the first two to three rounds of the draft.  In Julio's draft class?  Not so much.  There was him and A.J. Green, then...no one.  The next WR off the board?  Jonathon Baldwin went to the Chiefs at 26.  Titus Young was the fourth WR off the board to the Lions at 44.  Other than Torrey Smith and Randall Cobb who went in the late 2nd round, and who were never great, but more role players, there's not a single other good WR in the draft other than those top 2.  If you did not get one of the top 2 WRs, you essentially didn't get a WR at all in that draft.  

 

Now, if you look at that and still think "Hmm, we should STILL pull a Falcons and make a desperation trade that we hope will work out in order to get one of the top two WR prospects  of the class, when there are PLENTY of slightly lesser prospects" then there's really no hope for you as a scout, and I'm glad you're not part of the Bills' organization.  Keep in mind that it's not "top two WRs," but "top two WR prospects."  There's a definite difference between the two that a lot of people forget.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

You get average at best talent drafting skill position players in mid rounds.  Everyone on here talks about how Allen and Mahomes would look if you switched their supporting casts.  Then when there’s a potentially elite target that costs what potentially elite targets cost, suddenly everyone’s fine with Great Value brand weapons.

What does that have to do with anything?  The Chiefs didn’t draft a QB in the first round for 34 years because the last one busted so hard.  Should they have passed on Mahomes because a previous GM made a bad pick?  If McBeane thinks he’s the goods, then pull the trigger.  The team was a hair away from winning the first playoff game in 25 years.  The offense put up 19 points in 5 quarters against a team that gave up 7 TDs in 3 quarters a week later.  Adding a true #1 receiver makes every other matchup on the field more favorable.  The team’s window is officially open.  If Josh is the guy, he’s going to start getting really expensive in 2 years.  It’s time to put a finished product on the field now.

Deebo samuel

[Haplo848]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

You get average at best talent drafting skill position players in mid rounds.  Everyone on here talks about how Allen and Mahomes would look if you switched their supporting casts.  Then when there’s a potentially elite target that costs what potentially elite targets cost, suddenly everyone’s fine with Great Value brand weapons.

 

You want to be the one to tell JuJu that he's average at best?  How about Tyreek Hill, drafted 166th overall?  Stefon Diggs, #146?  Davante Adams (#53)?  John Brown (#91)?  Keenan Allen (#76)?  T.Y. Hilton (#92)?  Antonio Brown (#192)?  AB may have gone insane this past year, but he was one of the best to play the position.  WR has become the one position where you can find great players all the way through the draft as long as you know what you're looking for.  There are so many different college WRs out there that can each do at least one thing REALLY well.  If that WRs skill set matches up with what you want them to do, you can have a star that was drafted late.

 

Now let's look at the Chiefs WRs:  We have Tyreek Hill drafted in the 5th round, Demarcus Robinson in the 4th, and Mecole Hardman was #56 overall.  Sammy Watkins was their 4th WR, and he was drafted in the top 10.  If you're arguing that we should replicate what the Chiefs have done, you'd be rooting for us to draft those "Great Value brand weapons."

Edited February 21, 2020 by Haplo848

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Haplo848 said:

 

You want to be the one to tell JuJu that he's average at best?  How about Tyreek Hill, drafted 166th overall?  Stefon Diggs, #146?  Davante Adams (#53)?  John Brown (#91)?  Keenan Allen (#76)?  T.Y. Hilton (#92)?  Antonio Brown (#192)?  AB may have gone insane this past year, but he was one of the best to play the position.  WR has become the one position where you can find great players all the way through the draft as long as you know what you're looking for.  There are so many different WRs out there, each of whom can do at least thing REALLY well.  If that WRs skill set matches up with what you want them to do, you can have a star that was drafted late.

 

Now let's look at the Chiefs WRs:  We have Tyreek Hill drafted in the 5th round, Demarcus Robinson in the 4th, and Mecole Hardman was #56 overall.  Sammy Watkins was their 4th WR, and he was drafted in the top 10.  If you're arguing that we should replicate what the Chiefs have done, you'd be rooting for us to draft those "Great Value brand weapons."

