The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

Thank you for this post!

 

I didn't even research what you are saying in regards to the average stay in nursing homes being 5 1/2 months.  Not to sound cold and callous but frankly speaking, I would say that the average profile of the COVID death of 80 years old with 2 or more comorbidities probably has an even shorter time span than the 5 1/2 months that you cited.   

 

And with today's media and political environment there is no "greater good" discussions that can be had.  It's impossible.   Even if politicians and the media decided to all of a sudden begin discussing/covering this virus in a serious manner, the mental damage has been done.  There are too many people who are suffering through a sort of trauma that has been promulgated via the media and the emotive equation now trumps the logical state for too many people.   Anecdotally speaking, I can't even begin to have these sort of conversations with people that I know on Social media.  They simply block out any news that can be construed as positive.  They don't want to talk about it.   I will probably create a thread about this because I do believe that there is sort of a stockholm syndrome effect that is occurring through many people's minds.  Where they live in this cocoon of fear and they don't want to leave it no matter what the circumstances dictate.  Sort of like survivors that suffer the stockholm syndrome, after a while they begin to care for their captor and when given the opportunity to escape they don't.   Not saying the two are the exact same, and I have given this a lot of thought but I do think there is a sort of a connection in mentality between the two.  Except this time the captor is the media which drives fear.  And even though when presented factual data to alleviate this fear, the survivors which in this case are the ones who are living in this condition due to the virus decide to remain in their cocoon of fear.

 

 

 

Living in fear can be bad on immune system. 

 

I'm taking this virus complex and something new to learn each time.

[Joe Miner]

There are numerous studies that question the effectiveness of cloth masks.  Some even show that cloth masks raise the chance of infection.

 

Why do we question the effectiveness of some medicines and measures but not others?

[Buffalo_Gal]

39 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

There are numerous studies that question the effectiveness of cloth masks.  Some even show that cloth masks raise the chance of infection.

 

Why do we question the effectiveness of some medicines and measures but not others?

Here's an NIH mask study.  Get an N95 mask if you are concerned. Those work. The rest some might refer to as a placebo (or control).

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[shoshin]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

This is a really big country! The response to this virus has been, and continues to be, way too holistic. We simply don’t have a problem out here in California...and we haven’t since this all started. 

 

States running the show gives this result. 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Here's an NIH mask study.  Get an N95 mask if you are concerned. Those work. The rest some might refer to as a placebo (or control).

 

 

For healthcare workers working all day with sick people, who may or may not disinfect the cloth masks, cloth masks are a bad choice. That is different from you in your 20 minutes at Wegmans. It's a limited conclusion. 

Edited May 11, 2020 by shoshin

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

States running the show gives this result. 

It’s past time for Red states to go full open. The Blue states can remain closed until chaos breaks out...but zero federal dollars should be used to bail them out.

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Here's an NIH mask study.  Get an N95 mask if you are concerned. Those work. The rest some might refer to as a placebo (or control).

 

 

I do believe that masks reduce the spread of the virus, but if the border wall debate taught me anything it's that any measure that isn't 100% effective isn't worth doing at all, so I won't be using a mask.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Foxx]

more on California being the test ground for draconian measures or bunk?

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

more on California being the test ground for draconian measures or bunk?

 

That's been debunked.

 

[Foxx]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

That's been debunked.

 

that didn't take long, lol, thanks.

[IDBillzFan]

Just now, Foxx said:

that didn't take long, lol, thanks.

 

We had it sent to us over the weekend from our CA friends, and while it proved to be untrue, let's be honest: who here wouldn't believe it if it were true? CA is already eager to threaten to take your kids away via some obscure homeschooling laws, so this isn't a stretch.

[GG]

Still waiting for the spike in cases in Williamsburg Brooklyn after the funeral fiasco 2 weeks ago ….

 

Maybe the inward backwards sect is on to something?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, GG said:

Still waiting for the spike in cases in Williamsburg Brooklyn after the funeral fiasco 2 weeks ago ….

 

Maybe the inward backwards sect is on to something?

 

Science deniers, the lot of them

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, Joe Miner said:

There are numerous studies that question the effectiveness of cloth masks.  Some even show that cloth masks raise the chance of infection.

 

Why do we question the effectiveness of some medicines and measures but not others?

Mostly due to virtue signaling. A face covering ( not common in USA before this) is a fear inducing item, and subconsciously a sign of submissiveness. It’s an extreme change, and therefore viewed as favorable. The effectiveness of gloves, on the other hand has also been questioned. Those items of PPE have been largely panned by the media. They’re just not extreme enough .The idea is to create a population that is submissive , and passive to government control. 

