Cover 1 evaluation of Laviska Shenault and in-depth overview of injury history

[Dkollidas]

I think we might be surprised by how far Shenault slips.

 

Injuries, play style and just overall how he fits into a scheme could push his value down. 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Dkollidas said:

I think we might be surprised by how far Shenault slips.

 

Injuries, play style and just overall how he fits into a scheme could push his value down. 

Agreed. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if he has a very DK-like slide to the 50-65 area.

[DJB]

Shenault, has the lowest YPC vs AP-ranked teams of the top 38 draft eligible  WRs at 8.7 ypc.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DJB]

Dude cant stay healthy.  Disappointing and troubling. 

 

Mid to late 2nd probably now

[Dkollidas]

I really really liked him.

 

I do believe he won’t go until 3rd round. 
 

As the draft comes closer, the stock of others combined with his medical will push him further and further down boards. 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I really really liked him.

 

I do believe he won’t go until 3rd round. 
 

As the draft comes closer, the stock of others combined with his medical will push him further and further down boards. 

I mean that sucks for him...but it actually might be good for us.

[DJB]

I'd gladly take him in the 3rd. But his initial 1st round status was always ludicrous to me

[whatdrought]

If he falls to the second, I’d be happy with him there. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Dude cant stay healthy.  Disappointing and troubling. 

 

Mid to late 2nd probably now

Well this is the injury he’s had, not a new one. Originally wasn’t going to do surgery but now he is, which should be really good for him. His explosiveness will really improve 

[DJB]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well this is the injury he’s had, not a new one. Originally wasn’t going to do surgery but now he is, which should be really good for him. His explosiveness will really improve 

 

Fair enough, but hes been dinged up frequently before this injury as well. 

 

Regardless it will likely drop him somewhat in the draft 

[JoPoy88]

33 minutes ago, DJB said:

I'd gladly take him in the 3rd. But his initial 1st round status was always ludicrous to me

idk most of his measurables seem to put him up there, and he did average something like 9 catches per game? I can see why some would have him projected there. I tend to agree with you though and I never wanted him for the Bills

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So earlier, it was reported that Shenault has osteitis pubis and did not require surgery.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28686020/colorado-wr-laviska-shenault-need-surgery-nagging-injury

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteitis_pubis

Until recently, there was no specific treatment for osteitis pubis. To treat the pain and inflammation caused by osteitis pubis, antiinflammatory medication, stretching, and strengthening of the stabilizing muscles are often prescribed. In Argentina, Topol et al. have studied the use of glucose and lidocaine injections in 72 athletes with chronic groin/abdominal pain who had failed a conservative treatment trial. The treatment consisted of monthly injections to ligament attachments on the pubis. Their pain had lasted an average of 11 months, ranging from 3–60 months. The average number of treatments received was 3, ranging from 1–6. Their pain improved by 82%. Six athletes did not improve, and the remaining 66 returned to unrestricted sport in an average of 3 months.^[4]

Surgical intervention - such as wedge resection of the pubis symphysis - is sometimes attempted in severe cases,^[5] but its success rate is not high, and the surgery itself may lead to later pelvic problems. Recent advances in the field of hip arthroscopy have introduced endoscopic resection of the ***** symphysis which has a potentially higher success rate with less complications^[6].

Osteitis pubis, if not treated early and correctly, can more often than not end a sporting individual's career, or give them an uncertain playing future.

 

Osteitis pubis is what Kolten Listenbee was diagnosed with, eventually having a second surgery to insert a metal plate which effectively ended his career.

The problem is apparently that the bone actually erodes.

 

VERY nervous about the news Shenault will now have surgery.

 

Surgery for osteitis pubis is a different matter than a core muscle surgery.

 

 

 

 

[wppete]

On 2/20/2020 at 6:20 AM, Dkollidas said:

I think we might be surprised by how far Shenault slips.

 

Injuries, play style and just overall how he fits into a scheme could push his value down. 

I think Beane will definitely not draft him in the 1st round,  he might even pass on him with our second pick and then trade back into the late 2nd round and get him if he is still on the board. something similar to what happened to DK Metcalf last year. 
 

I really want eithe Henry Ruggs or Klavon Chaisson in the 1st round. I hope one of them slips to us. 
 