 

There’s no cap on scouts! 

 

 If you win at scouting, it’s much easier to win on the field. I like what I’ve seen so far, and hope they prove they have an eye for offensive talent this draft. Singletary was a good start, now nail it with WR.

[Putin]

3 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

I believe that we must do whatever it takes to get him for our offense. Because of his ability everyone becomes better. Brown opens up underneath, Knox has space to operate, beasly can work those outs as well as the out and ups. And Singletary won't have 8 in the box because lamb will command a corner and safety on every down. It will cost allot to do it but to have him here to grow with Josh would be the *****. Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. Should get it done plus we can add Mims or Pittman in the third. This year's draft needs to be all about offense. Now you may crucifie me. 

I would do that in a heartbeat for Chase Young not for a WR in a deep WR draft 

[buffalover4life]

I would Love to trade up for CeeDee. I would not give up more than the additional 2nd pick. The hope would become that some how 1 or both Henry Ruggs and jerry jeudy come off the board before him. allowing him to slip into the teens. 

 

according to the trade value chart

the 13th pick in the draft costs 1150

the 14th pick in the draft cost 1100

 

Our first(780) and second(360) combined come out to 1120..

 

This guy is going to be elite. 

 

Listen to them talk about him in the beginning of the video...

 

[Billl]

49 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Deebo samuel

 

43 minutes ago, Haplo848 said:

 

You want to be the one to tell JuJu that he's average at best?  How about Tyreek Hill, drafted 166th overall?  Stefon Diggs, #146?  Davante Adams (#53)?  John Brown (#91)?  Keenan Allen (#76)?  T.Y. Hilton (#92)?  Antonio Brown (#192)?  AB may have gone insane this past year, but he was one of the best to play the position.  WR has become the one position where you can find great players all the way through the draft as long as you know what you're looking for.  There are so many different college WRs out there that can each do at least one thing REALLY well.  If that WRs skill set matches up with what you want them to do, you can have a star that was drafted late.

 

Now let's look at the Chiefs WRs:  We have Tyreek Hill drafted in the 5th round, Demarcus Robinson in the 4th, and Mecole Hardman was #56 overall.  Sammy Watkins was their 4th WR, and he was drafted in the top 10.  If you're arguing that we should replicate what the Chiefs have done, you'd be rooting for us to draft those "Great Value brand weapons."

So the best way to find star players is to draft them in the middle rounds.  I’ll remember that when everyone here is blaming the offense’s struggles on lack of weapons for Josh.  The Bills have such a great track record of finding WRs that there’s no need to draft a blue chipper.  Just shake the third round game breaking WR tree and grab as many as you can carry.

[buffalover4life]

The video above shows his ability to go get balls that are mostly poorly thrown and then what he does with the ball in his hands with a below average passer

 

He is a playmaker, He is a process guy, They talk about how he would practice different releases when the play was designed to go away from him, making every rep count.

 

This video shows his ball skills with good QBs who give him a better shot to go get it.

 

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, buffalover4life said:

I would Love to trade up for CeeDee. I would not give up more than the additional 2nd pick. The hope would become that some how 1 or both Henry Ruggs and jerry jeudy come off the board before him. allowing him to slip into the teens. 

 

according to the trade value chart

the 13th pick in the draft costs 1150

the 14th pick in the draft cost 1100

 

Our first(780) and second(360) combined come out to 1120..

 

This guy is going to be elite. 

 

Listen to them talk about him in the beginning of the video...

 

There are a ton of WR’s who could be elite from this draft. It’s useless to trade premium draft picks when you are just fine drafting where you are in this WR class.

 

Jalen Reagor, Tee Higgins, Justin Jefferson, for example, are players that would look just as good in a Bills uniform as Lamb.

[whatdrought]

This is a great follow up to the “Sammy Watkins or Bust” thread. Great continuity. 

[buffalover4life]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

There are a ton of WR’s who could be elite from this draft. It’s useless to trade premium draft picks when you are just fine drafting where you are in this WR class.

