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27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can find all sorts of ways to use Cordarrelle Patterson too but he wasn't worth a first

 

Shenault is great value in the second not round 1 of an NFL draft

A lot of ppl said the same thing about Deebo Samuel

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

A lot of ppl said the same thing about Deebo Samuel

Deebo Samuel wasn't a first round pick

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29 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You can find all sorts of ways to use Cordarrelle Patterson too but he wasn't worth a first

 

Shenault is great value in the second not round 1 of an NFL draft

uhhh. if he's "great value" in the 2nd then It stands to reason he's still solid value in the tail end of round one.....

 

its not the dollar tree. we aren't freaking bargain shopping here... if you want the dude and you think he cant make a difference you freaking draft him.

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6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

uhhh. if he's "great value" in the 2nd then It stands to reason he's still solid value in the tail end of round one.....

 

its not the dollar tree. we aren't freaking bargain shopping here... if you want the dude and you think he cant make a difference you freaking draft him.

He's great value in round 2 because he's a jack of all trades and can do alot 

 

He's not good value in the first because he isn't great at any WR skills and may never develop 

 

And 22 is not tail end of round 1.. you can get an absolute stud who is way more polished than Shenault there

 

31 would be the tail end

 

And I honestly don't want him at all. 22nd pick of round 2 sure

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Deebo Samuel wasn't a first round pick

but he SHOULD have been.

 

I would rather have the right player then lament on where he was drafted

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Laviska can do it all, but he may not be there at #22.  Especially after he rips the combine.

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He's not good value in the first because he isn't great at any WR skills and may never develop 

 

And I honestly don't want him at all. 22nd pick of round 2 sure

 

Since when are YAC and good hands NOT WR skills?  And Shenault doesn't need a ton of development.

 

I'm very curious as to what you thought about D.K. Metcalf around this time last year?  Were you one of those worried about his 3-cone?  Be honest.

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8 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Laviska can do it all, but he may not be there at #22.  Especially after he rips the combine.

 

Since when are YAC and good hands NOT WR skills?  And Shenault doesn't need a ton of development.

 

I'm very curious as to what you thought about D.K. Metcalf around this time last year?  Were you one of those worried about his 3-cone?  Be honest.

No I was worried about his injury history

 

And Shenault has great YAC skills that's it, and you need the ball in your hands for that

 

He does not have elite hands catching the ball, he has solid hands . So his great skills are his YAC , that's it

 

He is an elite runner , not an elite WR

 

And his route running needs work

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I find it amusing that people think they can differentiate 0.05-0.10 second differences in 40 yard dash speed by watching a clip of a guy playing football. 

You can't. 

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I'm not sold on Shenault. But missing on a receiver at 22 isn't the same as missing on a receiver in the top 5 after trading up. Especially if they pick 2 to hedge their bets. With Beane as GM there are also reasons to be hopeful that they can hit on later round picks. I have my preference but the Shenault pick would be completely understandable.

 

 Someone asked on Marino's podcast who had the best hands and he came up with 2 guys one of whom- Pitman (USC) is a definite mid round guy.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

A lot of ppl said the same thing about Deebo Samuel

 

And he went in round 2 (#36) due to many of those same 'things.'    Which would be fine for Shenault as well--not at 22.   

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/deebo-samuel?id=32195341-4d63-6097-eab1-34810e00be67

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13 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

I find it amusing that people think they can differentiate 0.05-0.10 second differences in 40 yard dash speed by watching a clip of a guy playing football. 

You can't. 

No but I played D1 football and still scout and coach

 

I know what a 4.4 looks like and that's not it. It's solidly a 4.5 ish in my estimation

 

When your around the game everyday for 30+ years you can pick things up 

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Agreed not 4.44 at all

 

 

That looks like "I'll do the interviews and positional drills in Indy but I'll run the 40 at my pro day" speed.

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23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

No I was worried about his injury history

 

And Shenault has great YAC skills that's it, and you need the ball in your hands for that

 

He does not have elite hands catching the ball, he has solid hands . So his great skills are his YAC , that's it

 

He is an elite runner , not an elite WR

 

And his route running needs work

 

Be honest.  You just don't like the guy, for whatever reason.  You're on every post bashing him for various reasons, even though highlight reels, draft projections and scouting reports disagree with you.

