The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[ALF]

Redefining Covid-19: Months after infection, patients report breathing difficulty, excessive fatigue

 

Corey Coopersmith was a healthy fitness consultant and nutritionist. Six months after Covid-19, he still can't work, facing dysautonomia and severe breathlessness.

(CNN)   It's been five months since Lucy Gahan contracted Covid-19, and her life still hasn't returned to normal.

Gahan, a clinical psychologist in Shrewsbury, United Kingdom, hasn't been able to return to work.

The disease causes what she calls "storms," disabling periods when she feels shortness of breath, numbness in her hands and feet and her heart rate shoots up from simple tasks. Even taking a shower is possible only during an occasional respite in symptoms.
"In May and June, I could barely talk because I was so ill," she said.

 

Before contracting the disease in early April, the mother of two ran three times a week and had a regular yoga routine.
"I can only walk as far as the corner," she said. "In terms of running, I can't imagine when that will happen, if ever."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/13/health/long-haul-covid-fatigue-breathing-wellness/index.html

 

covid can be a  B....  not just for those with underlying problems

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, ALF said:

Redefining Covid-19: Months after infection, patients report breathing difficulty, excessive fatigue

 

Corey Coopersmith was a healthy fitness consultant and nutritionist. Six months after Covid-19, he still can't work, facing dysautonomia and severe breathlessness.

(CNN)   It's been five months since Lucy Gahan contracted Covid-19, and her life still hasn't returned to normal.

Gahan, a clinical psychologist in Shrewsbury, United Kingdom, hasn't been able to return to work.

The disease causes what she calls "storms," disabling periods when she feels shortness of breath, numbness in her hands and feet and her heart rate shoots up from simple tasks. Even taking a shower is possible only during an occasional respite in symptoms.
"In May and June, I could barely talk because I was so ill," she said.

 

Before contracting the disease in early April, the mother of two ran three times a week and had a regular yoga routine.
"I can only walk as far as the corner," she said. "In terms of running, I can't imagine when that will happen, if ever."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/13/health/long-haul-covid-fatigue-breathing-wellness/index.html

 

covid can be a  B....  not just for those with underlying problems

OTOH, i have known at least 20 people now that have had the virus, 1 in ICU for 3 days, ...no one else hospitalized...and zero long term effects.  And i mean zero.And the guy in ICU had it Mid March..

 

hey @Magox and @shoshin, trust you guys to tell me where my logic is off. These stats are from Minnesota, but assume they reflect CT rates across the country

https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/

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 Among 300 positive tests over the past three months, the state lab found that roughly 47% required fewer than 30 cycles to find one of two required viral targets in samples, while 21% needed 30 to 35 cycles, and 24% needed 35 to 38 cycles.

even if we take 0nly those above 35CT, that leaves 32% of these "positive" tests way above the 30CT recommenced by the Harvard guy and I think what is typically used in influenza detection. 

 

Now, lets say that 32% rate applies nationwide...would that logically mean then that deaths resulting from Covid are 32% inflated..as 32 % of those folks might have been negative even using the 35 CT thresshold? . ?  

[Chef Jim]

16 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

Like I said, I don’t care if you like my answer or not. 
 

Sorry your boy killed people (I know he’s not your boy, you just spend your time defending him)
 

He’s a fool and so are you for defending him. Says a lot about you! 
 

Take it all Jimmy! 😂😂😂

Dude. I am NOT defending him.  I’m asking you to back up your statement. Very few people use words like: I think, it’s my opinion, in my mind.   Everything here is stated as fact and what I do is ask people to provide proof or the line of thought that brought them to those conclusions.  And it’s amazing how often I do that the answers are not given, I’m attacked as someone who asks stupid questions, the subject is changed or I’m flat out ignored.  

Edited September 13, 2020 by Chef Jim

[spartacus]

15 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

OTOH, i have known at least 20 people now that have had the virus, 1 in ICU for 3 days, ...no one else hospitalized...and zero long term effects.  And i mean zero.And the guy in ICU had it Mid March..

 

hey @Magox and @shoshin, trust you guys to tell me where my logic is off. These stats are from Minnesota, but assume they reflect CT rates across the country

https://www.startribune.com/broad-covid-19-testing-under-microscope/572396572/

even if we take 0nly those above 35CT, that leaves 32% of these "positive" tests way above the 30CT recommenced by the Harvard guy and I think what is typically used in influenza detection. 

