The Airplane Seat Incident.

[shrader]

9 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Guys plowing kids, women, the elderly, anyone, back into their seats to deplane ahead of those in rows ahead of them. WTF is that rudeness ?

 

I've body blocked quite a few and will continue to do so. And then, if the opportunity is there, I let out anyone in front of me out who is still waiting.

 

My wife hates when I do the body block thing, but I don't care. 

 

I've started to subtly block people too.  The people who jump up and rush the front the second the plane stops, that's one thing, but the last second rushers are the worst.  I had one recently where I was back in the last 3rd of the plane.  Seats emptied out normally one row at a time.  But then when it got to be my chance, the guy directly behind me suddenly jumped up and forced his way past me.  And of course he then had to get a bag from the overhead that was way too big and was stuck.

 

Never again, I'm blocking those tools.

[Kirby Jackson]

9 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Guys plowing kids, women, the elderly, anyone, back into their seats to deplane ahead of those in rows ahead of them. WTF is that rudeness ?

 

I've body blocked quite a few and will continue to do so. And then, if the opportunity is there, I let out anyone in front of me out who is still waiting.

 

My wife hates when I do the body block thing, but I don't care. 

Not all heroes wear capes

2 hours ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Exactly.....it may be annoying, but how are you going to get pissed off at someone for using the seat for what it was designed to do. 

Your car can drive 200 MPH too, it doesn’t mean you should do it

[plenzmd1]

15 hours ago, Needle said:

I have reclined and have had others recline in front of me. It never bothered me and I never would have thought it was being rude to others. I don't fully understand the complaint of losing a couple inches of dead space. It seems like plenty of people agree that it's rude, so that's enough for me to ditch it.

My complaint is not that theperson in front reclines, it is the person in front an hour into the flight who just hits the button and slams back with no warning, blowing up your laptop. And yes that has happened to me..2x after politely asking as we settle in and i tap the person in front and say " i am going to be doing some work on my laptop, no worries if you recline, but if you could kindly give me a heads up it would be greatly appreciated"...they they just forget and boom goes the laptop

13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

And they become public enemy number 1 for saving 11 seconds. I despise that person so much!! We’ve all been sitting on this flight for _____ hours and we all want to get off of this damn plane. We get off from the 1st row to the last row; you don’t get to skip a handful of rows.

I will say that I like, and respect, when for some reason you have delayed at your destination but you know your connecting airport is on time...I like when he attendants plead with people.."if you have thirty minutes or more, please let people with tight connections deplane first". Everyone then seems to get it, and i am fine to sit an extra 7 minutes if it means some one makes their flight. 

 

Couple summers ago we missed a connection to Rome bu 2 minutesthat ended up  costing us 36 hours ...minutes matter sometime

12 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

My Airplane Seat Incident:

 

I don't like when I get reclined on and I try not to recline on others. But it is what it is.

 

Last summer a guy in front of me turned around and asked me whether I minded if he reclined. For the first time ever, I didn't mind at all.

 

 

If i am going to recline, I ALWAYS turn around and dont ask for permission, but just give a heads up I am going to recline. I think I have reclined 2 times in my past 100 flights? And thats has been only cause i have to get work done, person in front me is reclined, and i have to get room to get laptop open

[dpberr]

I'd ban them both from my airline. 

 

He gets banned for his behavior on the plane.  She gets banned for her behavior after the incident.

 

These two people didn't even make an effort at being chill passengers to one another, and that's why they both would never fly with me again.  

[teef]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

Is this on the table?

well...what have you got?

[Seasons1992]

I pay for the "extra legroom" seats in Coach. It's worth my sanity when some a-hole thinks they're the only one on the plane. And I get free booze, and it comes QUICKLY. 

 @Augie @Royale with Cheese @Boyst62

 

The only time I recline is if I know the plane isn't full and there is NO ONE behind me once the flight takes off. 

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

I pay for the "extra legroom" seats in Coach. It's worth my sanity when some a-hole thinks they're the only one on the plane. And I get free booze, and it comes QUICKLY. 

