realtruelove Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, bbb said: From the CDC website: From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Can somebody tell me why I don't remember widespread panic, the markets crashing, events being cancelled left and right - and Obama being blamed? The market had already crashed the year before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: Rhetorical............right ? i'll leave it to Bob to answer. How about these lyrics from that album?? I'm tired of this river, these nothin' nightsI'm small towned out, I need city lightsSo long Allegany, so long OleanI need to face the promise of the Promised LandI'll need a world of changes, I need abrand new space 3 minutes ago, realtruelove said: The market had already crashed the year before. So, it couldn't go down again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 The economy was quite depressed back then and there was no reason to politicize it either. We were riding the wave of our first black president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, bbb said: Thanks.................How the eff can the most famous line from the movie not actually be in the movie?!? You'll never find "Beam me up, Scotty" in the original Star Trek either. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, realtruelove said: The market had already crashed the year before. Yep. We were already in recession, and there was a Dem in the White House. So to the media, everything was being handled perfectly and no need to panic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Krugman Hypes Coronavirus Threat In Ridiculous Thread About Trump, Climate Change and Evolution It’s a really sick thing that some Democrats seem to want to hype the coronavirus because of their hatred for President Donald Trump. Its diagnosed incidence in the United States is so far, low. The response has been good and proactive, cutting entry from areas that were affected in China. It’s important to note the reality, that the incidence of mortality is also very low. But it’s obviously a continuing challenge and there’s likely to be more diagnosed cases as more are tested. But that hasn’t stopped Paul Krugman from spewing nonsense, all through the lens of his Trump hate. Remember when he seemed to be celebrating the virus’ effect on the stock market, but then went silent after the market came back up in a record one day gain? He’s at it again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, realtruelove said: The market had already crashed the year before. But, but weren't we in the first Summer of Recovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 "soar" Cuomo declares state of emergency in New York as state coronavirus cases soar to 76 Gov. Cuomo declared a state of emergency Saturday to deal with the worsening coronavirus crisis, as the number of cases jumped to 11 in the Big Apple — including a Queens taxi driver — and 76 across New York. Saturday’s numbers more than doubled the cases in the city, which stood at five on Friday, the governor said at a noon press conference. There were 21 new cases outside the city, from 44 the day before, he said. “We are testing aggressively, said Cuomo. “The more positives you find, the better.” ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, Koko78 said: You'll never find "Beam me up, Scotty" in the original Star Trek either. Seriously - how the frig does that happen?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, bbb said: Seriously - how the frig does that happen?!? My guess would be from a comedians joke in which he/she paraphrased something in their routine. Then it stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 map from the NYP article above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Foxx said: can you say that again in layman's terms? Sure. The SARS/AIDs hybrid statement was declared after examining one deceased 85 year old patient. Regarding "permanent" lung fibrosis, I have seen pigs reabsorb a tremendous amount of fibrosis around their heart and pacemakers I've implanted. "Permanent" may mean 1-2 months. This virus is unique in that it's infectious before the host shows significant symptoms. That's virtually impossible to stop IMO. Our isolation bought us some time, but be prepared. On the good side S. Korea has an excellent health system and large scale rigorous testing indicates a fatality rate of 0.6% which is a good bit better than the 3% estimates. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, B-Man said: Ok, sooooo not sure how they define "prepared." We went to the Rock of Gibraltar today, which is UK. The customs guy wandered down the aisle of the tour bus to look at passports while not asking a single question about where anyone had been lately, and that was "different" (especially in light of Morocco having a gazillion questions... I felt bad for the Asian couple on our ferry as they were pulled aside individually, and questioned at length). I will say there was a sign at Gibraltar passport control (about the size of a parking sign) that listed "Have you been in these countries," but no one ever asked us anything (neither guy at customs in or out said a word.. like not a word of any sort). ?♂️ Oh, on the upside, since Brexit happened Gibraltar is HOPPING. Apparently, with Brexit, goods that had been taxed to death are now duty free for those in the EU (to 300€ per person, restrictions apply). The cross-traffic looked like the Peace Bridge on the 4th of July. Edited March 7, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 18 hours ago, TPS said: Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Sure. The SARS/AIDs hybrid statement was declared after examining one deceased 85 year old patient. Regarding "permanent" lung fibrosis, I have seen pigs reabsorb a tremendous amount of fibrosis around their heart and pacemakers I've implanted. "Permanent" may mean 1-2 months. This virus is unique in that it's infectious before the host shows significant symptoms. That's virtually impossible to stop IMO. Our isolation bought us some time, but be prepared. On the good side S. Korea has an excellent health system and large scale rigorous testing indicates a fatality rate of 0.6% which is a good bit better than the 3% estimates. thanks. no other comment at this time other than to say, i have seen many... suppositions out and about regarding how and what this virus is all about (that it attacks nerve endings and the brain stem) but it is hard to put much credence into any of them right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 2 hours ago, bbb said: From the CDC website: From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Can somebody tell me why I don't remember widespread panic, the markets crashing, events being cancelled left and right - and Obama being blamed? Because it was influenza. To the average american "the flu" is no big deal and therefore it's very difficult to manufacture excessive media hysteria surrounding it. A new virus that 99% of people have never heard of is a tinderbox of panic and hysteria that the media can stoke 24/7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 COVID-19, Number Blindness and the Monolithic Legacy Media. Dan Crenshaw Calls Out Democrats For Their Blatant Lies About the Coronavirus. