KingBoots8 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) With the season at an end, now we need to look towards next season and upgrading certain positions. Of our starters, who are the most secure with their positions on offense? Here are my “safe bets” : QB Josh Allen RB Devin Singletary TE Knox LT Dawkins C Morse G Feliciano WR Brown WR Beasley I think anyone else could be shifted around (ex. RT Ford moving to Guard) or lose their spot altogether. Any others you think should be 100% “the guy” next year? *Edited to add Brown and Beasley Edited January 6, 2020 by KingBoots8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, KingBoots8 said: With the season at an end, now we need to look towards next season and upgrading certain positions. Of our starters, who are the most secure with their positions on offense? Here are my “safe bets” : QB Josh Allen RB Devin Singletary TE Knox LT Dawkins C Morse G Feliciano I think anyone else could be shifted around (ex. RT Ford moving to Guard) or lose their spot altogether. Any others you think should be 100% “the guy” next year? I think the Bill will work to resign Spain. I do believe John Brown is a safe bet for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogham26 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 John brown and cole Beasley in the slot are locks as well. cody ford at guard or tackle is a lock imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, ogham26 said: John brown and cole Beasley in the slot are locks as well. cody ford at guard or tackle is a lock imo. I forgot to add them- break ended at work and I hit submit before I looked that over lol. Gonna update my list ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: I think the Bill will work to resign Spain. I do believe John Brown is a safe bet for sure. Depends. If the Bills make the decision to keep Ford on the outside then yes. If not, then I think they let Spain go and Ford moves inside. Personally, the latter would be my choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I really hope we trade Dawkins and get a better replacement. He’s going to get paid after next season and I don’t think he’s worth it. Rather than let him go, trade him and get what would be his comp pick a couple years early so we can get his replacement. I’m worried that we won’t be able to pay all these young kids down the road. Looking ahead, trade the guys you’re not going to keep, a la the pats with seymour, Chandler Jones and Jaimie Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Upgrade at least 1 OL spot Not sure I call Knox a lock yet. If we can get Hooper it is a big upgrade. Need a #1 WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am of the mind they let Spain walk. He and Ford were the worst players on the line this year, and Ford was a 2nd round pick so he gets time. I imagine they move Ford to one of the guard spots and let Spain walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Agreed with your locks, but i'm not sure where Brown and Beasley wind up in the new WR room. I could easily see us going after two big/fast WR's to play on the outside, Brown becoming the playmaker speed guy and Beasley to the slot only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I am of the mind they let Spain walk. He and Ford were the worst players on the line this year, and Ford was a 2nd round pick so he gets time. I imagine they move Ford to one of the guard spots and let Spain walk. Why do people keeps saying this didn't Spain not give up a sack all year? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Why do people keeps saying this didn't Spain not give up a sack all year? No clue. If the Bills really want to have an upper echelon OL, they can re-sign Spain, kick Ford inside to RG, move Feliciano to utility man and go after someone like Conklin in FA. I won't hate it if they feel Ford can improve at RT though.. He did show some promise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I am of the mind they let Spain walk. He and Ford were the worst players on the line this year, and Ford was a 2nd round pick so he gets time. I imagine they move Ford to one of the guard spots and let Spain walk. Spain gave up zero sacks in pass protection all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 I didn’t lock Spain since he is a FA but I would not be mad with bringing him back personally. Our OL had some many revolving parts but my short term memory can’t draw up an instance where I thought Spain blew his assignment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Just now, SCBills said: No clue. If the Bills really want to have an upper echelon OL, they can re-sign Spain, kick Ford inside to RG, move Feliciano to utility man and go after someone like Conklin in FA. I won't hate it if they feel Ford can improve at RT though.. He did show some promise there. Ford will definitely get a shot at it but I'm sure they bring someone in to make it a serious competition for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The "O" line didn't jell until the second half. All new except Dawkins. They all have a shot to stay. Ford was a weak link for sure but did improve