 @Augie @Royale with Cheese @Boyst62

 

The only time I recline is if I know the plane isn't full and there is NO ONE behind me once the flight takes off. 

I flew Alligient to Nashville, and they have these newfangled really thin seats...and i loved em! Gave you more legroom. I loved that flight. Would 100% fly them again!

 

And i get free booze too..i bring enough airplane bottles on to sink a ship!

 

And next time, make sure you go drinking with me! 20 somethin hot bartenders with Daddy Issues all dig me, never wait for a drink! Might be that i tip big too, unlike those those 3 cheap bastards you mention above 

Edited February 19, 2020 by plenzmd1

[row_33]

you have to surrender 100% to the hassles and nonsense that a plane flight is going to give you, especially if you have voluntarily entered into the flight

 

some days you don't have the mojo to handle it gracefully, some days the hassles would destroy the patience of everyone involved

 

don't be the person who is remembered as going overboard the most...

 

 

 

 

[teef]

15 minutes ago, row_33 said:

you have to surrender 100% to the hassles and nonsense that a plane flight is going to give you, especially if you have voluntarily entered into the flight

 

some days you don't have the mojo to handle it gracefully, some days the hassles would destroy the patience of everyone involved

 

don't be the person who is remembered as going overboard the most...

 

 

 

 

this is where i'm at with it.  sometimes flying is just awful and you have to deal.

22 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

I pay for the "extra legroom" seats in Coach. It's worth my sanity when some a-hole thinks they're the only one on the plane. And I get free booze, and it comes QUICKLY. 

 @Augie @Royale with Cheese @Boyst62

 

The only time I recline is if I know the plane isn't full and there is NO ONE behind me once the flight takes off. 

see...i've paid for the upgrade for the free booze, and it was a complete waste of money.  they started the cart service late, and only came to me once.  I literally didn't have an opportunity to have more than one drink.  it's happened twice to me.

[plenzmd1]

21 minutes ago, teef said:

this is where i'm at with it.  sometimes flying is just awful and you have to deal.

see...i've paid for the upgrade for the free booze, and it was a complete waste of money.  they started the cart service late, and only came to me once.  I literally didn't have an opportunity to have more than one drink.  it's happened twice to me.

BRING YOUR OWN BOOZE ON THE PLANE!!!!

 

it is 100% legal to bring as many of those airplane bottles that ya want on the plane!. Not legal to drink them, but if discrete no one will give a rats behind!  I don't like takeoff and turbulence, and that's when i need a little liquid courage. Only to have it at those times is to have in your bag!

 

Also, for you single guys having one of those as an extra is a good conversation starter with the young ladies who may be seated in a row with you!

[sherpa]

10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

BRING YOUR OWN BOOZE ON THE PLANE!!!!

 

it is 100% legal to bring as many of those airplane bottles that ya want on the plane!. Not legal to drink them, but if discrete no one will give a rats behind!  I don't like takeoff and turbulence, and that's when i need a little liquid courage. Only to have it at those times is to have in your bag!

 

Also, for you single guys having one of those as an extra is a good conversation starter with the young ladies who may be seated in a row with you!

 

This is REALLY bad advice.

If you plan drinking your own alcohol on an airplane, bring your checkbook.

Edited February 19, 2020 by sherpa

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[teef]

28 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

BRING YOUR OWN BOOZE ON THE PLANE!!!!

 

it is 100% legal to bring as many of those airplane bottles that ya want on the plane!. Not legal to drink them, but if discrete no one will give a rats behind!  I don't like takeoff and turbulence, and that's when i need a little liquid courage. Only to have it at those times is to have in your bag!

 

Also, for you single guys having one of those as an extra is a good conversation starter with the young ladies who may be seated in a row with you!

i had no idea they let you do this.  they even let you bring it on in your carry on?  hell if i can bring it on, no one will even see me making mixed drink.  i just figured carrying any booze through airport security was a no no.

[Simon]

16 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I will NEVER recline my seat because I hate when someone does it to me. No one likes that. If everyone took the “do unto others” approach we’d never have to worry about reclined seats

 

You're operating under a very false assumption. 