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, bbb said: From the CDC website: From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Can somebody tell me why I don't remember widespread panic, the markets crashing, events being cancelled left and right - and Obama being blamed? Because DJT was not POTUS 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, GaryPinC said: Sure. The SARS/AIDs hybrid statement was declared after examining one deceased 85 year old patient. Regarding "permanent" lung fibrosis, I have seen pigs reabsorb a tremendous amount of fibrosis around their heart and pacemakers I've implanted. "Permanent" may mean 1-2 months. This virus is unique in that it's infectious before the host shows significant symptoms. That's virtually impossible to stop IMO. Our isolation bought us some time, but be prepared. On the good side S. Korea has an excellent health system and large scale rigorous testing indicates a fatality rate of 0.6% which is a good bit better than the 3% estimates. This! All this post is what iv'e been seeing as well. 3 hours ago, Foxx said: thanks. no other comment at this time other than to say, i have seen many... suppositions out and about regarding how and what this virus is all about (that it attacks nerve endings and the brain stem) but it is hard to put much credence into any of them right now. This one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 hours ago, GaryPinC said: Sure. The SARS/AIDs hybrid statement was declared after examining one deceased 85 year old patient. Regarding "permanent" lung fibrosis, I have seen pigs reabsorb a tremendous amount of fibrosis around their heart and pacemakers I've implanted. "Permanent" may mean 1-2 months. This virus is unique in that it's infectious before the host shows significant symptoms. That's virtually impossible to stop IMO. Our isolation bought us some time, but be prepared. On the good side S. Korea has an excellent health system and large scale rigorous testing indicates a fatality rate of 0.6% which is a good bit better than the 3% estimates. Do you have a source for this. Because that’s excellent news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, Bakin said: Do you have a source for this. Because that’s excellent news. Google is your friend: https://www.businessinsider.com/south-korea-coronavirus-testing-death-rate-2020-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) In 2017, the Flu took an estimated 80,000 lives in the US. In Canada it killed 300. I believe that’s a 22X rate higher in the US (per 100,000 people). is that a reporting issue? is it because the US is more densely populated? granted 2017 was a very bad year but... even this year if we have 25,000 deaths in US compared to 300 expected in Canada, it’s still way out of whack. Anyone have the answer? (smartass in me says it’s poutine) Edited March 8, 2020 by Bakin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bakin said: In 2017, the Flu took an estimated 80,000 lives in the US. In Canada it killed 300. I believe that’s a 22X rate higher in the US (per 100,000 people). is that a reporting issue? is it because the US is more densely populated? granted 2017 was a very bad year but... even this year if we have 25,000 deaths in US compared to 300 expected in Canada, it’s still way out of whack. Anyone have the answer? (smartass in me says it’s poutine) Poutine, or this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Poutine, or this: Nice milk bag!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bakin said: Nice milk bag!!!! My bagged milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 9 hours ago, B-Man said: Well, now that Krugman’s weighed in we know this is being overblown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Bakin said: In 2017, the Flu took an estimated 80,000 lives in the US. In Canada it killed 300. I believe that’s a 22X rate higher in the US (per 100,000 people). is that a reporting issue? is it because the US is more densely populated? granted 2017 was a very bad year but... even this year if we have 25,000 deaths in US compared to 300 expected in Canada, it’s still way out of whack. Anyone have the answer? (smartass in me says it’s poutine) What about the older people, those with poor immune or disabilities and other stuff. (highest death rate with this virus). They have no say in this? Jesus Christ people don't care about them. Only about politics. It's soo damn sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Beyond the Paywall: Italy Plans Large-Scale Lockdown in Country’s North to Fight Coronavirus (Note: the above link will not reflect any edits to the original story) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Edited March 8, 2020 by Hedge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, bbb said: From the CDC website: From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Can somebody tell me why I don't remember widespread panic, the markets crashing, events being cancelled left and right - and Obama being blamed? It's due to the way the rest of the world is reacting to this virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardhatharry Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, bbb said: From the CDC website: From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus. Can somebody tell me why I don't remember widespread panic, the markets crashing, events being cancelled left and right - and Obama being blamed? The Markets had just crashed the year before and never got back to the level at the time of the H1N1... Hard to crash when the market was already bottomed out. Twitter was not as main stream as it is now, Twitter did not explode until around 2012. People did blame Obama just like when anything happens the president always gets blamed no matter who is in office. They learned from t he mistakes they made from the last pandemic and now you see the steps they are trying to take to not make it another one. You're welcome. Edited March 8, 2020 by Hardhatharry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, bbb