 

Now, lets say that 32% rate applies nationwide...would that logically mean then that deaths resulting from Covid are 32% inflated..as 32 % of those folks might have been negative even using the 35 CT thresshold? . ?  

As you note, 30 cycles should be the standard for PCR testing

 

you may ask what the CDC, per their PCR instructions), is trying to accomplish by mandating that PCR test be run at 45 cycles

this would result ins 35 TRILLION copies of genetic material to test, instead of 5 BILLION at 30 cycles

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..at least our "Bored Statistician" SoTier keeps us apprised with his daily "cut and paste" post....Amazon Prime FINALLY delivered his new lithium calculator batteries to Jamestown (took 8 days to find it) so he's good to go until November 4.....

[GG]

5 hours ago, ALF said:

Redefining Covid-19: Months after infection, patients report breathing difficulty, excessive fatigue

 

Corey Coopersmith was a healthy fitness consultant and nutritionist. Six months after Covid-19, he still can't work, facing dysautonomia and severe breathlessness.

(CNN)   It's been five months since Lucy Gahan contracted Covid-19, and her life still hasn't returned to normal.

Gahan, a clinical psychologist in Shrewsbury, United Kingdom, hasn't been able to return to work.

The disease causes what she calls "storms," disabling periods when she feels shortness of breath, numbness in her hands and feet and her heart rate shoots up from simple tasks. Even taking a shower is possible only during an occasional respite in symptoms.
"In May and June, I could barely talk because I was so ill," she said.

 

Before contracting the disease in early April, the mother of two ran three times a week and had a regular yoga routine.
"I can only walk as far as the corner," she said. "In terms of running, I can't imagine when that will happen, if ever."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/13/health/long-haul-covid-fatigue-breathing-wellness/index.html

 

covid can be a  B....  not just for those with underlying problems

 

This definitely happens to some infected people, but it's not the prevalent response from the majority of the infected people.  Any virus will have detrimental effects on people who are naturally predisposed for a worse outcome for that virus.

[ALF]

17 minutes ago, GG said:

 

This definitely happens to some infected people, but it's not the prevalent response from the majority of the infected people.  Any virus will have detrimental effects on people who are naturally predisposed for a worse outcome for that virus.

 

Of course you are correct and that is the good news that it is not widespread after effect

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

So Don didn’t want to panic people with the dire news of the lethality of Covid. 
 

 

I have a question 

will this panic people?

 

 

 

 

 

They’re coming to take your home and security away. 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

So Don didn’t want to panic people with the dire news of the lethality of Covid. 
 

 

I have a question 

will this panic people?

 

 

 

 

 

They’re coming to take your home and security away. 

 

Ummm yeah. They kinda are. Ask the people that were eating at restaurants in Rochester last weekend that were attacked for no reason, about it. 

Take a look at the riots in the Democratic cities. The ones with Democratic Mayors + Governors have been the worst because they will not ask the Feds for help. Because Trump is "literally Hitler"   he is waiting for the governors to ask for help instead of marching in troops. When federal help is asked for, the riots have stop quickly.

Anyhooooo wrong thread for this. Check out the liberal protests and antifa threads for more on the rioting and looting being sanctioned with police stand-down orders issued by the mayors in the Democratic cities. For bonus reading, defund the police is a third thread for you to take this discussion.


 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[shoshin]

 

 

I’d say we can dispense with the “Trump never downplayed it” argument. 

[meazza]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

 

 

I’d say we can dispense with the “Trump never downplayed it” argument. 

To quote a failed presidential candidate, “what difference at this point does it make ?”

Bunga bunga party to celebrate

 

Professor Alberto Zangrillo made it clear when speaking to the press that Berlusconi was never in intensive care, intubated or even given oxygen therapy.

However, the doctor did admit “the viral load on Berlusconi’s swab was so high that in March-April it would not have had the fortunate outcome he has now.

“It would’ve most probably killed him if it had happened then, and he knows that.”

Since the height of the pandemic in Italy, which first hit in late February, treatment, research and facilities have all greatly improved around COVID-19.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

 

I’d say we can dispense with the “Trump never downplayed it” argument. 

Super spreader events. Drinking the Kool Aid 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, meazza said:

To quote a failed presidential candidate, “what difference at this point does it make”

Herman Cain deserved better.
 

I liked that guy. 

[Golden Goat]

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Trump is "literally Hitler"  

 

It's amazing that the media still runs with this.