I couldn't care less if somebody in front of me puts their seat back and there appears to be several folks in this thread who feel the same way.

Until recently I had always operated under the assumption that nobody cared if I put my seat back because I didn't care if the person in front of me did it.

So the "do unto others" approach does not work here because different folks have different views on what they view as intolerable.

[plenzmd1]

40 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

This is REALLY bad advice.

If you plan drinking your own alcohol on an airplane, bring your checkbook.

 

17 minutes ago, teef said:

i had no idea they let you do this.  they even let you bring it on in your carry on?  hell if i can bring it on, no one will even see me making mixed drink.  i just figured carrying any booze through airport security was a no no.

Been doing since 07 when i started flying a lot for work. Has to be in the airplane bottles, or really any container under 3 ozs. I always have at least 7-10 in my backpack when traveling, have never once been asked about it or asked to dispose of them  by TSA. On the plane , just don't be an ass about it, drink discretely from the bottle or very discretely with mixer..and dont get drunk!

 

@sherpa, why do think such a bad idea? 

[The Avenger]

With all the talk about this topic I've found that the side you're on seems to correlate pretty closely with how tall you are.

 

As a taller person with long legs, I hate it when people recline and I almost never recline myself (what's the point - you get about 5 degrees in coach these days).

 

I have had the person in front of me recline and it sucks - my knees are pretty much all the way up to the seat in front of me to begin with, so when someone reclines the seat is actually digging into my knees - it's painful and goes beyond the minimal comfort I think I should be afforded as a paying passenger, That said, it's an airline problem, not the problem of the person in front of me - they were sold a seat they were told they could recline. I'd love to see the airlines just block all seats from reclining so that everybody knew what to expect and we didn't have these battles breaking out - they're ridiculous.

 

 

[sherpa]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

 

Been doing since 07 when i started flying a lot for work. Has to be in the airplane bottles, or really any container under 3 ozs. I always have at least 7-10 in my backpack when traveling, have never once been asked about it or asked to dispose of them  by TSA. On the plane , just don't be an ass about it, drink discretely from the bottle or very discretely with mixer..and dont get drunk!

 

@sherpa, why do think such a bad idea? 

 

Because it is illegal, and while you may have gotten away with it, its liking drinking and driving.

You can do it a hundred times with no repercussions, but get caught, and the fines are huge.

 

What you may not be considering is the dynamic and context of doing that.

If one person spots you, smells you or anything else that points to this, and they report it to a flight attendant, they could lose their job if they don't act on it and the "reporter" decides to may a case of it.

 

If you're willing to bet that much on your fellow passengers, that's your call.

[Logic]

I'm a bit  late to this discussion, but...

I never even CONSIDERED the idea that people might find reclining on an airplane to be impolite. I'm pretty easily irritated when it comes to flight etiquette. I will speak up against people taking off their shoes, cutting their fingernails, putting their feet up on the TV screen in the seatback, etc.

I figure that, due to my being easily irritated by all manners of airplane rudeness, I'm pretty attuned/sensitive to the minutiae of airplane passenger behavior. Even with that being the case, it just hadn't really occurred to me that exercising a built-in option provided by the airline on a flight for which I paid hundreds of dollars could/would be considered rude or in poor form. Maybe it's because I take a lot of red eye flights or because I often get lower back pain on long flights and, thus, recline slightly, but...people get mad at you for reclining your seat? Really?!

I suppose that a quick look behind you to ensure that the person isn't trying to do work on a laptop or something is one thing, and I guess I can get behind the idea of asking the person behind you if they mind, but again, I also don't really feel like I should have to do that. Reclining is a built in option provided BY the airline, and sitting completely upright at the angle of an airplane seat for six straight hours is torturous.

One last thing: Both of the people in the viral video were being immature goons. The guy punching the seat repeatedly was DEFINITELY in the wrong and was being a childish twerp, but the lady in front of him should have notified the flight attendant rather than videotaping him with her phone. I'd say that of the two, he was MORE in the wrong, but they were both in the wrong.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, sherpa said:

 

Because it is illegal, and while you may have gotten away with it, its liking drinking and driving.