[plenzmd1]

On 5/9/2020 at 9:17 PM, shoshin said:

This is the google project. Doing lots of testing and cost is free if you’re symptom free. 
 

http://projectbaseline.com/study/covid-19

 

 

Just had this done. Rite Aid parking lot in Colonial Heights VA.

 

Had an 11:30 slot, arrived right at 11:30, two lanes for testing, 1 car in front of me in each lane. Confirmed my ID,then wait for tent to open up.

 

The had a six foot folding table( perfect for slamming, but i digress), they stood at one end, sent a plastic tray with a swab and vial in it to car  window. Test consisted of opening the swab the swab, inserting in left nostril about halfway up, two full rotations in nostril..then hold there for 15 seconds.

 

Repeat for the right nostril. Seal in vial, put it back in tray, end of test.

 

Was there about 5 minutes, self administered, and was not what i feared which was that thing being shoved halfway down your nasal cavity.

 

Again , I have no inclination i have the virus, but if it takes more testing to get our lives back, i will do it.

 

 

[shoshin]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Mostly due to virtue signaling. A face covering ( not common in USA before this) is a fear inducing item, and subconsciously a sign of submissiveness. It’s an extreme change, and therefore viewed as favorable. The effectiveness of gloves, on the other hand has also been questioned. Those items of PPE have been largely panned by the media. They’re just not extreme enough .The idea is to create a population that is submissive , and passive to government control. 

 

Social distancing and health measures are not a sign of weakness. They are attempts to minimize the spread of a virus that has killed ~80,000 people in 2 months. We are all in the infection pool together and even if you're not at risk, as I believe I am not, I don't want to spread it to others who might be more at risk. That should be all of our goal so our health system can maintain itself and at-risk people are protected. 

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Just had this done. Rite Aid parking lot in Colonial Heights VA.

 

Had an 11:30 slot, arrived right at 11:30, two lanes for testing, 1 car in front of me in each lane. Confirmed my ID,then wait for tent to open up.

 

The had a six foot folding table( perfect for slamming, but i digress), they stood at one end, sent a plastic tray with a swab and vial in it to car  window. Test consisted of opening the swab the swab, inserting in left nostril about halfway up, two full rotations in nostril..then hold there for 15 seconds.

 

Repeat for the right nostril. Seal in vial, put it back in tray, end of test.

 

Was there about 5 minutes, self administered, and was not what i feared which was that thing being shoved halfway down your nasal cavity.

 

Again , I have no inclination i have the virus, but if it takes more testing to get our lives back, i will do it.

 

 

 

There are other tests for $120 from Quest that test for antibodies without a prescription.

 

I have almost no chance of having the virus now so the Rite Aid thing is unlikely to come back positive. The antibody one will also not likely show something but it would have more chance since it will indicate a past infection (if accurate). 

 

The prevalence of this in society at large is not going to be that high but even though I'm busy at work, I'm happy to go out give this a try. I'd love to know I'm clear or being a high-risk carrier to others. 

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Social distancing and health measures are not a sign of weakness. They are attempts to minimize the spread of a virus that has killed ~80,000 people in 2 months. We are all in the infection pool together and even if you're not at risk, as I believe I am not, I don't want to spread it to others who might be more at risk. That should be all of our goal so our health system can maintain itself and at-risk people are protected. 

The discussion was focused on why some things are treated favorably over others , even when the effectiveness of each has been questioned. Weakness was not a word I used, and no one wants to spread this virus.  Giving each other a little more personal space is not undesirable even without Covid 19. Personally, I’ve worn nitrile gloves and a face covering in every store I’ve entered since they’ve been required fwiw. 

Edited May 11, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[IDBillzFan]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Just had this done. Rite Aid parking lot in Colonial Heights VA.

 

Would you stand still for one moment, please? I'm tracking you on Google maps and I can't tell if that's a receding hairline or a bad camera angle.

[plenzmd1]

34 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Would you stand still for one moment, please? I'm tracking you on Google maps and I can't tell if that's a receding hairline or a bad camera angle.

both? No good angle for my mug. I use chrome on the phone too..those fuggers know every hooker  and crack den i have ever been to, this ain't giving em any more insight. Funny, i never sign up to anything with my google account, when doing this whats the point of not?

Edited May 11, 2020 by plenzmd1

[meazza]

1 hour ago, GG said:

Still waiting for the spike in cases in Williamsburg Brooklyn after the funeral fiasco 2 weeks ago ….

 

Maybe the inward backwards sect is on to something?

Is it because the Jews have the cure ?