• Trump's daughter is an Orthodox Jew.
• Trump's son-in-law (and most trusted adviser) is an Orthodox Jew.
• Trump never massacred one Jew, let alone 6 million.
• Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (a broken campaign promise by almost every presidential candidate for decades).
• Trump's admin helped broker once-unthought-of peace deals with UAE, Bahrain and more to come.
• Trump treats Israeli leadership and citizens with respect, unlike his hateful predecessor.

Other than that, though -- HITLER!  

 

I'm on record saying I don't like many things Trump says and does. I don't plan on voting. However, those who calls him "Hitler" mock the memory of good folks like my ancestors who were exterminated at the hands of a REAL monster.

If Libs keep insulting our intelligence with this Hitler *****, they just might push me (and others like me) to the polls.
 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Golden Goat

[ziltoid]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

Herman Cain deserved better.
 

I liked that guy. 

 

Using anyone's death for political gain is horrendous.  Ignored. 

[shoshin]

39 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

 

Using anyone's death for political gain is horrendous.  Ignored. 

When the point is that the person deserved better than to have his death be a story because they attended an event that is in the news, I differ.

Make sure you get Meazza on ignore too since he brought him up. 
 

I applaud your sensitivity. We could use more people as soft as you here. 
 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by shoshin

[Q-baby!]

21 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

 

It's amazing that the media still runs with this.

• Trump's daughter is an Orthodox Jew.
• Trump's son-in-law (and most trusted adviser) is an Orthodox Jew.
• Trump never massacred one Jew, let alone 6 million.
• Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel (a broken campaign promise by almost every presidential candidate for decades).
• Trump's admin helped broker once-unthought-of peace deals with UAE, Bahrain and more to come.
• Trump treats Israeli leadership and citizens with respect, unlike his hateful predecessor.

Other than that, though -- HITLER!  

 

I'm on record saying I don't like many things Trump says and does. I don't plan on voting. However, those who calls him "Hitler" mock the memory of good folks like my ancestors who were exterminated at the hands of a REAL monster.

If Libs keep insulting our intelligence with this Hitler *****, they just might push me (and others like me) to the polls.
 

Ok drama queen. Vote if you want. FFS. 

[Golden Goat]

1 hour ago, Q-baby! said:

Ok drama queen. Vote if you want. FFS. 

 

Awwww, I triggered poor wittle Q-Tip again. I'm guessing you're a filthy anti-Semite, like a certain other lib troll -- not to mention any names.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Golden Goat

[Q-baby!]

11 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

 

Awwww, I triggered poor wittle Q-Tip again. I'm guessing you're a filthy anti-Semite, like a certain other lib troll -- not to mention any names.

 

 

Not triggered at all. Just laughing at another moron. You going to wear your best skirt to the polls? 

[Golden Goat]

11 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Not triggered at all. Just laughing at another moron. You going to wear your best skirt to the polls? 

Just another liberal Jew-hater making light of the Holocaust and too stupid to realize this kills his/her/its "cause." The moron would be you, Q-tip.
 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Golden Goat

[SoCal Deek]

You can tell how non-crisis like this pandemic has become just by reading the latest posts in this thread. Can we all go back to our lives now? Is it the first Wednesday in November yet?

[Q-baby!]

2 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:

Just another liberal Jew-hater making light of the Holocaust. Keep it up!

 

Making fun of you, not Jews or the holocaust. Nice try tard! 

[Gary M]

https://www.thecollegefix.com/bulletin-board/brown-u-epidemiologist-finds-zero-hospitalizations-from-26000-positive-covid-tests-for-college-students/

 

 

[shoshin]

35 minutes ago, Gary M said:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/bulletin-board/brown-u-epidemiologist-finds-zero-hospitalizations-from-26000-positive-covid-tests-for-college-students/

 

 

 

And yet, colleges are all the headline rage and more keep shutting down. Infuriating for this parent of a college freshman who is attending online. 

[Gary M]

14 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

And yet, colleges are all the headline rage and more keep shutting down. Infuriating for this parent of a college freshman who is attending online. 

 

https://www.thecollegefix.com/bulletin-board/brown-u-epidemiologist-finds-zero-hospitalizations-from-26000-positive-covid-tests-for-college-students/?fbclid=IwAR26a-crbrV15l64VPpbnxV5t7bhC5N8dR2JDSJvXzRvY60Yoze7btLho44

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

EXPECT MORE COVID RESTRICTIONS:

 

If you think Covid restrictions like California’s ridiculously detailed anti-indoor church regs are going away any time soon,

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci has some news for you.