You can do it a hundred times with no repercussions, but get caught, and the fines are huge.

 

What you may not be considering is the dynamic and context of doing that.

If one person spots you, smells you or anything else that points to this, and they report it to a flight attendant, they could lose their job if they don't act on it and the "reporter" decides to may a case of it.

 

If you're willing to bet that much on your fellow passengers, that's your call.

i just do not see it as that big a risk. Granted, i am never "drunk"...i have never even been questioned. Every once in a while person seat next to me will ask about it, and i say with all seriousness I hate takeoff and they can see in my eyes better I have a pop then be a sweaty mess for the next 10 minutes LOL.

 

Have had way more people in bad turbulence lean over and say"ya got an extra one of those'?  

[Seasons1992]

1 hour ago, teef said:

they started the cart service late, and only came to me once.  I literally didn't have an opportunity to have more than one drink.  it's happened twice to me.

 

You need to be a professional, like @plenzmd1 and I......you bring a couple small bottles with you, have those discreetly, and then if it's a shorter flight, you ask for TWO drinks when they come around. They never question it if you're in a seat that paid for it.

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I suppose that a quick look behind you to ensure that the person isn't trying to do work on a laptop or something is one thing, and I guess I can get behind the idea of asking the person behind you if they mind, 

All that's really needed is a "heads up, i am going to recline"..ask and someone may say "why yes, yes i do"...but i do believe common courtesy just to let the fellow behind you know in case he has a laptop open, or drinks etc that may spill when you recline.

[sherpa]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

i just do not see it as that big a risk. Granted, i am never "drunk"...i have never even been questioned. Every once in a while person seat next to me will ask about it, and i say with all seriousness I hate takeoff and they can see in my eyes better I have a pop then be a sweaty mess for the next 10 minutes LOL.

 

Have had way more people in bad turbulence lean over and say"ya got an extra one of those'?  

 

Evidently the benefit to you is worth the risk.

What I am saying is that if any passenger reports it to a flight attendant, and wants to make a bit of noise about it, as everyone seems to be doing now on every single perceived "affront," that flight attendant is going to lose his/her job if they don't react to it, even though they might not care about the consumption.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

You're operating under a very false assumption. 

I couldn't care less if somebody in front of me puts their seat back and there appears to be several folks in this thread who feel the same way.

Until recently I had always operated under the assumption that nobody cared if I put my seat back because I didn't care if the person in front of me did it.

So the "do unto others" approach does not work here because different folks have different views on what they view as intolerable.

No one likes the seat being reclined into them!! People tolerate it but no one says, “oh good, I’m glad that guy reclined into me.” If you didn’t know that people hated it you must have been shocked by this controversy. 
 

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, The Avenger said:

With all the talk about this topic I've found that the side you're on seems to correlate pretty closely with how tall you are.

 

As a taller person with long legs, I hate it when people recline and I almost never recline myself (what's the point - you get about 5 degrees in coach these days).

 

I have had the person in front of me recline and it sucks - my knees are pretty much all the way up to the seat in front of me to begin with, so when someone reclines the seat is actually digging into my knees - it's painful and goes beyond the minimal comfort I think I should be afforded as a paying passenger, That said, it's an airline problem, not the problem of the person in front of me - they were sold a seat they were told they could recline. I'd love to see the airlines just block all seats from reclining so that everybody knew what to expect and we didn't have these battles breaking out - they're ridiculous.

 

 

 

I'm 6'6" and kind of used to being squeezed in transportation situations, what seems just fine to me always gets a laugh from co-workers or friends.

 

 

 

[MarkyMannn]

19 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

My position is that anyone who reclines their seat *at all* let alone all the way on an airplane ride is a total douche.

 

Yep.  That's it!

[Seasons1992]

14 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

I'm 6'6" and kind of used to being squeezed in transportation situations, what seems just fine to me always gets a laugh from co-workers or friends.

