The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Gene Frenkle]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What's more important than this knowledge though, seriously? Honest question: Would you rather live in a mirage designed to keep you forever ignorant and powerless, or would you rather live in reality, with actual agency in the future for not just your country but yourself?

 

That to me is a fundamental question that extends beyond all partisanship or politics. The leader of the free world, as you rightly stated, should lead people to freedom, not continued servitude of unseen masters, should they not? Even if that means breaking with tradition (especially when those traditions are meant to manipulate/control you), isn't that the job description?  

 

 

Yes, the media is horrible, with few exceptions.  Many peaple, including myself, know this.  I choose to ignore them for the most part, get my information from as unbiased outlets as possible and I move on with my life.  If that's the most important thing to you ok.  Moving on...

 

Knowledge is important.  Fact-based knowledge.  You argue for it in one breath and excuse Trump's propensity to disseminate knowledge that he doesn't possess in the next.

[SectionC3]

59 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

imo He said it to bait the press into doing precisely what they did: deny common knowledge so even those people not paying attention hear about it. 

 

Trump's single biggest accomplishment of his first term in my opinion is his exposure of just how much the establishment media curates our reality. That's a very powerful, and empowering, realization to make as an individual. Trump facilitates that better than most anyone, even among those people who dislike him immensely. 

 

That's a pretty tangible thing that he accomplished.  And exactly what he ran on.  All the other stuff he ran (Mexico paying for static border security, use of eminent domain to take property from private landowners to accomplish Mexican-backed static border security, improving healthcare, 6% GDP growth, more manufacturing jobs for Americans, exhausting winning) can wait until the next term, right?

[Turk71]

Covid 19?  Inject disinfectant and put ultraviolet lights inside your body, problem solved.???

[Q-baby!]

3 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Covid 19?  Inject disinfectant and put ultraviolet lights inside your body, problem solved.???

Do you have to take zinc with it? 

[jrober38]

7 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Covid 19?  Inject disinfectant and put ultraviolet lights inside your body, problem solved.???

 

Dumbest thing I've heard since asking if the flu shot would help. 

 

The guy in charge is so out to lunch it's scary. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by jrober38

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

59 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

I'm sure it is, considering your priorities. No big deal.  While you might enjoy this accomplishment, an ongoing pissing match with the press may be self-satisfying for him, but it is an extremely unpresidential look. It's like he's so insecure, he needs to bring himself down to their level. Like, you're the ***** leader of the free world. Why do it? It's the same crap he pulls on Twitter. He should be better than that.

I’ve never understood this.  Let’s take the war waged on freedom waved by the DOJ/FBI, and propped up by prominent members of the establishment media against President Trump.  
 

What’s the appropriate presidential demeanor when you’re accused of treason, and you feel the National press is in on the assault?  We can break it down by year if you prefer.  What does one say in year one, obviously thinking no one will actually believe this absurd story.  Soon though, you find it engulfing 25% of your administration.  By year two, would you expect the presidential demeanor to shift a bit, become more relaxed as 50% of your administration wasted away?  Year three, as the scandal of a potentially treasonous American president moved ever forward, taking valuable time away from the things you were hoping to accomplish, 75% of the most important job in the world wasting away, allegations, fbi raids, governmental tyranny at its worst, how would one normally act at that stage?  
 

Who is an exemplary Presidential president in your mind, and what scandal would you suggest they weathered that compared to “Trump is guilty of treason?”.

[shoshin]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

FIND THIS GUY'S CLIP!!

Bleach kills it in 5 minutes, isopropyl alcohol kills in in 30 seconds

Trump - asking about hitting the body with a light, or inside the body with a light. They will be testing that.  Trump also asking about disinfectant in the lungs. The guy said they will be testing that.

I had to find this clip. What a moron! Drinking 8 oz of bleach will also end your battle with Covid-19. So will cooking yourself for 2 minutes in a microwave. There are a lot of ways to deal with Covid-19.

[SectionC3]

Just now, shoshin said:

I had to find this clip. What a moron! Drinking 8 oz of bleach will also end your battle with Covid-19. So will cooking yourself for 2 minutes in a microwave. There are a lot of ways to deal with Covid-19.

 

Here's the quote:

 

“Then I see the disinfectant, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that so that you’ll have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds interesting to me. So we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, where it goes in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”

[meazza]

29 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Dumbest thing I've heard since asking if the flu shot would help. 

 

The guy in charge is so out to lunch it's scary. 

Just an FYI, people who survived the Russian flu seemed to fare better against the Spanish flu.