[GG]

9 minutes ago, meazza said:

Is it because the Jews have the cure ?

 

It would only be fitting that the most primitive backward sect stumbled onto the cure.

[Dante]

And...............they continue to lie. They outright come out and say the numbers are false. How much more do the sheep have to see? Or maybe they don't want to see. They are happy being obedient to big brother masters. I guess the safety (perceived) is a more palatable option to dangerous (again that's perceived) freedom?

 

[B-Man]

 

WEIRD. SHUT DOWN THE CLINICS AND THIS HAPPENS: 

 

Measles vaccinations in U.S. children fall up to 60 percent since pandemic, CDC says.

 

 

 

[meazza]

39 minutes ago, GG said:

 

It would only be fitting that the most primitive backward sect stumbled onto the cure.

 

 

How are the Amish doing?

[GG]

18 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

 

How are the Amish doing?

 

Good Q.   I don't know the population dispersion across PA counties.  Here's the PA map.  The case growth has slowed down in the last few days and is still centered around Philly & exurbs..  

Edited May 11, 2020 by GG

[Dante]

Since when do we take orders from Beetlejuice?  And check out the muscle behind her lol. This is a sneak peek into the future with these low IQ hacks ruling us. What a scary pos she is.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NpkxSfFg4RAJ/

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Get a load of this

 

 

 

 

 

European Virus?

[spartacus]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Just had this done. Rite Aid parking lot in Colonial Heights VA.

 

Had an 11:30 slot, arrived right at 11:30, two lanes for testing, 1 car in front of me in each lane. Confirmed my ID,then wait for tent to open up.

 

The had a six foot folding table( perfect for slamming, but i digress), they stood at one end, sent a plastic tray with a swab and vial in it to car  window. Test consisted of opening the swab the swab, inserting in left nostril about halfway up, two full rotations in nostril..then hold there for 15 seconds.

 

Repeat for the right nostril. Seal in vial, put it back in tray, end of test.

 

Was there about 5 minutes, self administered, and was not what i feared which was that thing being shoved halfway down your nasal cavity.

 

Again , I have no inclination i have the virus, but if it takes more testing to get our lives back, i will do it.

 

 

how accurate can the test be if it is dependent on sticking it a certain distance up your nose

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

Get a load of this

 

 

 

 

 

European Virus?

 

rumor is that the strain in NY is similar opt he strain in Europe.

The Wuhan strain was tracked on in Oregon and west coast

 

The development of multiple distinct strains makes it almost impossible to ever develop an "effective" vaccine.

 

 

[Magox]

5 minutes ago, spartacus said:

how accurate can the test be if it is dependent on sticking it a certain distance up your nose

 

rumor is that the strain in NY is similar opt he strain in Europe.

The Wuhan strain was tracked on in Oregon and west coast

 

The development of multiple distinct strains makes it almost impossible to ever develop an "effective" vaccine.

 

 

 

I get that, but that isn't the point.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

15 minutes ago, Dante said:

Since when do we take orders from Beetlejuice?  And check out the muscle behind her lol. This is a sneak peek into the future with these low IQ hacks ruling us. What a scary pos she is.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/NpkxSfFg4RAJ/

Beetlejuice. Congrats, bud that is gonna stick I am telling you!?

[Wacka]

7 hours ago, Reality Check said:

At this point in time, I find it a little odd that with so many people who have recovered from this, why there aren't more news stories interviewing these recovery stories. We could all use some positive stories about beating this disease, and yet there is almost nothing. I am sure it is nothing of course.

Remember the MSM adage:   If it bleeds it leads.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Just wanted to post an update on my daughter Cassandra. First, she is doing fantastic. She is doing her school work, playing, and enjoying spending time with her family. It has been a week since we left Buffalo Children's Hospital. I want to thank all of you for the cards, kind words, and prayers. Many people have asked me what exactly happened so I will explain. I needed to collect my thoughts before I posted just because there is so much information.

Cassandra was diagnosed with myocarditis which is the inflammation of the heart. Only 1 out of 100,000 children have this happen and usually one of the causes is a virus. Cassandra happened to be the unlucky winner. The virus she contracted was called Coxsackie B3. This virus is a common childhood illness. Most young children have mild or no symptoms. Very few children are extremely sick and in Cassandra's case, she was literally struck by lightning being child 100,000. Overall, this condition is very rare for a common virus.