 

 

 

 

[row_33]

14 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

 

 

it's not that bad....

 

 

[shrader]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

All that's really needed is a "heads up, i am going to recline"..ask and someone may say "why yes, yes i do"...but i do believe common courtesy just to let the fellow behind you know in case he has a laptop open, or drinks etc that may spill when you recline.

 

There's another possibility.  If the person behind the recliner happens to be leaning forward for some reason, they can get smacked in the face with that chair.  It was a perfect storm of randomness, but I've had it happen to me.

[JoeF]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I'm a bit  late to this discussion, but...

I never even CONSIDERED the idea that people might find reclining on an airplane to be impolite. I'm pretty easily irritated when it comes to flight etiquette. I will speak up against people taking off their shoes, cutting their fingernails, putting their feet up on the TV screen in the seatback, etc.

I figure that, due to my being easily irritated by all manners of airplane rudeness, I'm pretty attuned/sensitive to the minutiae of airplane passenger behavior. Even with that being the case, it just hadn't really occurred to me that exercising a built-in option provided by the airline on a flight for which I paid hundreds of dollars could/would be considered rude or in poor form. Maybe it's because I take a lot of red eye flights or because I often get lower back pain on long flights and, thus, recline slightly, but...people get mad at you for reclining your seat? Really?!

I suppose that a quick look behind you to ensure that the person isn't trying to do work on a laptop or something is one thing, and I guess I can get behind the idea of asking the person behind you if they mind, but again, I also don't really feel like I should have to do that. Reclining is a built in option provided BY the airline, and sitting completely upright at the angle of an airplane seat for six straight hours is torturous.

One last thing: Both of the people in the viral video were being immature goons. The guy punching the seat repeatedly was DEFINITELY in the wrong and was being a childish twerp, but the lady in front of him should have notified the flight attendant rather than videotaping him with her phone. I'd say that of the two, he was MORE in the wrong, but they were both in the wrong.

 

Logic- this is my stance.  I travel a lot...cross country every month plus a couple more shorter trips each month.  I had a Macbook screen crushed in a seat recline about a year ago.   I have apple care and most of my stuff was in the iCloud so no big deal (thanks Reno, NV Apple Store team).  The person apologized and I gritted my teeth and said-- "its fine"...but just a courtesy look behind would be great.  I never recline and probably won't unless I am in pain or something.

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Bandito said:

I don’t get the people with paper boarding passes. Just use the boarding pass on the app. It’s mind blowing to see so many paper boarding passes these days 

Paper passes for me, even when not checking a bag. When checking luggage, it is a great place to attach the luggage tag receipt(s). The attendant at the airline's desk will actually tape it to the back when they scan in your luggage.

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

Been doing since 07 when i started flying a lot for work. Has to be in the airplane bottles, or really any container under 3 ozs. I always have at least 7-10 in my backpack when traveling, have never once been asked about it or asked to dispose of them  by TSA. On the plane , just don't be an ass about it, drink discretely from the bottle or very discretely with mixer..and dont get drunk!

 

@sherpa, why do think such a bad idea? 

 

this is what i do. didn't realize there was a fine for it. but unless you're an idiot don't get caught.  i will also grab a coke or something at the airport store and mix there before the ride.  i can get a bit nervous before flights at times.  

[Simon]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No one likes the seat being reclined into them!! People tolerate it but no one says, “oh good, I’m glad that guy reclined into me.” If you didn’t know that people hated it you must have been shocked by this controversy. 
 

Nobody "likes" standing in a line either but they don't assume that everybody else in the line is a a terrible person because of it.

And if a pretty girl in a low cut blouse reclined in front of you I bet your definition of like would change with startling speed. 

I'm just saying that assuming that every other person thinks exactly like you do inevitably leads to problems all around.

 

Shock is probably too strong a word, but I've definitely been surprised to see how fired up people are about it.

I don't have to travel for work and I like to drive across the US at least once every year so I am rarely even on planes. It's probably been 10 years since I flew and having the seat reclined in front of me didn't seem like an exceptionally heavy burden to bear at that time; maybe it's different now.