[realtruelove]

WE'RE DOOMED

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, realtruelove said:

WE'RE DOOMED

Oh, quit your bleachin’. 

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Oh, quit your bleachin’. 

Too late.  Started on a bleach power hour 30 minutes ago.  Why kill COVID with a hammer when you can hit it with a nuclear weapon?  Thank goodness for the stable genius. 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Yes, the media is horrible, with few exceptions.  Many peaple, including myself, know this.  I choose to ignore them for the most part, get my information from as unbiased outlets as possible and I move on with my life.  If that's the most important thing to you ok.  Moving on...

 

Knowledge is important.  Fact-based knowledge.  You argue for it in one breath and excuse Trump's propensity to disseminate knowledge that he doesn't possess in the next.

 

Saying Trump is exposing the media's role in cultivating our reality doesn't mean I'm saying everything Trump says is true or truthful. That's never been something I've believed or stated. What I believe, and what I often have said before, is that individual discernment is needed. That means using it to vet every piece of information you ingest, especially from politicians and Trump. 

 

As an example, using my own discernment: it's entirely unsurprising that a person as narcissistic as Trump is (everyone who runs for president is by definition a narcissist, but Trump was one long before he won office), who's a salesman by nature (and from NYC of all places) overstates his "tremendousness" whenever he can. It's both innate in his nature and an automatic defense/deflection mechanism I recognize in many, many New Yorkers. 

 

What is surprising to me is that the media would lie about something so commonly known that even me, a non-virologist or MD, knew it. Because that makes me wonder, if they'd lie about that -- so blatantly -- what else would they lie about? 

 

(And I understand and accept we are of different minds on this issue -- just expounding a bit.  )

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Q-baby! said:

Do you have to take zinc with it? 

 

No.  Like Genie, you guys are safe.

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Thousands, for sure, as of the start of this year:

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479041-fact-checker-counts-16k-false-misleading-claims-by-trump-in-three 

The Post added that the president claimed nearly 100 times that his phone call with Zelensky was “perfect,” a claim deemed false or misleading due to alarms raised by White House officials. 

 

I think someone has way too much time on their hands. ?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

WHO I guess delete videos on youtube when criticize them.  ***** them.  Partnership with youtube I guess.

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Fake news.  I post lots of serious stuff.  And I am fulfilled. 

 

Thousands, for sure, as of the start of this year:

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479041-fact-checker-counts-16k-false-misleading-claims-by-trump-in-three

 

April.  He tried to wish it away by April.  Last I checked, it's still here. 

 

What would Pelosi do? Go to China town? Eat ice cream? Support abortions (hide something loophole in stimulus )  over people suffering get real man. While people losing there jobs. Small business but if you want to support Nancy Pelosi ice cream.  That's awful.

Edited April 24, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[dpberr]

2 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Covid 19?  Inject disinfectant and put ultraviolet lights inside your body, problem solved.???

He needs to stop doing the daily press conferences because the bad days of a rambling, tired old man at the podium are starting to out number the decent days where you get a sense he's got things somewhat under control.

 

 

 

 

[SectionC3]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

WHO I guess delete videos on youtube when criticize them.  ***** them.  Partnership with youtube I guess.

 

What would Pelosi do? Go to China town? Eat ice cream? Support abortions (hide something loophole in stimulus )  over people suffering get real man. While people losing there jobs. Small business but if you want to support Nancy Pelosi ice cream.  That's awful.

We’ll never know what a right-wing boogeyperson would have done.   But we know that Trump did.  Or didn’t do.  And that’s take this situation seriously.  It was never a hoax.  It was never going to be wished away.  And those are things that trump simply can’t undo. 

[Gene Frenkle]

Coronavirus: Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.

 

He also appeared to propose irradiating patients' bodies with UV light, an idea dismissed by a doctor at the briefing.

 

Another of his officials had moments earlier said sunlight and disinfectant were known to kill the infection.

 

Mr Trump's own public health agencies warn against bleach as a medicine.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

 

I just don't even understand what the man is doing. Does he have a psychological condition or something? What in the absolute !@#$.

[TakeYouToTasker]

59 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Coronavirus: Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment

US President Donald Trump has been lambasted by the medical community after suggesting research into whether coronavirus might be treated by injecting disinfectant into the body.

 

He also appeared to propose irradiating patients' bodies with UV light, an idea dismissed by a doctor at the briefing.

 

Another of his officials had moments earlier said sunlight and disinfectant were known to kill the infection.

 

Mr Trump's own public health agencies warn against bleach as a medicine.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

 

I just don't even understand what the man is doing. Does he have a psychological condition or something? What in the absolute !@#$.