 

Jalen Reagor, Tee Higgins, Justin Jefferson, for example, are players that would look just as good in a Bills uniform as Lamb.

 

Its mostly about the slam dunk of a pick he is.

 

Everyone else feels more like rolling the dice to me. This organization has had a tendency to fall in love with their guys.

Zay jones, Edmunds, Allen. When they want a guy, they go get him.

 

It could be Henry Ruggs for all I know.

 

Im just saying I wouldn't be shocked if they made a move for their guy. 

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, Billl said:

 

So the best way to find star players is to draft them in the middle rounds.  I’ll remember that when everyone here is blaming the offense’s struggles on lack of weapons for Josh.  The Bills have such a great track record of finding WRs that there’s no need to draft a blue chipper.  Just shake the third round game breaking WR tree and grab as many as you can carry.

For the record.....my pick is a WR in the first round....and I am ok with 3 different receivers at that pick....BUT if we can pick up a very good vet I am ok with taking a developmental guy in the mid rounds to go with that....I would actually take 2 WR's out of this draft regardless.   I do not want to trade up in a deep WR draft.

[Mr. WEO]

I vote "bust"

[Buffalo Junction]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Either we have better talent evaluation now, or we’re doomed anyway

 

It’s feasible to go up and get Lamb if Beane and his guys agree with you he’s a Julio Jones/AJ Green type guy.  I’m neither saying it’s right or wrong

 

I just don’t see Beane doing it.

I still think it’ll be to jump ATL for Epenesa if we move up.

[njbuff]

1 hour ago, buffalover4life said:

 

Its mostly about the slam dunk of a pick he is.

 

Everyone else feels more like rolling the dice to me. This organization has had a tendency to fall in love with their guys.

Zay jones, Edmunds, Allen. When they want a guy, they go get him.

 

It could be Henry Ruggs for all I know.

 

Im just saying I wouldn't be shocked if they made a move for their guy. 

I am more inclined to think that a move up would be for a player that ISN’T a WR.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yeah I am gonna say I dont endorse that unless he seriously drops

 

Beane has just shown he is too good with these draft picks to give up what it would take to get him in a WR draft that probably runs 3 rounds deep with starters

Beane has traded up repeatedly. Why do you think he would stop now?

[John from Riverside]

21 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Beane has traded up repeatedly. Why do you think he would stop now?

He traded up for a qb which most teams to

 

his other trade ups were 2nd round and below

[Bad Things]

18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

He traded up for a qb which most teams to

 

his other trade ups were 2nd round and below

Tremaine Edmunds says G'day!

Edited February 21, 2020 by Bad Things

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, ScorpionZero said:

I believe that we must do whatever it takes to get him for our offense. Because of his ability everyone becomes better. Brown opens up underneath, Knox has space to operate, beasly can work those outs as well as the out and ups. And Singletary won't have 8 in the box because lamb will command a corner and safety on every down. It will cost allot to do it but to have him here to grow with Josh would be the *****. Our 1st,2nd, and next year's 1st. Should get it done plus we can add Mims or Pittman in the third. This year's draft needs to be all about offense. Now you may crucifie me. 

 

 

The minute you say, "do whatever it takes," whatever you're arguing for takes a hit.

 

Be great to get a vintage Corvette. But if it took killing a guy and paying four times the normal price, it's not worth it.

 

If he's available at #22 and they like him, that would be great. If they want to skip up a spot or three and it doesn't cost too much, again great. But there are too many really good receivers in this draft to do something silly like give up a lot of value.

 

 

2 hours ago, Bad Things said:

Tremaine Edmunds says G'day!

 

 

Hmm? He said the other trades were 2nd round or below. That includes the Edmunds trade.

 

Baltimore gave up 16th and 54th and Buffalo gave up 22nd and 65 (a 3rd rounder). He's correct.

 

And his point stands. The Allen trade is the one where they really gave up serious value. The Edmunds trade, done with the leftovers of the prep they did to bring in draft capital for the Allen trade, was second and below that there's another fairly significant drop. Beane seems willing to give up picks, but he's pretty stingy with picks from the first couple of days.

Edited February 21, 2020 by Thurman#1