 

Edited February 29, 2020 by wppete

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So earlier, it was reported that Shenault has osteitis pubis and did not require surgery.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28686020/colorado-wr-laviska-shenault-need-surgery-nagging-injury

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteitis_pubis

Until recently, there was no specific treatment for osteitis pubis. To treat the pain and inflammation caused by osteitis pubis, antiinflammatory medication, stretching, and strengthening of the stabilizing muscles are often prescribed. In Argentina, Topol et al. have studied the use of glucose and lidocaine injections in 72 athletes with chronic groin/abdominal pain who had failed a conservative treatment trial. The treatment consisted of monthly injections to ligament attachments on the pubis. Their pain had lasted an average of 11 months, ranging from 3–60 months. The average number of treatments received was 3, ranging from 1–6. Their pain improved by 82%. Six athletes did not improve, and the remaining 66 returned to unrestricted sport in an average of 3 months.^[4]

Surgical intervention - such as wedge resection of the pubis symphysis - is sometimes attempted in severe cases,^[5] but its success rate is not high, and the surgery itself may lead to later pelvic problems. Recent advances in the field of hip arthroscopy have introduced endoscopic resection of the ***** symphysis which has a potentially higher success rate with less complications^[6].

Osteitis pubis, if not treated early and correctly, can more often than not end a sporting individual's career, or give them an uncertain playing future.

 

Osteitis pubis is what Kolten Listenbee was diagnosed with, eventually having a second surgery to insert a metal plate which effectively ended his career.

The problem is apparently that the bone actually erodes.

 

VERY nervous about the news Shenault will now have surgery.

 

Surgery for osteitis pubis is a different matter than a core muscle surgery.

 

 

 

 

hate to see a guy that’s worked his whole life land in a spot like this literally weeks before the biggest day of his life 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So earlier, it was reported that Shenault has osteitis pubis and did not require surgery.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28686020/colorado-wr-laviska-shenault-need-surgery-nagging-injury

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteitis_pubis

Until recently, there was no specific treatment for osteitis pubis. To treat the pain and inflammation caused by osteitis pubis, antiinflammatory medication, stretching, and strengthening of the stabilizing muscles are often prescribed. In Argentina, Topol et al. have studied the use of glucose and lidocaine injections in 72 athletes with chronic groin/abdominal pain who had failed a conservative treatment trial. The treatment consisted of monthly injections to ligament attachments on the pubis. Their pain had lasted an average of 11 months, ranging from 3–60 months. The average number of treatments received was 3, ranging from 1–6. Their pain improved by 82%. Six athletes did not improve, and the remaining 66 returned to unrestricted sport in an average of 3 months.^[4]

Surgical intervention - such as wedge resection of the pubis symphysis - is sometimes attempted in severe cases,^[5] but its success rate is not high, and the surgery itself may lead to later pelvic problems. Recent advances in the field of hip arthroscopy have introduced endoscopic resection of the ***** symphysis which has a potentially higher success rate with less complications^[6].

Osteitis pubis, if not treated early and correctly, can more often than not end a sporting individual's career, or give them an uncertain playing future.

 

Osteitis pubis is what Kolten Listenbee was diagnosed with, eventually having a second surgery to insert a metal plate which effectively ended his career.

The problem is apparently that the bone actually erodes.

 

VERY nervous about the news Shenault will now have surgery.

 

Surgery for osteitis pubis is a different matter than a core muscle surgery.

 

 

 

 

Hope it works out for him. Seems like a good kid 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, NoSaint said:

hate to see a guy that’s worked his whole life land in a spot like this literally weeks before the biggest day of his life 

 

Agreed.

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Hope it works out for him. Seems like a good kid 

 

Also agreed

[Turk71]

I say stay away. I was never sold on him to begin with but this is a definite deal breaker for me in the first 3 rounds.

[DJB]

49 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

idk most of his measurables seem to put him up there, and he did average something like 9 catches per game? I can see why some would have him projected there. I tend to agree with you though and I never wanted him for the Bills

 

Most of his catches were near the line of scrimmage and entirely manufactured for him. He also played in a weak conference against inferior competition.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well this is the injury he’s had, not a new one. Originally wasn’t going to do surgery but now he is, which should be really good for him. His explosiveness will really improve 

Injuries fall in two categories for me for the most part . Ones that can heal and have no lasting affects like a broken bone. Others that have the ability to become lingering issues. The turf toe and torn labrum concern me. I haven’t done as much research on the ostetis pubis issue, but it too sounds like something that can reoccur. 
Shenault May go on to a 15 year career and be amazing. Or he could end up like Watkins. Watkins has always been a 2/3 wr with tons of play making ability but can’t put it all together  for one reason or the other. 
Personally I am cheering for Laviskis. Kid has been through enough. 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

hate to see a guy that’s worked his whole life land in a spot like this literally weeks before the biggest day of his life 

 

Absolutely. I feel for the guy and hope for a full recovery and a long run in the NFL. 