 Did...  did you just unironically post this not 10 posts down from claiming the news media to be garbage?

 

A person would need to have an IQ below that of a cabbage to believe that the President suggested injecting bleach or that UV therapy could treat the virus.

 

Sunlight is good for boosting the immune system.  Disinfectants kill the virus on surfaces.

 

The press is suggesting the President meant something he did not, which is par for the course.

[Gene Frenkle]

10 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 Did...  did you just unironically post this not 10 posts down from claiming the news media to be garbage?

 

A person would need to have an IQ below that of a cabbage to believe that the President suggested injecting bleach or that UV therapy could treat the virus.

 

Sunlight is good for boosting the immune system.  Disinfectants kill the virus on surfaces.

 

The press is suggesting the President meant something he did not, which is par for the course.

 

Yes, the BBC. What an incredible bastion of socialist propaganda. There is credible journalism outside of American Thinker, Breitbart and Fox News. I would have included Druge, but he basically sold out to the commies, amirite?

[Gene Frenkle]

 

You probably like that pinko rag Forbes, no?

 

Dr. Vin Gupta, a pulmonologist and NBC News contributor, told the network “This notion of injecting or ingesting any type of cleansing product into the body is irresponsible and it’s dangerous…It’s a common method that people utilize when they want to kill themselves.”

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/04/23/trump-suggests-injecting-coronavirus-patients-with-light-or-disinfectants-contradicting-experts/

[Gene Frenkle]

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP:

 

Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of if you are totally into that world which I find to be very interesting. So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light and I think you said that hasn't been checked but you are going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do either through the skin or in some other way and I think you said you were going to test that too. It sounds interesting.

Right. And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number (INAUDIBLE) interesting to check that so that you are going to have to use medical doctors with but it sounds interesting to me so we will see but the whole concept of the light the way it kills it in one minute that's--that's pretty powerful. Steve, please.

[shoshin]

Fauci, on how we lack the ability to do enough tests now. 
 

"We absolutely need to significantly ramp up, not only the number of tests but the capacity to actually perform them," Fauci said.
 

That way, he continued, "you don't have a situation where you have a test, but it can't be done because there's not a swab, or not an extraction media or not the right vial -- all of those things got to be in place."

 

"I am not overly confident right now at all, that we have what it takes to do that," Fauci added.

 

[Tiberius]

(Jabin Botsford/The Post)

 

Trump’s comments prompt doctors to warn against ingesting bleach

After a presentation that touched on the disinfectants that can kill the coronavirus on surfaces and in the air, President Trump pondered whether those chemicals could be used inside the human body. Doctors answered: “People will die.” 

• By Allyson Chiu and Katie Shepherd
• 56 minutes ago

[shoshin]

5 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 Did...  did you just unironically post this not 10 posts down from claiming the news media to be garbage?

 

A person would need to have an IQ below that of a cabbage to believe that the President suggested injecting bleach or that UV therapy could treat the virus.

 

Except that’s exactly what he said. His quote is a few posts below your post. 

 

5 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Sunlight is good for boosting the immune system.  Disinfectants kill the virus on surfaces.

 

The press is suggesting the President meant something he did not, which is par for the course.

Not here. You can read his quote. He was excited to hear about how disinfectants and UV light  killed the virus on surfaces and suggested the experts look into how to do that inside the body.

 

There’s no real defending this. Just hit Trump with the frying pan, move on to today, and pray that he doesn’t take up the mike as much. 

[TH3]

trump is easier to read than a cheap comic book....just keeps getting stupider. Born on third base with dad’s money...never did anything the hard way...from the bottom up. Now he keeps looking for and touting short cuts he can pitch to the public to make it appear that he is gonna pull this deal out of the fire. You bet on the wrong guy trumptards.

Edited April 24, 2020 by TH3

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

25 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

(Jabin Botsford/The Post)

 

Trump’s comments prompt doctors to warn against ingesting bleach

After a presentation that touched on the disinfectants that can kill the coronavirus on surfaces and in the air, President Trump pondered whether those chemicals could be used inside the human body. Doctors answered: “People will die.” 

• By Allyson Chiu and Katie Shepherd
• 56 minutes ago

This one hits close to home.  The number of backroom bleach ingestors is skyrocketing nationally. Housewives. Steel workers. Gamers. Oddly, pet sitters are becoming addicted at a rate 4x the general population.   It’s the opioid crisis of the residential garment sanitization industry. I fear one day every family in America will be touched by this, and I’m happy they got to you before you chased  the yellow dragon.  
 

