BillStime Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: But vaccinated people have died from COVID. Virtually, I say this. And more people have died from adverse side effects from the COVID vaccines than all deaths from all other vaccines administered in the past 25 years. If this was a "normal" time the CDC would most surely stop the vaccinations. But its not so the "safe and effective" narrative continues to get played. Here's the other thing. About 1/2 of all workers at the CDC have declined to get vaccinated. The CDC. Think about what that means. These are not uninformed, uneducated hillbillies running around touting conspiracy theories. These are medical professionals that are among the most informed about COVID and the vaccines. So what exactly is their concern? Wouldn't it be beneficial to listen to what they have to say? Rather than flippantly dismiss anyone with a concern. Same thing with a large number of first responders and hospital workers that have been on the front lines since the beginning of the pandemic. Why are they, once again, among the most informed hesitant to get vaccinated? Its not because they are uninformed. Quite the opposite. Its because they are informed. Instead of just swallowing the official message hook, line, and sinker maybe people need to start doing some thinking for themselves? And start asking critical questions to official and experts and demanding answers not just more double-speak and evasive slogans. As for me I thought long and hard about it but eventually decided to get vaccinated with my second shot about 3 weeks ago. But that doesn't mean I accept the idea there's no risk to it. I just decided to roll the dice. Like the rest of you that got vaccinated whether you realize that or want to accept that there is a risk. When you got vaccinated with these Moderna or Pfizer gene therapy experimental vaccines you took that risk just like I did. If you want to pretend or believe or fool yourself into thinking there's no risk then that's your choice. Can you please fact check that 1/2 of CDC employees refuse vaccine? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, BillStime said: Can you please fact check that 1/2 of CDC employees refuse vaccine? thanks OK, the story I saw indicated about 50% of CDC staff had been vaccinated. But "assumed" the remainder either refused or had reservations. Assumed. So most likely less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) EXCLUSIVE: Robert Redfield, the former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, explained the reasoning behind his opinion that a lab leak was the most likely explanation for the COVID-19 pandemic’s origins, in a wide-ranging interview with Fox News. Former CDC director Redfield explains why he believes COVID-19 emerged from lab, WHO 'compromised' Redfield argued COVID-19’s efficient human-to-human spread contradicted the behavior of other deadly coronaviruses with similar profiles, such as SARS and MERS, which first reached humans through animal contact but spread at a much slower pace. "When I said before that I didn't think it was biologically plausible that COVID-19 went from a bat to some unknown animal into man and now had become one of the most infectious viruses," Redfield said, "That's not consistent with how other coronaviruses have come into the human species. And, it does suggest that there's an alternative hypothesis that it went from a bat virus, got into a laboratory, where in the laboratory, it was taught, educated, it evolved, so that it became a virus that could efficiently transmit human to human." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert-redfield-cdc-covid-19-lab-leak-who-compromised Edited June 15, 2021 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: OK, the story I saw indicated about 50% of CDC staff had been vaccinated. But "assumed" the remainder either refused or had reservations. Assumed. So most likely less. All good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 55 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: OK, the story I saw indicated about 50% of CDC staff had been vaccinated. But "assumed" the remainder either refused or had reservations. Assumed. So most likely less. The "story" was based on a remark that Fauci made in a hearing where he estimated that 50-60% of the CDC employees were fully vaccinated in May. Somehow folks with agendas turned that into 50% of CDC employees refused the vaccine. We are getting somewhere. Now fact check the VAERs data about people dying "from" the vaccine and that statement goes away too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 THE ANSWER IS “YES”, SHERLOCK: Did anti-Trump bias blind science to evidence for COVID lab-leak theory? https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/calls-lab-leak-investigation-grow-signs-scientists-shunned-it-just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/05/17/how-a-history-of-lies-paved-the-way-to-vaccine-hesitancy-for-african-americans/%3foutputType=amp Fools? I understand the history. It is foolish to not get this vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 48 minutes ago, B-Man said: THE ANSWER IS “YES”, SHERLOCK: Did anti-Trump bias blind science to evidence for COVID lab-leak theory? https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/calls-lab-leak-investigation-grow-signs-scientists-shunned-it-just Why didn’t Trump get to the bottom of this while he was in office? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I understand the history. It is foolish to not get this vaccine. Well, while I think you display a considerable lack of tolerance at times, your commitment to call out the fools as you see them is noteworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Adams Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 57 minutes ago, B-Man said: Meme-man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I understand the history. It is foolish to not get this vaccine. Is it though......or is it foolish to get the vaccine https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/14/covid-19-vaccine-mistake.aspx?ui=fd42e0aeaf0952c2d51b3c37963fcf2483b104181c8c484a4809617d1b1e6010&sd=19000101&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20210614_HL2&mid=DM910315&rid=1183362846&p4=20201023&p5= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 New York lifts 'virtually all' COVID-19 restrictions effective immediately, Gov. Cuomo announces Coming out to a standing ovation in Manhattan's One World Trade Center, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that "we can now return to life as we know it" because the state hit his required threshold of a 70% first-dose vaccination rate. "Remember June 15th. Remember today, because it is the day that New York rose again," Cuomo said, adding that June 15 is also his late father and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo's birthday. ..... .... ... Counties and localities can still implement their own restrictions, and Cuomo added that New York will still observe CDC guidance. Individual businesses can also keep their own mask policies. The announcement did not provide any clarity on mask and social distancing measures in schools. https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-covid-restrictions-lifted-cuomo-announcement-2021-6 Yes folks. Exactly like life as you knew it. Also don't forget your NYS Vaccine pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: OK, the story I saw indicated about 50% of CDC staff had been vaccinated. But "assumed" the remainder either refused or had reservations. Assumed. So most likely less. Actual doctors don't seem to have reservations. https://consumer.healthday.com/b-6-14-almost-all-u-s-physicians-have-gotten-a-covid-vaccine-2653327263.html More than 96% are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions, according to a new survey from the American Medical Association (AMA). Even among the 4% not yet vaccinated, 45% said they do plan to get their vaccine. 42 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: New York lifts 'virtually all' COVID-19 restrictions effective immediately, Gov. Cuomo announces Coming out to a standing ovation in Manhattan's One World Trade Center, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that "we can now return to life as we know it" because the state hit his required threshold of a 70% first-dose vaccination rate. "Remember June 15th. Remember today, because it is the day that New York rose again," Cuomo said, adding that June 15 is also his late father and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo's birthday. ..... .... ... Counties and localities can still implement their own restrictions, and Cuomo added that New York will still observe CDC guidance. Individual businesses can also keep their own mask policies. The announcement did not provide any clarity on mask and social distancing measures in schools. https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-covid-restrictions-lifted-cuomo-announcement-2021-6 Yes folks. Exactly like life as you knew it. Also don't forget your NYS Vaccine pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Why didn’t Trump get to the bottom of this while he was in office? He was busy getting a hospital boat for the Governor of Death! He even got one for California. Neither one was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, B-Man said: When exactly did YOU start thinking that Jon Stewart was someone to be trusted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: He was busy getting a hospital boat for the Governor of Death! He even got one for California. Neither one was used. They didn't use the hospital set up in the Seahawks stadium parking lot either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TH3 said: When exactly did YOU start thinking that Jon Stewart was someone to be trusted? I didn't say he was to be trusted. You misunderstood the subject of the political cartoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 LOCKDOWN CONSEQUENCES: 1.2 Million Children World-Wide Could Die From Disrupted Healthcare Amid Pandemic Lockdowns, Analysis Finds. https://fee.org/articles/12-million-children-world-wide-could-die-from-disrupted-healthcare-amid-pandemic-lockdowns-analysis-finds/ Related: The rich and powerful thrived as the rest of us suffered in the year of lockdowns. https://nypost.com/2021/05/20/the-rich-and-powerful-thrived-as-the-rest-of-us-suffered-in-the-year-of-lockdowns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: They didn't use the hospital set up in the Seahawks stadium parking lot either. That's the thing I didn't understand. They had us shelter at home to make sure hospitals were not overwhelmed while the mercy ship sat empty in the LA harbor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: That's the thing I didn't understand. They had us shelter at home to make sure hospitals were not overwhelmed while the mercy ship sat empty in the LA harbor. Chef: This shouldn't be difficult to