Rumor: Brady won’t give Patriots hometown discount as he did in the past

[LSHMEAB]

Pretty sure he knows he's not wanted in NE and this is a pre-emptive break-up play.

 

"So I am breaking with YOU." 

 

I'd rather face the Pats next season with Brady than Andy Dalton. That's saying something.

[BillnutinHouston]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:56 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Don't forget the expected "punishment" for the Cincinnati video. 

 

Yes the slap on the wrist is really going to be a game changer.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[dave mcbride]

On 1/6/2020 at 8:01 AM, Gordio said:

 

 

You guys are funny.  You think Brady could play forever.  Did you watch the game Saturday Night.  He can't make throws anymore.  Sure he could do screen passes & the crossing patterns over the middle.  One play stuck out to me Saturday & it was actually a completion by him.  The pocket was shifting to the left he rolled out & threw a pass across his body over the middle.  It was a bout a 20 yard pass.   Nothing great, the guy was wide open but the ball literally took 6 or 7 seconds to get there.  It had nothing on it.  

 

This is how it is going to go down.  BB is going to have a long conversation with Kraft in the upcoming weeks & he is going to tell him he can not win with Brady anymore.  That Brady is done & it would be insane to give this guy 20-25 mil it is going to take to sign him  for another year.  Whether Kraft listens to him or not is another story, I think this time he listens to him though.  

 

There are a ton of good FA QBs out there this year.  Don't be surprised if they make a run on a guy like Bridgewater & then draft a QB.  They also have that Stidham, I liked him at Auburn. I am not sure how they feel about him.  

 

Brady should get out, it is going to end bad for him.  Some team will be making a horrible mistake if they sign him.  I keep hearing the Chargers but are they really a better team with Brady then Rivers.  If anything I think that is a wash at this point of their careers.  

Um ... that was the best I've seen Brady throw all season. He made a lot of difficult deep sideline throws and they were on the money. 

[Success]

You have to look at Brady's whole season.  He started out very well, but then only played well sporadically as the season wore on.  The 2nd Bills game was his best in the latter half of the season.  I have never seen Brady play like he did most of this season - over & underthrowing receivers, bailing on plays too early, missing wide open guys.  It was actually a joy to watch at times.

 

He's in decline, and it's not going to get better. Reports are coming out now that he had 2 nagging injuries he was dealing with most of the season. Those aren't things that will improve with age.  

 

Like most great athletes, he's hanging on too long.  He should have gone out after last years SB win, on top.  He won't hurt his legacy by sticking around, but he'll hurt whatever team he is with.  I hope the Pats do re-sign him, and I hope it's for a few years.  He 100% does not scare me anymore - he's just not that good now.  There is a reason we don't see many 43 year old players in the league.

 

[The Process]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:56 PM, Chicken Boo said:

 

Dalton.

Peterman

[Gordio]

58 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Um ... that was the best I've seen Brady throw all season. He made a lot of difficult deep sideline throws and they were on the money. 

 

 

Yeah he was so great he put up 13 points.  Usually you are spot on in your takes, but your way off on this one imo.  Brady was horrible Saturday.  It is very clear he can't make a tough throw anymore outside the hashes.  

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Yeah he was so great he put up 13 points.  Usually you are spot on in your takes, but your way off on this one imo.  Brady was horrible Saturday.  It is very clear he can't make a tough throw anymore outside the hashes.  

He threw a perfect pass down the sideline at the EZ line that Kenny Vaccaro broke up. It was a laser and perfectly placed, but the safety got over in time.  So many drops too. Just a pathetic receiving corps. It was nice to see Edelman basically lose the game for them with a terrible drop of an easy-to-catch throw on their final meaningful possession. Edelman drops a LOT of passes and doesn't get called out for it enough. In fact, he led the league in dropped passes this season: https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232.