In fact, I think it’s irresponsible that doctors weren’t warning about the danger of drinking bleach prior to the Wuhan Virus.  It borders on medical malpractice. I also think it’s pretty impressive that it only took two journalists to break this story. 

[Troll Toll]

1 minute ago, TH3 said:

trump is easier to read than a cheap comic book....just keeps getting stupider. Born on third base with dad’s money...never did anything the hard way...from the bottom up. Now he keeps looking for and touting shorts cuts he can pitch to the public to make it appear that he is gonna pull this deal out of the fire. You bet on the wrong guy trumptards.

So we should have bet on the same Clintons that put our whole supply chain in China? The same ones giving away North America’s Uranium to Russia in order to enrich themselves? I’ll take a dumb comment from an honest man over betrayal of our country from sociopaths any day of the week.

[shoshin]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This one hits close to home.  The number of backroom bleach ingestors is skyrocketing nationally. Housewives. Steel workers. Gamers. Oddly, pet sitters are becoming addicted at a rate 4x the general population.   It’s the opioid crisis of the residential garment sanitization industry. I fear one day every family in America will be touched by this, and I’m happy they got to you before you chased  the yellow dragon.  
 

In fact, I think it’s irresponsible that doctors weren’t warning about the danger of drinking bleach prior to the Wuhan Virus.  It borders on medical malpractice. I also think it’s pretty impressive that it only took two journalists to break this story. 

It is less about that than the stupidity of Trump thinking he found a short cut like the HCQ miracle. The way out of this for healthcare and the economy is going to be long and hard. Not the Trump way. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by shoshin

[billsfan1959]

45 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Trump’s comments prompt doctors to warn against ingesting bleach

 

Aren't there already warnings on bleach? 

 

Since we know that democratic voters were the ones that thought ingesting fish cleaner was a good idea, maybe it would be more useful if doctors worked directly with the democratic party putting together PSAs for their constituents on things that, against their better judgement, they shouldn't ingest: i.e; fish cleaner, bleach, gasoline, roundup, rat poison, feces...

 

Or if they really do think it is a good idea to drink bleach, maybe we should just let them...

[SectionC3]

15 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This one hits close to home.  The number of backroom bleach ingestors is skyrocketing nationally. Housewives. Steel workers. Gamers. Oddly, pet sitters are becoming addicted at a rate 4x the general population.   It’s the opioid crisis of the residential garment sanitization industry. I fear one day every family in America will be touched by this, and I’m happy they got to you before you chased  the yellow dragon.  
 

In fact, I think it’s irresponsible that doctors weren’t warning about the danger of drinking bleach prior to the Wuhan Virus.  It borders on medical malpractice. I also think it’s pretty impressive that it only took two journalists to break this story. 

 

We have a serious bleach addition problem in my family, too.  Developed last night.  Empty bleach bottles strewn about this morning.  I found my cousin curled up in a corner wrapped in a Keep America Great flag with two empty bleach bottles next to him.  This, everyone, is the status quo that should be preserved. 

[RiotAct]

anyone with half a brain can read his comments (in context) and see that he’s not actually telling people to ingest disinfectants.  However, that was some piss-poor wording by him.

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Aren't there already warnings on bleach? 

 

Since we know that democratic voters were the ones that thought ingesting fish cleaner was a good idea, maybe it would be more useful if doctors worked directly with the democratic party putting together PSAs for their constituents on things that, against their better judgement, they shouldn't ingest: i.e; fish cleaner, bleach, gasoline, roundup, rat poison, feces...

 

Or if they really do think it is a good idea to drink bleach, maybe we should just let them...

 

It's not the point about ingesting bleach.  It's the point that the president is so dumb as to not recognize that it has at least some of the characteristics of a bad plan.  That is sad. 

2 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

anyone with half a brain can read his comments (in context) and see that he’s not actually telling people to ingest disinfectants.  However, that was some piss-poor wording by him.

 

You're right.  He suggested that medical experts should investigate the efficacy of direct application of surface disinfectants to internal organs.  Viewed in that light, the comments are much more reasonable.  /end sarcasm. 

Edited April 24, 2020 by SectionC3

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

It's not the point about ingesting bleach.  It's the point that the president is so dumb as to not recognize that it has at least some of the characteristics of a bad plan.  That is sad. 

 

Well, if you are not worried about people actually ingesting bleach, then why all the hand wriniging?

 

The way I see it, he was just Trump being Trump: Asking a question in his typical "stream of consciousness," inarticulate way that came off sounding stupid - but that any reasonably intelligent human being knew he wasn't suggesting to literally inject bleach.