said: Google is your friend: No, they're not. But that's another argument for another thread 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 19 hours ago, Foxx said: "soar" Cuomo declares state of emergency in New York as state coronavirus cases soar to 76 Gov. Cuomo declared a state of emergency Saturday to deal with the worsening coronavirus crisis, as the number of cases jumped to 11 in the Big Apple — including a Queens taxi driver — and 76 across New York. Saturday’s numbers more than doubled the cases in the city, which stood at five on Friday, the governor said at a noon press conference. There were 21 new cases outside the city, from 44 the day before, he said. “We are testing aggressively, said Cuomo. “The more positives you find, the better.” ... my libido soars every time he gives a press conference (so, every ten hours) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 CORONAVIRUS UPDATE: Houston Memorial Hermann asks 11 workers who came in contact with coronavirus patient to self-quarantine. More than half of all U.S. states have reported COVID-19 cases. Coronavirus Spreading in California from Grand Princess Cruise Ship. Coronavirus live updates: New York declares emergency; Italy to lock down Milan area. As Virus Outbreaks Multiply, UN Declines To Declare Pandemic. What Worked in 1918-1919? Individual response to COVID-19 ‘as important’ as government action. University of Tennessee scientists may have found coronavirus cure. Infectious Disease Doctor: What Does (And Doesn’t) Scare Me About The Coronavirus. Dr. Drew On Coronavirus: ‘Businesses Destroyed, Lives Upended — Not By Virus, But By Panic.’ LESLIE EASTMAN: Maybe it’s time to dial back the coronavirus drama. NEWS I HOPE YOU CAN’T USE: How To Quarantine Yourself. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Bakin said: In 2017, the Flu took an estimated 80,000 lives in the US. In Canada it killed 300. I believe that’s a 22X rate higher in the US (per 100,000 people). is that a reporting issue? is it because the US is more densely populated? granted 2017 was a very bad year but... even this year if we have 25,000 deaths in US compared to 300 expected in Canada, it’s still way out of whack. Anyone have the answer? (smartass in me says it’s poutine) The data I see shows canada had a death rate of 20.2 per 100k in 2017. Similar to US death rate. https://www.statista.com/statistics/434445/death-rate-for-influenza-and-pneumonia-in-canada/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 INFECTION: At least 28 coronavirus cases in New York are linked to one man — a 50-year-old attorney who works near Grand Central Terminal. Here’s what we know. DO TELL: Travel restrictions may have slowed COVID-19 outbreak. RESPONDING TO EPIDEMICS REQUIRES FLEXIBILITY. REGULATION TAKES AWAY FLEXIBILITY. A Self-Inflicted Crisis: Overregulation has played a dangerous role in America’s coronavirus outbreak. It’s troubling that community spread in Washington State and other parts of the U.S.—possibly affecting hundreds to thousands of individuals—wasn’t detected sooner. Overregulation of diagnostic testing has played a major role in this delay. For weeks, the CDC operated the nation’s sole diagnostic laboratory for coronavirus, while testing in the rest of the world proceeded apace. Test protocols using the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) were publicly available shortly after Chinese researchers published (or described) the sequence of the virus in mid-January. The World Health Organization (WHO) used a freely available German procedure to create a test kit, shipping 250,000 tests to 159 laboratories worldwide. Since early February, the WHO has facilitated specimen transfer to referral laboratories. In China, labs have tested thousands of patients each day. By February 23, the Chinese government had approved ten test kits, and production capacity reached 1.65 million tests per week. Meantime, South Korea has more than 500 testing sites and has screened over 100,000 people, reportedly testing 10,000 individuals per day and pioneering “drive-through” testing facilities. This enhanced testing capability is a key reason why the country has reported over 5,100 cases—the second-largest, outside China—including larger numbers of patients with mild illness, as reflected in a case fatality rate less than 1 percent. As of March 3, the U.K. had tested nearly 14,000 cases. By contrast, the U.S. had performed a paltry 472 tests by March 2. Further, CDC testing criteria have precluded recognizing community spread because of requirements stipulating recent travel to China or exposure to an infected person. Adherence to these guidelines delayed testing in the first probable case of community transmission, in Northern California, by four days. The CDC has not covered itself with glory here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) BDI seems to be recovering. a 5 year for reference. and a 10 year reference. Edited March 8, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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/dev/null Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Foxx said: So NYC, Seattle, and Northern California have the most cases. Kind of odd that cities that have the most direct contact with Chinese nationals have the most cases ? Next thing you know, we'll start seeing cases in places like New Orleans and Norfolk (where shipping comes into the United States), and Hawaii and San Diego where the Pacific Fleet operates 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 18 hours ago, Wacka said: Because DJT was not POTUS .....NO political blame capital then versus now....how shocking....... The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths. This is the highest number of patient claims since the 2009 flu season. Seasonal flu worldwide kills up to 646,000 people worldwide each year, according to a new estimate that's higher than the previous one of 250,000 to 500,000 deaths a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, /dev/null said: So NYC, Seattle, and Northern California have the most cases. Kind of odd that cities that have the most direct contact with Chinese nationals have the most cases ? Next thing you know, we'll start seeing cases in places like New Orleans and Norfolk (where shipping comes into the United States), and Hawaii and San Diego where the Pacific Fleet operates one reason why i posted the BDI. shows that shipping out of China is ramping up. disclaimer, i don't know if the virus is actually subsiding in China. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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