 

Now, if he’s drafted by the Patriots*, I wouldn’t mind a decade of bad hamstrings, but that’s different, right? 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

idk most of his measurables seem to put him up there, and he did average something like 9 catches per game? I can see why some would have him projected there. I tend to agree with you though and I never wanted him for the Bills

Last year he may have averaged 9 catchers a game but he was their only target pretty much. He was gonna get the ball and he only averaged like 11.8 ypc last year and 13 this

 

Combine that with his not amazing top end speed and pedestrian numbers over 3 years and I can't see him in round 1

 

Even pre combine

[Locomark]

I guess just trusting my own eyeball test, I just don't see the explosiveness and game speed necessary for Laviska to be a solid WR1 in the NFL. I think he dominated in a weak conference and will be a decent WR2 in the NFL. We already have that. We need more than a gadget player who can dominate Colorado State or Stanford. We need a bona fide #1. We must hit a homerun on whatever WR we pick, not just get a "value" pick or we will be a perennial wildcard team IMO.

 

Truthfully I would take Higgins and even Jefferson before this kid. I bet Jefferson will not get past the Pats if Brady stays.  All he does is make plays. That kid is a young Andre Reed sneaky good prospect. Higgins is very productive and has that length and stride that reminds me of Lofton. Now I am not saying either will have those careers, but I highly doubt either makes it past the first 15 picks of round 2. 

 

This is a league that rewards teams with the most playmakers on the most sides of the ball. We need to take a WR #1 unless we are absolutely in love with the DE prospects left. If we are waiting on round 2/3 for a WR then I would go with Mims from Baylor followed by the big kid from USC because I think they better prospects.  

 

Either way you watch the games on many of these guys and many look good and bad depending on opponent. 

 

I trust their Front Office, so now it is almost time to see what they do with FAs to see exactly what holes are truly left for the draft. We all know WR will be a draft need but everything else in round 1 is dependent on FA.

 

The only way I take BPA this year is if the BPA is light years ahead of the WR1 on the board.

 

 

[Dkollidas]

4 hours ago, wppete said:

I think Beane will definitely not draft him in the 1st round,  he might even pass on him with our second pick and then trade back into the late 2nd round and get him if he is still on the board. something similar to what happened to DK Metcalf last year. 
 

I really want eithe Henry Ruggs or Klavon Chaisson in the 1st round. I hope one of them slips to us. 
 

 

Those are my two. Could see us moving up to 16 or so in order to get one. Ruggs in particular just puts this offense in a different category than it was last season. A true home run threat. 

[Aussie Joe]

I had some interest in Shenault a month back, but now it’s like he has the coronavirus...

 

Maybe in the third...

 

Maybe..

[Just Joshin']

Heard on NFL radio he had surgery and will be sidelined 4-6 weeks.  Draft impact?

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

Heard on NFL radio he had surgery and will be sidelined 4-6 weeks.  Draft impact?

He was already a second route pick in my opinion and the combine solidified it. Maybe falls to late second

[Locomark]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He was already a second route pick in my opinion and the combine solidified it. Maybe falls to late second

Agreed late second now. Thats 2 core injuries for a guy who is supposed to be more physical than finesse. Tough to run wildcat or sweeps when you have core issues. He won't be running over Colorado State DBs anymore.

[mathja]

Watching him running out of the wildcat makes me want to compare him to Alvin Kamara rather than an NFL receiver. What makes Kamara so great is his ability to catch 80 balls out of the backfield. They even line him up in the slot or even out wide sometimes. I think Kamara ran a 4.53, which is pretty close to Laviska. He’s also thick at 5’11” 215 compared to Shenault’s 222 (albeit 6’2”)
I think he can help an offense score points if he’s used in a variety of ways. 

[947]

Shenault didn't look to be in great shape at the combine. He definitely isn't close to as lean as most of the WRs there, even sporting a little extra weight around the midsection.

 

That said, I remember we all knocked Alshon Jeffery when he showed up with a belly, and he turned out ok.

[YoloinOhio]

18 hours ago, Locomark said:

Agreed late second now. Thats 2 core injuries for a guy who is supposed to be more physical than finesse. Tough to run wildcat or sweeps when you have core issues. He won't be running over Colorado State DBs anymore.

1 core injury. It’s the same one he played with all season. Core muscle surgery will actually help him, maybe not in the draft, but when he’s back in the field. This is the surgery nick Bosa, Mitch Morse, and Cole Beasley had. Imo it’s better that he decided tj have it that continue to play through it. Theoretically He should be more explosive. I always thought he was a 2-3 round pick though and that’s fine.

Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]