 

Hint: You ain’t gonna like it.

 

 

 

 

 

[spartacus]

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/nfl-confirm-no-positive-covid-19-tests

 

For game 1- "A total of 3,600 players and team personnel, along with a further 1,400 gameday assistants, were all cleared to play"

 

On Tuesday 9/8,  "the NFL and NFLPA confirmed there were seven (1 player) positive results for COVID-19 from a total of 44,510 tests administered to 8,349 players and team personnel between August 30 and September 5."

 

Those masks sure are working for the NFL players.

basically no positive and no sickness.

 

Who wants to speculate that after the false positive fiasco, the NFL fired a lot of labs and gave specific directions to its contracted testing companies to run no more than 30 cycles in the PCR tests - unlike the rest of America

 

Magically - nobody in the NFL  is testing positive and nobody is sick

 

[Magox]

Florida now has COVID largely under control.

 

Deaths should begin falling pretty rapidly over the next month..

 

 

 

Also, on a slightly unrelated matter.  All these drops are happening in spite of the schools and the universities reopening.   As far as I'm concerned, the college kids getting infected with the virus and staying largely quarantined to a degree with each other is not the worst thing that could happen.   They'll eventually reach herd-like immunity and that will help protect their family members over the longer term.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

Florida now has COVID largely under control.

 

Deaths should begin falling pretty rapidly over the next month..

 

 

 

Also, on a slightly unrelated matter.  All these drops are happening in spite of the schools and the universities reopening.   As far as I'm concerned, the college kids getting infected with the virus and staying largely quarantined to a degree with each other is not the worst thing that could happen.   They'll eventually reach herd-like immunity and that will help protect their family members over the longer term.

This is very good news.

But be careful about data interpretation. Students returned to school and college quite recently (example: classes began at Univ of Florida on Aug 20). Of course, many returning students were tested, and it is reasonable to assume that those tested presented a vanishingly low rate of infection; after all, they were tested as part of a population survey, not because they were symptomatic. It may be a few weeks before we know whether this is a real bend in the curve or a function of the characteristics of the tested population.

[BillStime]

Trump knew and gambled with 200,000+ deaths.

 

You are responsible Trump voters - how you can justify another vote for this mediocrity is a disgrace.

 

You don’t care about America.

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

EXPECT MORE COVID RESTRICTIONS:

 

If you think Covid restrictions like California’s ridiculously detailed anti-indoor church regs are going away any time soon,

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci has some news for you.

 

Hint: You ain’t gonna like it

Hopefully we get more rulings like this so we never see this lock down nonsense again:

Pennsylvania's pandemic restrictions are unconstitutional, judge rules

Lawsuit was filed by Butler, Greene, Washington and Fayette counties
 

Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's closing of "non-life-sustaining" businesses and restrictions on gatherings during the COVID-19 pandemic were ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge on Monday.
 

"We're aware of the ruling and are reviewing the decision," a spokesperson for the governor's office said Monday afternoon.
 

</snip>
 

Stickman, an appointee of President Donald Trump, wrote in his ruling that the Wolf administration's pandemic policies have been overreaching, arbitrary and violated citizens' constitutional rights.
 

Stickman ruled in favor of individual and business plaintiffs, and he dismissed the county governments from the case. Individuals who won the favorable ruling include U.S. Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Pa.; state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, R-Butler; and various businesses including hair salons and the Starlight Drive-In.
 

The declaratory judgment says
"(1) that the congregate gathering limits imposed by defendants' mitigation orders violate the right of assembly enshrined in the First Amendment;
(2) that the stay-at-home and business closure components of defendants' orders violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment; and
(3) that the business closure components of defendants' orders violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."
 

</snip>

[ziltoid]

23 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

This is very good news.

But be careful about data interpretation. Students returned to school and college quite recently (example: classes began at Univ of Florida on Aug 20). Of course, many returning students were tested, and it is reasonable to assume that those tested presented a vanishingly low rate of infection; after all, they were tested as part of a population survey, not because they were symptomatic. It may be a few weeks before we know whether this is a real bend in the curve or a function of the characteristics of the tested population.

 

Ha, that has been the running joke here since sometime in April - just wait 2 more weeks.