 

I've got an inkling that you had strong criticisms of DK last season too.  I can tell.

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19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

but he SHOULD have been.

 

And the Bills should have one or more Super Bowls.

 

Playing that game doesn't change anything.   If Samuel would have been picked at 35 (Jags) or 37 (Panthers), do you think he would have been as effective as he was at 36?

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1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Be honest.  You just don't like the guy, for whatever reason.  You're on every post bashing him for various reasons, even though highlight reels, draft projections and scouting reports disagree with you.

 

I've got an inkling that you had strong criticisms of DK last season too.  I can tell.

Scouting reports disagree? All of them say he has good but not great speed and needs work on route running

 

Anthony Johnson from UB was touted as a top 3-4 round pick and he had amazing tape and better production than Shenault and then went undrafted

 

Do I think Shenault goes undrafted? Not at all

 

But I'm not here to make friends. I call it like I see it and he's just not my favorite WR In the class

 

He has great skills with the ball in his hands and is a good playmaker but in this class I don't see him as a top 5 guy when all is said and done

 

I have nothing against the guy , I think there are better WRs

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2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Be honest.  You just don't like the guy, for whatever reason.  You're on every post bashing him for various reasons, even though highlight reels, draft projections and scouting reports disagree with you.

 

Watch entire games, not the cut and paste marketing stuff.    And draft projections before the combine and pro days are so much toilet paper.

 

From the games I watched, Shenault is very raw as a WR.   His route running is inconsistent, his blocking nonexistent.    He's a dynamo with the ball in his hands.   He's the textbook definition of a RB playing WR.     

 

Maybe Daboll can get creative and design an offense around that.    And I wouldn't be opposed--if Shenault was a slot guy or WR4, not WR1...

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20 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Watch entire games, not the cut and paste marketing stuff. 

 

I was told the exact same thing last year about Metcalf.  

 

Sometimes talent jumps off the screen.  It's not hard to see.

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42 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Laviska can do it all, but he may not be there at #22.  Especially after he rips the combine.

 

Since when are YAC and good hands NOT WR skills?  And Shenault doesn't need a ton of development.

 

I'm very curious as to what you thought about D.K. Metcalf around this time last year?  Were you one of those worried about his 3-cone?  Be honest.


FWIW, DK was my #2 target behind Oliver at #9 last year and I don’t really want Shenault unless he slides to #54. I don’t think he’s anywhere near DK as a prospect personally. 

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25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

No but I played D1 football and still scout and coach

 

I know what a 4.4 looks like and that's not it. It's solidly a 4.5 ish in my estimation

 

When your around the game everyday for 30+ years you can pick things up 

So if he runs a 4.4 at the combine you are going to change your mind?

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2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Not my top 3 choice's but he's the guy pundits and everyone mocks to us

 

He was used as a jack of all trades, he ran reverses, wildcat, play in the slot and outwide

 

So he's versatile but he isn't amazing at any position right now. I don't think he is a top end X in the league and his best attribute is running with the ball in his hands

 

I don't expect him to run a super fast time... 4.49 the fastest I expect and he just isn't a clean route runner yet

 

In such a deep class I'd rather take a WR who is polished and runs crisp routes


This is more or less where I’m at with him as well. I think he’ll end up a quality NFL contributor, but not in the next 2 years, and not a superstar.

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1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

I was told the exact same thing last year about Metcalf.  

 

Sometimes talent jumps off the screen.  It's not hard to see.

 

Metcalf had a big, big 'unknown' quality about his production, his body builder physique, his ability to step in and contribute right away.   He wasn't a sure thing by any means and most scouting reports were all over the place on him.

 

With the 'Hawks, he was inconsistent early in the year and to his credit, stepped it up in December.    Going to a playoff calibre team with a future gold jacket QB sure helped him, no doubt.   

 

 

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2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I have felt for some time that Daboll would fall in love with him and make him a top priority. 

Me too. Hes so tempting. Imagine the playbook....

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