Edited January 7, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Gordio]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

He threw a perfect pass down the sideline at the EZ line that Kenny Vaccaro broke up. It was a laser and perfectly placed, but the safety got over in time.  So many drops too. Just a pathetic receiving corps. It was nice to see Edelman basically lose the game for them with a terrible drop of an easy-to-catch throw on their final meaningful possession. Edelman drops a LOT of passes and doesn't get called out for it enough.

 

 

if it was such a lazer it would of got there before Vaccaro had a chance to break it up.  The Edelman drop was bad, but it wasn't a tough throw that any half way decent JV QB in high school could make.  Brady just doesn't have the arm strength anymore & it amazes how many people(including a ton of media personal) refuse to acknowledge this.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:54 PM, Happy Gilmore said:

 

No man, just no.  He's done.

Yes, man, yes.  With New England.  Let’s go living in the past.  The longer they cling to past glories, the better for the AFC East.

[Franco_92]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Um ... that was the best I've seen Brady throw all season. He made a lot of difficult deep sideline throws and they were on the money. 

Yeah, he had been declining since the Ravens game, but I was actually depressed by his performance Saturday, to me it was obvious he was everything but the problem. However, I think he leaves, at which point I will immediately not give a ***** about how much he still has in the tank.

 

And it's better to just not even say anything about Brady or the Pats on this forum. Most people just froth at the mouth and abandon all ropes tethering them to reality

Edited January 7, 2020 by arcane

[Bruce Harper]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:45 PM, syhuang said:

NFL Rumors: Tom Brady Won’t Take Hometown Discount To Stay With Patriots

 

“Well, here’s the thing: First of all, does he go back to the New England Patriots? He’s an unrestricted free agent and the Patriots cannot franchise him,” Glazer said. “I’m told if he does go back to the Patriots, he doesn’t want to do the same hometown discount he’s done in the past. So then you also look at other options out there. Certainly a team he’d help with their fan base, but there’s been talks about him going somewhere with Josh McDaniels. There’s only four openings, only one without a quarterback. That’s the Carolina Panthers. I just don’t see that happening. I think he fits better in, obviously, with the Patriots, but then it comes down to money.”

 

 

I think he's misplayed his hand. This isn't five years ago.  He is on the way down.  He was mediocre with the Pats this year and he likely will be worse adjusting to a new system.  I think he either  will retire or will take what the Patriots offer him.  Who else would sign him for what he's looking for? They're certainly not going to pay him 30 mil a year.   Anyone else remember Namath playing for the Rams at the end?  Would set your franchise back a year or two.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

My concern is Brady leaves and goes to the someone like the Chargers. And while the fans are celebrating that Brady is gone... 

 

Belichick does what he does and brings in FA Drew Brees on a 2 year contract and lands one or 2 FA wr's. Belichick will want to prove he can win without Tommy. 

 

This season:

Brady 16 games - 60.8% comp 4057 yards 24 TD 8 int QBR 52.5% 

Brees 11 games - 74.3% comp 2979 yards 27 TD 4 int QBR 74.2% 

[TheFunPolice]

Brees is just OK outside the dome

 

Brady going to the Chargers would be amazing. They play NE this season.

[Chaos]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:58 PM, Putin said:

The only logical place imo is the chargers 

If it is just money, there are lots of logical places. If it includes location and playoff viability I think you are correct. 

I think Las Vegas is an interesting opportunity.  Brady was not good this year. It seems plausible he was hurt, and that he could be better than Carr next year.  

Any think the Bears are an opportunity.  Don't know their cap room, maybe nothing after the Mack signing.  But the room for improvement over Trubisky is huge. 

[Bruce Harper]

I think this may work out like the end for Peyton.  He was still pretty good until he fell off a cliff.  Brady wasn't that bad but there simply is no precedent for a guy continuing to play at the highest level at 43, which is how old he will be when the season starts.  If I were the Chargers I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

[AKC]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Just a pathetic receiving corps.