I guess I sort of assumed it was another manifestation of a culture where folks seem to be looking for reasons to be an aggrieved victim. Or maybe seating space has shrunk so much as airlines worship at the altar of the almighty dollar that folks are too worried about the effects to bother addressing the cause.

Either way, we are pretty much ###### as a culture and a country. 

 

[plenzmd1]

33 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

this is what i do. didn't realize there was a fine for it. but unless you're an idiot don't get caught.  i will also grab a coke or something at the airport store and mix there before the ride.  i can get a bit nervous before flights at times.  

like the coke idea! 

[GaryPinC]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

 

it's not that bad....

 

 

It's been over 10 years, but the Air Canada planes had significantly more leg room than the US planes.  I'm about 6'1 and it felt like a luxury!  I can't sit with my legs straight on most US flights, AC plane I could with space to boot! 

 

50 minutes ago, JoeF said:

 

Logic- this is my stance.  I travel a lot...cross country every month plus a couple more shorter trips each month.  I had a Macbook screen crushed in a seat recline about a year ago.   I have apple care and most of my stuff was in the iCloud so no big deal (thanks Reno, NV Apple Store team).  The person apologized and I gritted my teeth and said-- "its fine"...but just a courtesy look behind would be great.  I never recline and probably won't unless I am in pain or something.

How did it get crushed?  Did it fall off the tray?  

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

like the coke idea! 

I remember coke on airplanes before 9/11. 

And that's all I have to say about that.......

 

 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I recline.  I don’t mind if others recline in front of me.  I don’t care if others behind me care if I recline my seat.  I paid for the seat, it declines, I’m going to recline the mofo if I please.

 

That said, if the person seated behind me really had a problem with me reclining, they would get much better results talking to me like a grown up than punching the back of my head rest.

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

i just do not see it as that big a risk. Granted, i am never "drunk"...i have never even been questioned. Every once in a while person seat next to me will ask about it, and i say with all seriousness I hate takeoff and they can see in my eyes better I have a pop then be a sweaty mess for the next 10 minutes LOL.

 

Have had way more people in bad turbulence lean over and say"ya got an extra one of those'?  

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/can-you-bring-your-own-booze-on-a-plane-and-make-drinks

 

Up to $11,000 fine.   Fly Jet Blue, they allow it if under 24% and you let their flight staff serve it to you!

[plenzmd1]

50 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/can-you-bring-your-own-booze-on-a-plane-and-make-drinks

 

Up to $11,000 fine.   Fly Jet Blue, they allow it if under 24% and you let their flight staff serve it to you!

Wow, $11K! Have never had an issue. Sounds like the 1 woman who did was told "knock it off" and she kept drinking!

 

 

[JoeF]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

It's been over 10 years, but the Air Canada planes had significantly more leg room than the US planes.  I'm about 6'1 and it felt like a luxury!  I can't sit with my legs straight on most US flights, AC plane I could with space to boot! 

 

How did it get crushed?  Did it fall off the tray?  

I had the tray table down and was working on the Macbook on the tray table.  I was writing so was concentrating...When the woman reclined the screen got wedged under the tray table hook and the upper edge of her seat/the tray table insert came down on the screen, bent it and cracked the glass...I guess i used the word "crushed" to liberally ? but that's what happened.  The woman wasn't large and didn't recline with huge force -- it just happened....I had a glass protector so it didn't shatter.

 

I am really cautious now-- ready to close the lid on the Macbook whenever the person in front of me even adjusts in their seat.

 

 

 

Edited February 19, 2020 by JoeF

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, JoeF said:

I had the tray table down and was working on Mac on the tray table.  I was writing so was concentrating...When the woman reclined the screen got wedged under the tray table hook and the upper edge of her seat came down on the screen, bent it and cracked the glass...I guess i used the word "crushed" to liberally ? but that's what happened.

 

 

As your luck would have it, our very own @Chandler#81 is a mastur at fixing cracked Apple product screens!