with more playing time. They should have given him help with Watt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, NewEra said: I really hope we trade Dawkins and get a better replacement. He’s going to get paid after next season and I don’t think he’s worth it. Rather than let him go, trade him and get what would be his comp pick a couple years early so we can get his replacement. I’m worried that we won’t be able to pay all these young kids down the road. Looking ahead, trade the guys you’re not going to keep, a la the pats with seymour, Chandler Jones and Jaimie Collins thats way down the road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I keep hearing Spain has given up zero sacks this year. Where is this info from? Is there a free source for these kinds of stats? I'd like to obtain some context here. How many sacks our other olinemen gave up? What is league average for all OL positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: I didn’t lock Spain since he is a FA but I would not be mad with bringing him back personally. Our OL had some many revolving parts but my short term memory can’t draw up an instance where I thought Spain blew his assignment Spain has supposedly said he wants to be here and work out something before UFA begins. To me that says he really wants to be here or is just worried he won't be brought back if we elect to not re-sign him early. Personally I want him here and I get why people want to shift Ford but man Spain was solid this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said: thats way down the road He gets paid after next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, NewEra said: He gets paid after next season no paying all the young kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said: no paying all the young kids Dawkins is one of them and his contract will coexist when the next group needs to be signed after another season By the end of 2021 we’ll have to pay Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Milano, Wallace, T johnson, every OL except Morse and Ford. Every DL except Oliver. It’s 2 years down the road but paying the right guys is important to keeping this rolling. Edited January 6, 2020 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Why do people keeps saying this didn't Spain not give up a sack all year? Not entirely true, he gave up a game breaking sack in the playoff game. Additionally his run blocking is inconsistent to say the least. I just dont see them giving a 29 year old guy who is an inconsistent blocker a contract extension. The O-Line was better this year, but they still weren't good enough. I see not signing him as a chance to upgrade the line, and it does need upgrading. I very well could be wrong. Remember this, if they resign him, Cody Ford is your Right Tackle next year. 24 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I keep hearing Spain has given up zero sacks this year. Where is this info from? Is there a free source for these kinds of stats? I'd like to obtain some context here. How many sacks our other olinemen gave up? What is league average for all OL positions? Its a PFF stat. Edited January 6, 2020 by thenorthremembers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, ngbills said: Upgrade at least 1 OL spot Not sure I call Knox a lock yet. If we can get Hooper it is a big upgrade. Need a #1 WR Hooper (or Hunter) and Knox combo would be great. Having 2 good TE's is very beneficial for a young QB. (see Balt and Philly). Edited January 6, 2020 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, KingBoots8 said: With the season at an end, now we need to look towards next season and upgrading certain positions. Of our starters, who are the most secure with their positions on offense? Here are my “safe bets” : QB Josh Allen RB Devin Singletary TE Knox LT Dawkins C Morse G Feliciano WR Brown WR Beasley I think anyone else could be shifted around (ex. RT Ford moving to Guard) or lose their spot altogether. Any others you think should be 100% “the guy” next year? *Edited to add Brown and Beasley My add is Spain,and very likely Sweeney is brought back, but will grab another pass catching one this Spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Why do people keeps saying this didn't Spain not give up a sack all year? Never attempt to use facts to sway a firmly held opinion. Edited January 6, 2020 by Spiderweb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Hooper (or Hunter) and Knox combo would be great. Having 2 good TE's is very beneficial for a young QB. (see Balt and Philly). Exactly. Allen needs to use his TE as a safety outlet more and also hit him over the middle when the safety help is covering Amari Cooper next year... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Spiderweb said: I think the Bill will work to resign Spain. I do believe John Brown is a safe bet for sure. Supposedly Spain signed a 1 year prove it deal which he did. Unless the Bill's feel they want to keep Ford at tackle, why sign Spain? The most cost effective move and not losing anything on the field is to move Ford to guard, start Nsekhe at RT, but also draft in about the 3rd round a RT. Let him sit in 2020, but then start him in 2021 once Nsekhe's deal expires. That leaves you set at 10 of the 11 positions. Only one left is another WR or if they go big, they already have enough TE's on the roster to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Supposedly Spain signed a 1 year prove it deal which he did. Unless the Bill's feel they want to keep Ford at tackle, why sign Spain? The most cost effective move and not losing anything on the field is to move Ford to guard, start Nsekhe at RT, but also draft in about the 3rd round a RT. Let him sit in 2020, but then start him in 2021 once Nsekhe's deal expires. That leaves you set at 10 of the 11 positions. Only one left is another WR or if they go big, they already have enough TE's on the roster to choose from. Better have a solid back up as Nsekhe looks injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Tre and Hyde are really the only guys they definitely should pay. Maybe Dawkins and Milano are on that list, but both are too inconsistent for me to shell out big bucks for at this point..... the hope is Allen continues to grow and become a top 10 guy so they don’t need to pay these players to succeed. We’ll need allen AND the players we pay to succeed in order to win A SB. Succeeding isn’t just going to playoffs year in year out. No Lombardi trophy = a failure for this franchise imo. Need one. At least to this Bills fan. One in my lifetime. That won’t change til we get one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, ngbills said: Upgrade at least 1 OL spot Not sure I call Knox a lock yet. If we can get Hooper it is a big upgrade. Need a #1 WR Knox is s till an unreliable receiver. Croom could come back and take the job away imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Need a FA WR and TE. Knox needs more development and his hands have been unreliable. It will be year 3 for Josh. Can’t be wondering if he’s good enough and just did t have the weapons around hm. Beane needs to deliver this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Mafia Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: I am of the mind they let Spain walk. He and Ford were the worst players on the line this year, and Ford was a 2nd round pick so he gets time. I imagine they move Ford to one of the guard spots and let Spain walk. I disagree with your Spain assessment. Spain was one of the best pass blocking guards in the NFL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, ngbills said: Upgrade at least 1 OL spot Not sure I call Knox a lock yet. If we can get Hooper it is a big upgrade. Need a #1 WR 1. OL. Even with the improvements on the OL this past off season they still came up lame when it mattered. Ford is a Guard in the NFL and we to accept and embrace it. Dawkins is an adequate Tackle but nowhere near Pro Bowl caliber. RT is in his future as we need to acquire a true LT. 2. Knox is a lock. Rookie contract with potential upside and can also block well. 3. Cant argue this point. Trade for Green or sign Cooper and draft a stud. 4. Also, Gore has to go. I appreciate his mentoring Motor and his vet leadership but he's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: With the season at an end, now we need to look towards next season and upgrading certain positions. Of our starters, who are the most secure with their positions on offense? Here are my “safe bets” : QB Josh Allen RB Devin Singletary TE Knox LT Dawkins C Morse G Feliciano WR Brown WR Beasley I think anyone else could be shifted around (ex. RT Ford moving to Guard) or lose their spot altogether. Any others you think should be 100% “the guy” next year? *Edited to add Brown and Beasley Locks: Allen, Morse, Dawkins, Brown, Beasley Probable: Feliciano, Singletary. Possibly: Knox Knox had some issues with drops and mental errors at times, while also making insane plays other times. His whiffed block in OT on the Allen run may have even lost us the game as Allen likely gets us into FG range had Knox not blew that block. We still have Kroft too signed for next year, and I doubt they give up on him after he missed a lot of the season and never got a chance to gel within the offense. Knox will enter the offseason as a TE2 behind Kroft, it will be up to him to win that job outright, it wont be handed to him and he didn't do enough to deserve it to be handed to him either. Singletary I love, and I think he should be and likely will be the starter next year. But with his size, wouldn't surprise me to see them sign or draft a guy to split time with also. I think he is most likely a featured starter next year though with whoever else we bring in behind him on the depth chart. Feliciano is probably close to a lock too, but the OL I think will get shuffled a little bit, and the only 2 people I think are safe from that 100% are Morse and Dawkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 move Ford to guard, bench Dion Dawkins. find a franchise RT and LT , trade for one if you have to. sign a #1 WR and a backup RB. draft another TE, Knox is decent but he isn't a NFL starting TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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