understand. Trump let the Governors handle their response just the way that government is supposed to work...closest to the source. He promised he'd support them with supply lines, just the way it's handled during a war...away from the front lines. They felt they needed a hospital, so he got them one. He didn't hesitate or ask "do you really need one"? And then after he got the troops exactly what they needed, requested and then some, they turned around and blamed him for the war. Disgusting! Edited June 15, 2021 by SoCal Deek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: He was busy getting a hospital boat for the Governor of Death! He even got one for California. Neither one was used. You sure? I thought he was out golfing and hosting rallies? And he still lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: You sure? I thought he was out golfing and hosting rallies? And he still lost Wrong again. First he got them what they requested and then he still had time to golf. Not too shabby! Biden was sitting at home sucking his thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) Covid horror: Russia discovers new 'Moscow' strain as cases soar across the country Dubbed the "Moscow" strain, they are urgently investigating whether it is resistant to current vaccines. Russia has seen a spike in infections of the deadly virus, leading to the imposition of new restrictions in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. On Sunday health authorities reported more than 14,700 Covid cases, which represents the largest one-day tally since February. Experts believe that the new strain could be driving the explosion in infections. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1450382/covid-news-russia-discovers-new-moscow-strain-kremlin-sputnik-v-saint-petersburg-putin-ont-1450382 China rn .. .. .... Edited June 16, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 49 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wrong again. First he got them what they requested and then he still had time to golf. Not too shabby! Biden was sitting at home sucking his thumb. Biden kicked Trumps a$$ bro - landslide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 This was the fully reopen metric they told us right? Living a life wondering where you need a vaccine pass, mask, or negative test is absolutely asinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: This was the fully reopen metric they told us right? Living a life wondering where you need a vaccine pass, mask, or negative test is absolutely asinine. That’s why states like FL and TX are so enticing. Freedom does that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 hours ago, BillStime said: Biden kicked Trumps a$$ bro - landslide And he apparently did that while sitting at home letting everyone else do all the actual work. Joe’s the poster child for a classic leftist. No wonder you’re such a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 41 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And he apparently did that while sitting at home letting everyone else do all the actual work. Joe’s the poster child for a classic leftist. No wonder you’re such a fan. LANDSLIDE - FROM HIS BASEMENT - JOE KICKED TRUMPS A$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Chef Jim said: That’s why states like FL and TX are so enticing. Freedom does that. Tennessee too ! They are trying to escape the insanity . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 8:12 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: We’re back to large crowds, in fact, we never didn’t have large crowds gathering in cities across the country all last year as people died in large numbers. Surely you know this. Tens of thousands of people from all walks of life coming together, huddling closely at times, animated in speech and physical contact, often returning home to spread the virus in some of communities at highest risk in the country. What was hard to understand we’re the crickets chirping or worse yet—politicians and civic leaders encouraging the behavior. How many lives lost there? On the other hand, If you’re only talking about the compliant folk wanting to gather, that’s happening as well and has been for some time. Surely you know this as well. As for your suggestion, if I had immunity after having COVID, I personally would be willing to listen to the “extra double immunity” angle, but more importantly “we’re not sure how long your immunity will last”. Not saying I’d Vax up, and I probably wouldn’t until more data came out, but I’d listen. I would also support someone else unwilling to listen to either argument and just push forward, knowing the risk, knowing the numbers and knowing the science that seems to contradict “just get the damn Vax” crowd. Based on the numbers, it’s exceptionally likely they would be absolutely fine and would pose no threat to others. But, it’s a nasty ripper of a bug to some people, we agree there. Informed choice is the key. Tolerance helps as well. On this, I think you’re overstating, btw. I’m speak with folks in various fields including areas of which you speak. Some certainly echoed what you said, others not at all. There is not universal consensus among all health care workers and physicians that the Vax is the only answer. A few are worried because they hear all conspiracy BS.. PS My Mom and Uncle had polio and suffered greatly til Vax wiped it out... sorry I have no patience for anti vaxxers... after seeing 11 people a day for a month... nurses, a