The day we took Cassandra to WCA ER in Jamestown is a day I will never forget. In the morning, Cassandra had a slight fever and seemed to be calm. The only alert I had was she pointed to her right side and stated that it hurt. Something in me and  alerted that perhaps she might have appendicitis and we rushed her to the emergency room. About ten minutes after she was admitted, Cassandra started to deteriorate while I and the health care professionals were watching. Immediately Buffalo Children's was called and a chopper flew in to stabilize her and send her out. Her hands and feet were getting cold and she was turning pale and blue. I couldn't believe what I was witnessing and that my child was dying in front of me. I also witnessed so much more which is too hard to explain at this time.

As Cassandra was being flown to Buffalo Children's Hospital, my husband and I drove. As we approached the city, the hospital contacted us by phone and asked for my consent to put her on life support. I told them to proceed but wasn't sure if she was going to make it. It was a critical time but we both had to stay focus to make it to where she was at. As we entered Buffalo Children's, both my husband and I were allowed to enter together just because security made an exception (COVID regulations) just in case she died and we were both there to say our goodbyes.

As hours passed, Cassandra was stabilized on ECMO life support. A kind doctor at Children's that night sat with my husband and I and stated we saved her life and that if we even waited an hour later, she would not be with us and if we would have rushed her to the hospital earlier, she may have been misdiagnosed and sent home. He mentioned the timing was perfect.

Cassandra's chances of surviving were less than 40% when she had to be put on life support (ECMO). In other words, miracles do happen and prayers are answered. It was a mere coincidence that Cassandra suffered this Coxsackie B virus during a COVID pandemic. As I am writing this, the best advice I could provide you is be careful. Careful I mean is wash your hands, cover your face, and respect distance. I am seeing people out there not doing this. What I learned from all of this is no one is an exception from getting any virus and it destroying them. It doesn't matter if your healthy or not. My daughter was extremely healthy before getting sick.

 

My sister posted few days ago. Glad doing well. Don't use facebook much.

 

Coxsackie B virus

 

 

 

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Coxsackie B4 virus.

Coxsackie B (also written coxsackievirus B) is a group of six types of enterovirus belonging to the Picornaviridae family. They cause symptoms ranging from gastrointestinal distress to aseptic meningitis, pericarditis and myocarditis. Like other enteroviruses, Coxsackie B viruses have a tropism for muscle cells and have been linked to myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia,^[1] as well as Type 1 Diabetes.

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• 1Symptoms
• 2Types
  • 2.1Coxsackie B1
  • 2.2Coxsackie B2
  • 2.3Coxsackie B3
  • 2.4Coxsackie B4
  • 2.5Coxsackie B5
  • 2.6Coxcackie B6
• 3Immune system
• 4Mitochondria
• 5Exercise
• 6Chronic infection
• 7In human disease
  • 7.1Myalgic Encephalomyelitis
    • 7.1.1Blood testing
    • 7.1.2PCR
    • 7.1.3Muscle biopsy
  • 7.2Fibromyalgia
  • 7.3Type 1 diabetes
• 8Testing
• 9Antivirals and immunomodulators for coxsackievirus B 
• 10Factors which worsen coxsackievirus B infection
• 11See also
• 12References

Symptoms[edit | edit source]

Symptoms of infection with viruses in the Coxsackie B grouping include fever, headache, sore throat, gastrointestinal distress, extreme fatigue as well as chest and muscle pain. It can also lead to spasms in arms and legs.

Types[edit | edit source]

Coxsackie B1[edit | edit source]

Coxsackie B2[edit | edit source]

Coxsackie B3[edit | edit source]

Coxsackie B3 is found in 20-25% of patients with cardiomyopathy and myocarditis.^[2][3][4][5]

Coxsackie B4[edit | edit source]

Coxsackievirus B4 has a cell tropism for natural killer cells and pancreatic islet cells.^{[citation needed]}

Coxsackie B5[edit | edit source]

Coxcackie B6[edit | edit source]

Immune system[edit | edit source]

In a mouse model of myocarditis, Coxsackievirus infection was found to upregulate Toll-like receptor 4 on mast cells and macrophages immediately following infection. It also increased numbers of mast cells.^[6]

The induction of interferon signaling and the induction of apoptosis are required for normal control of a Coxsackie B3 infection. Coxsackievirus B3 cleaves Mitochondrial Antiviral Signaling (MAVS) protein and Toll/IL-1 receptor domain-containing adaptor inducing interferon-beta TRIF to inhibit type I interferon induction and evade host immunity.^[7] Conversely, upregulation of MAVS inhibits Coxsackie B3 by increasing type-1 interferon production.^[8]

Mitochondria[edit | edit source]

Coxsackievirus B3 cleaves Mitochondrial Antiviral Signaling (MAVS) protein to inhibit type I interferon induction.^[9] Conversely, upregulation of MAVS inhibits coxsackie B3 by increasing type-1 interferon production.^[10]