 

It wasn't a bad plan, because it wasn't a plan at all. It was just a question that sounded dumb. And if dumb questions or statements really bother you that much, you might not want to have the sound on while you are watching Joe Biden.

 

But hey, if this is where you want to focus your outrage, be my guest.

 

16 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

We have a serious bleach addition problem in my family, too.  Developed last night.  Empty bleach bottles strewn about this morning. 

 

Why doesn't this surprise any of us?

Edited April 24, 2020 by billsfan1959

[SoCal Deek]

16 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

anyone with half a brain can read his comments (in context) and see that he’s not actually telling people to ingest disinfectants.  However, that was some piss-poor wording by him.

We’ve got politicians who run around telling people that there’s a real chance a policeman will shoot you for no good reason and that half the people you bump into on the street are flat out racists....and we’re on the President for what now?  Come on people! Give the guy a break, for one single day! Geeeez

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

19 minutes ago, shoshin said:

It is less about that than the stupidity of Trump thinking he found a short cut like the HCQ miracle. The way out of this for healthcare and the economy is going to be long and hard. Not the Trump way. 

I'm not arguing with you Shosh, and @Tiberius performed an important public service here.  CIS (Chlorox Ingestion Syndrome) is a problem in all 57 states.  According to Dr. Haywood Jabloemey, head of the Bleach Survivors Recovery Clinic at the Mayo Clinic "The very fabric of our society is at risk here.  Sodium Hydrochlorite, also known as bleach and on the street as 'pale, clean, white stank and bizleech'  is not just a problem for whites.  Some studies have indicated that the impact on people of color is even more devastating.  It changes who you are, the way you look, and often users describe the sensation of feeling washed out after prolonged usage."

 

I have a friend on the inside at One Bill's Drive, actually a friend of a friend.  Turns out the Bill's did consider selecting Pat Mahommes in that infamous draft, but there was concern amongst many GMs that PM was a "bleacher".  We all know Coach McD is a stickler on high character players and is said to have remarked "There ain't no way, no how I'm bringing a hopped up bleach freak into this organization!". 

 

Maybe it's not true, or just maybe Pat Mahommes is one of the lucky ones. 

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’ve got politicians who run around telling people that there’s a real chance a policeman will shoot you for no good reason and that half the people you bump into on the street are flat out racists....and we’re on the President for what now?  Come on people! Give the guy a break, for one single day! Geeeez

 

We are going on 2+ months where I'm guessing Trump gets a little information about this pandemic. He still doesn't get the difference between the virus and the disease. Disinfectants on surfaces kill the virus. Disinfectants in the body kill the...wait for it...body. It does not show that he's got a great understanding of the facts OR science and we should be at a point where he either should, or he should shut up and defer. It's more than a bad moment. It's a moment that shows our president has zero understanding of the very basic science around this, but it does show a certain laziness where he thinks he can complete the Hail Mary that scientists somehow can't. Today's bleach injection is yesterday's Hydrocholoquine "miracle." It's a magical thinking that ignores there are no easy ways out of this but only day-by-day upwards step where we follow a stringent plan (that smarter people than him set out the guidelines for). 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’ve got politicians who run around telling people that there’s a real chance a policeman will shoot you for no good reason and that half the people you bump into on the street are flat out racists....and we’re on the President for what now?  Come on people! Give the guy a break, for one single day! Geeeez

 

Democrats might want to take a break for their own sanity. Maybe they should just follow Joe Biden's sage advice: “It’s not that they don’t want to help. They don’t know what quite to do: Play the radio… make sure you have the record player on...” and just chill the **** out....

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, shoshin said:

 

We are going on 2+ months where I'm guessing Trump gets a little information about this pandemic. He still doesn't get the difference between the virus and the disease. Disinfectants on surfaces kill the virus. Disinfectants in the body kill the...wait for it...body. It does not show that he's got a great understanding of the facts OR science and we should be at a point where he either should, or he should shut up and defer. It's more than a bad moment. It's a moment that shows our president has zero understanding of the very basic science around this, but it does show a certain laziness where he thinks he can complete the Hail Mary that scientists somehow can't. Today's bleach injection is yesterday's Hydrocholoquine "miracle." It's a magical thinking that ignores there are no easy ways out of this but only day-by-day upwards step where we follow a stringent plan (that smarter people than him set out the guidelines for). 

 

 

Give me a break with your leftist ‘science’ nonsense! The scientists don’t have a terrific track record in this entire debacle. Go ahead....stay locked up in your house. The rest of us are going outside! Which is probably where we should have been all along, by the way.