[Magox]

14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

This is very good news.

But be careful about data interpretation. Students returned to school and college quite recently (example: classes began at Univ of Florida on Aug 20). Of course, many returning students were tested, and it is reasonable to assume that those tested presented a vanishingly low rate of infection; after all, they were tested as part of a population survey, not because they were symptomatic. It may be a few weeks before we know whether this is a real bend in the curve or a function of the characteristics of the tested population.

 

You are correct that the universities are essentially running sweeps that are testing symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals.  It's hard to know what the prevalency of those colleges are without knowing the fall admissions. 

 

 

However, we do have this number which dates back over a week ago.  If you estimate that the average student admissions are about 10k for the fall semester (I'm totally guessing here) then the prevalency is about 10% or so.    This also takes into account only ACTIVE cases.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The country as a whole which takes into account the colleges and schools have steadily been dropping.  Even in the face of all this, it's encouraging to seeing drops considering a statistically notable portion of them come from the universities.  

 

I would suspect that anywhere from 2-10% of these students had COVID previously that are not recorded in these numbers.

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

You are correct that the universities are essentially running sweeps that are testing symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals.  It's hard to know what the prevalency of those colleges are without knowing the fall admissions. 

 

 

However, we do have this number which dates back over a week ago.  If you estimate that the average student admissions are about 10k for the fall semester (I'm totally guessing here) then the prevalency is about 10% or so.    This also takes into account only ACTIVE cases.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The country as a whole which takes into account the colleges and schools have steadily been dropping.  Even in the face of all this, it's encouraging to seeing drops considering a statistically notable portion of them come from the universities.  

 

I would suspect that anywhere from 2-10% of these students had COVID previously that are not recorded in these numbers.

 

 

 

I agree with this part -- the rate of any significant complications of an infection with college age or younger persons appears to be very low. Again, good news. I think colleges are doing the right thing by not sending COVID-positive students home, but rather isolating them for 14 days, thereby avoiding the larger risk of transmission to older persons. We are learning a lot about the behavior of this virus. It's easy to forget that we (in the United States) have only about 6 months of experience with it since it began to infect significant numbers of people.

[spartacus]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I agree with this part -- the rate of any significant complications of an infection with college age or younger persons appears to be very low. Again, good news. I think colleges are doing the right thing by not sending COVID-positive students home, but rather isolating them for 14 days, thereby avoiding the larger risk of transmission to older persons. We are learning a lot about the behavior of this virus. It's easy to forget that we (in the United States) have only about 6 months of experience with it since it began to infect significant numbers of people.

does anyone have any "scientific" support for the 14 day quarantine mandated when the "novel virus first made an appearance

 

this number looks to be as arbitrary as the rest of Covid directives

especially since it has never been modified to reflect 8 months of actual data and reaearch

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, spartacus said:

does anyone have any "scientific" support for the 14 day quarantine mandated when the "novel virus first made an appearance

 

this number looks to be as arbitrary as the rest of Covid directives

especially since it has never been modified to reflect 8 months of actual data and reaearch

The average incubation period appears to be longer than previously thought.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3096653/coronavirus-average-incubation-period-may-be-longer-first

There is a reasonable argument that presumptively infected persons should self-isolate for longer than 14 days, but as with all such things there's an attempt to reach a balance here. 14 days definitely isn't "arbitrary" but that's not to say the standard shouldn't be adjusted based on experience with the disease.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...has there been any unbiased (COUGH) somewhat accurate Covid-19 data that identifies the percentage of deaths where the decedents had preexisting conditions versus bonafide Covid-19 deaths SOLELY from it?......or...is that a big secret?......

[keepthefaith]

41 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I think colleges are doing the right thing by not sending COVID-positive students home, but rather isolating them for 14 days, thereby avoiding the larger risk of transmission to older persons.

 

You're damn right.  I told one of my kids who is away at school, "you're not coming home if you get this thing." 

 

All students getting tested twice a week mandatory. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

You're damn right.  I told one of my kids who is away at school, "you're not coming home if you get this thing." 

 

All students getting tested twice a week mandatory. 

 

...my boss's daughter got sent home after testing positive......now he is showing symptoms and is quarantined for 14 days as well....they get daily texts from the Monroe County (Rochester) Health Dept......another employee visited her ill Mom in Iowa, a state on Big Fredo's list......she is also in quarantine for 14 days and receives same daily Health Dept contacts....