receptionist and a nun die as well as an eight year old... im tired of internet sleuths who push BS misinformation... Get vaxxed and lets move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: A few are worried because they hear all conspiracy BS.. PS My Mom and Uncle had polio and suffered greatly til Vax wiped it out... sorry I have no patience for anti vaxxers... after seeing 11 people a day for a month... nurses, a receptionist and a nun die as well as an eight year old... im tired of internet sleuths who push BS misinformation... Get vaxxed and lets move on. Nope, i'll pass and let you guinea pigs go first! I equally have no patience for you idiots keep pushing others to get vaccinated, you got vaccinated, your safe so move on don't worry about me, i'll do me and you do you, got it! Edited June 16, 2021 by Big Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Big Gun said: Nope, i'll pass and let you guinea pigs go first! I equally have no patience for you idiots keep pushing others to get vaccinated, you got vaccinated, your safe so move on don't worry about me, i'll do me and you do you, got it! Prayers hopefully you wont need them... been six months how much more time do you need... Edited June 16, 2021 by North Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, North Buffalo said: Prayers hopefully you wont need them Bet you ten bucks the squirt gun got the vaccine as soon as he could... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, North Buffalo said: A few are worried because they hear all conspiracy BS.. PS My Mom and Uncle had polio and suffered greatly til Vax wiped it out... sorry I have no patience for anti vaxxers... after seeing 11 people a day for a month... nurses, a receptionist and a nun die as well as an eight year old... im tired of internet sleuths who push BS misinformation... Get vaxxed and lets move on. My father survived polio, my mother lost the majority of her hearing due to constant ear infections throughout her youth and spent her working years as a registered nurse providing aid, comfort and compassion to the sick, injured and dying. My sister and several other family members followed her in that noble pursuit. My sister-in-law is a pediatrician, my brother-in-law, nephew, niece and two of my three children had COVID. My brother-in-law chooses at this point to go with the theory of COVID immunity. My sister-in-law sees no problems with that decision. With due respect to you and yours, there are people who suffer and survive and see it differently than you do and to reduce to calling derisively calling them “internet sleuths” adds little to the discussion. Sorry to hear of your experiences, the stories that come out of this crisis are often tragic. One can only wonder how much better it might have been had those folks who chose to protest in violation of lockdown rules and CDC guidance been provided better guidance and advice about the dangers of gathering in massive groups. Or, if there was honest dialogue about the nature of the virus initially. I’d think lots of skeptical folks might well have treaded cautiously had there been honest dialogue that the root cause of the virus might well have been an escaped virus from a research lab. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: My father survived polio, my mother lost the majority of her hearing due to constant ear infections throughout her youth and spent her working years as a registered nurse providing aid, comfort and compassion to the sick, injured and dying. My sister and several other family members followed her in that noble pursuit. My sister-in-law is a pediatrician, my brother-in-law, nephew, niece and two of my three children had COVID. My brother-in-law chooses at this point to go with the theory of COVID immunity. My sister-in-law sees no problems with that decision. With due respect to you and yours, there are people who suffer and survive and see it differently than you do and to reduce to calling derisively calling them “internet sleuths” adds little to the discussion. Sorry to hear of your experiences, the stories that come out of this crisis are often tragic. One can only wonder how much better it might have been had those folks who chose to protest in violation of lockdown rules and CDC guidance been provided better guidance and advice about the dangers of gathering in massive groups. Or, if there was honest dialogue about the nature of the virus initially. I’d think lots of skeptical folks might well have treaded cautiously had there been honest dialogue that the root cause of the virus might well have been an escaped virus from a research lab. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 4 hours ago, BillStime said: LANDSLIDE - FROM HIS BASEMENT - JOE KICKED TRUMPS A$$$$$$$$ And yet Trump is still messing your head. Amazing and sad. Time for you to get into professional therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Vaccine works 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, 716er said: Vaccine works Thanks President Trump! Let's see how long his statue lasts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 3 hours ago, BillStime said: Bet you ten bucks the squirt gun got the vaccine as soon as he could... Hahaha.........you're so dumb it's comical. I will never get the vaccine for something that is over 99% survivable! Good luck to all you pro vacciners you're going to need it going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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