Exercise[edit | edit source]

Several studies of a mouse model of Coxsackie B3 myocarditis have found that exercise increases the virulence of the infection and results in poorer outcomes.^{[11][12][13][14][15]} These studies compare two groups of mice, both infected with CVB3, one that is exercised and the other, sedentary. They found:

• Exercised mice died of congestive heart failure (the majority while swimming) and had 530X the amount of virus.^[14]
• Exercised mice had increased viral titers, mortality and fiber necrosis.^[12]
• Exercised mice had higher viremia and virus in the hearts and no circulating interferon; non-exercised mice had detectable interferon activity, higher levels of neutralizing antibodies^[15]
• Exercised mice died at much higher rates (52% v. 0 sedentary mice), but not if they were immunosuppressed.^[11]
• Increased T cytotoxic, T suppressor, and T cytotoxic, suppressor/T helper cell ratio, and myocardial inflammatory and necrotic lesions with exercise at 48 hours after infection. "Failure to restrict physical activity in the acute phase of this infection may well contribute to the progression of the disease."^[13]

Chronic infection[edit | edit source]

Main article: Non-cytolytic enterovirus

Coxsackievirus B is able to establish a chronic intracellular non-cytolytic infection which can persist for years. Non-cytolytic enterovirus infection does not involve the destruction of infected cells. Non-cytolytic infection is difficult to measure in the serum as viral particles remain in the cell walls of tissues.

The molecular mechanisms of non-cytolytic infection were examined in a small study comparing Coxsackie B2 virus cultured in vitro to RNA extracted via muscle biopsy from eight patients with a chronic fatigue syndrome diagnosis. All patients had symptoms of muscle fatiguability. Four of these samples tested positive for enteroviral RNA. In all four patients with enteroviral-specific RNA, the enteroviral RNA had equal amounts of positive sense and negative sense RNA. By contrast, CVB2 virus in culture produced positive sense RNA at a ratio of 100:1. An equal ratio of positive to negative sense RNA would inhibit the translation of virus-specific gene products, explaining the failure to attract a response from the host immune system, and my account for how CVB2 could establish a persistent infection in these four patients.^[16]

Models of persistent infection of the heart^[17] and brain^[18] have also been studied in mice and in thyroid carcinoma.

In human disease[edit | edit source]

Viruses in the Coxsackie B family progress to myocarditis or pericarditis, which can result in permanent heart damage or death. Coxsackie B virus infection may also induce aseptic meningitis. As a group, they are the most common cause of unexpected sudden death, and may account for up to 50% of such cases.^[19]

https://www.me-pedia.org/wiki/Coxsackie_B_virus

 

Coxsackie virus is crazy. See sudden death lots of people  . 

 

If people think if a virus cannot attack the heart or place there think again. Or any place in human that a certain virus attacks.

 

[Magox]

I was just thinking, if Cuomo is calling this virus the "European virus" and considering that 65% of the Virus in the US researchers estimate came from New York.

 

By his logic, we may as well begin calling it the New York Virus.   Amirite?

[Tiberius]

The White House virus, it's spreading there because they don't take safety precautions 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, spartacus said:

 

The development of multiple distinct strains makes it almost impossible to ever develop an "effective" vaccine.

 

 

I just don't want to let this fear-spreading statement stand. That's not true unless the vaccine developed attacks something in one strain that is much different than another. Most of the vaccines so far have been focused on the spike part of the virus, which is largely unchanged between strains. 

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

I was just thinking, if Cuomo is calling this virus the "European virus" and considering that 65% of the Virus in the US researchers estimate came from New York.

 

By his logic, we may as well begin calling it the New York Virus.   Amirite?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Good Q.   I don't know the population dispersion across PA counties.  Here's the PA map.  The case growth has slowed down in the last few days and is still centered around Philly & exurbs..  

 

I don't know how they are doing medically, but I can tell you from experience, they and the Mennonites *hate* wearing the masks, washing hands and being told only one of them is permitted in a store.  They are slowly getting with the program.  Slowly.    

[SectionC3]

 

4 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

I do believe that masks reduce the spread of the virus, but if the border wall debate taught me anything it's that any measure that isn't 100% effective isn't worth doing at all, so I won't be using a mask.

 

Makes sense.  Rather than bother with limited effectiveness, just go straight to no effectiveness.  Seems like a solid plan. 

[Magox]

4 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

I do believe that masks reduce the spread of the virus, but if the border wall debate taught me anything it's that any measure that isn't 100% effective isn't worth doing at all, so I won't be using a mask.

 

You make a good point.