 

Mo Sanu was catching over 83% of passes thrown his direction and gaining 7.45 yards per target with Ryan throwing him the ball the first 7 games of the season. With Tommie Boy his numbers fell to a 51.9% catch rate and only 4.19 yards per target. It's difficult for me to blame that plunge over the falls on the receiver.

[stevewin]

He will be an epic fail if he goes outside his 20 yr system of cheating, 7 yrd slants, and phantom PI calls.  My greatest joy will be seeing him go to another team next year and completely sucking - getting pummeled on a regular basis as he pouts and throws hissy fits (so "competitive"!) while announcers originally wail that poor Tommy just Doesn't Have Any Weapons ? - then slowly come to the realization he just isn't that good - as they remove his privates from their orifices and start to speak the truth that all along he was a product of the system - system of cheating.  GOAT my a$$

[dave mcbride]

10 minutes ago, AKC said:

 

Mo Sanu was catching over 83% of passes thrown his direction and gaining 7.45 yards per target with Ryan throwing him the ball the first 7 games of the season. With Tommie Boy his numbers fell to a 51.9% catch rate and only 4.19 yards per target. It's difficult for me to blame that plunge over the falls on the receiver.

I do think he's on the downswing; don't get me wrong. I just thought he threw ball pretty well in the TN game. He's not a bad qb, I don't think, and in the right situation he can produce. But of course he's not who he once was.

 

Incidentally, my hunch is that Belichick really wants to move on. His legacy is secure, and I have to think he's bored with the current situation and feels like he needs a new challenge. 

Edited January 7, 2020 by dave mcbride

[Bruce Harper]

By the way, this "home town discount" thing is a fiction and a huge pet peeve of mine.  He is being paid millions off the books (through his TB12 company) for years now.  The NFL knows this but does nothing about it because of the PR drubbing they took when they took on the golden boy on Deflategate.  I would be shocked if he is not getting what all the top guys are making, only this structure is allowing the Pats to cheat the salary cap.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

8 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

By the way, this "home town discount" thing is a fiction and a huge pet peeve of mine.  He is being paid millions off the books (through his TB12 company) for years now.  The NFL knows this but does nothing about it because of the PR drubbing they took when they took on the golden boy on Deflategate.  I would be shocked if he is not getting what all the top guys are making, only this structure is allowing the Pats to cheat the salary cap.

[AKC]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He's not a bad qb, I don't think, and in the right situation he can produce.

 

My guess is if he plays ball in the 2020 season it's in NE* or nowhere. There clearly continues to be a signal stealing program in place in NE* and Brady has been an insider on that from the beginning. He is the recipient, however they are relaying info during the game, of the data they're obtaining in contravention of league rules. I doubt that Bellichick wants to risk corrupting an additional QB so it leaves Brady just the one place to play with that obvious advantage and Bellichick to modify at least the data delivery system if Brady moves on.

 

It might be worth arguing one other option but I get the idea he doesn't want to follow McDaniels and it will of course take years for McDaniels to assemble to type of data theft program/library and delivery system the Pats* use. That timeline won't work for Brady.

 

The other thing I see is that Brady doesn't really want to play football anymore- he just wants to throw passes and avoid any type of contact. Jim Everett must be losing it over the haranguing he took for one collapse in the pocket while there must be a highlight reel of 2019 Brady swoons to avoid football contact. I may have seen 6 of their games this year and I'd bet there are at least 10 times he went Marcia in those. I'm surprised I haven't seen a compilation of those embarrassments to manhood and the many tough guys who played the position over the years.

 

 

[Jauronimo]

McDaniels has a deal in place with Belichick to inherit the HC spot in New England after Bill moves on.  Much like the deal Belichick had with Parcells.  I don't see McDaniels going anywhere.  Especially not after the way he did the Colts. 

 

Chargers talk is crazy.  QB is not LAC's problem and Brady is hardly an upgrade over Rivers right now. 

 

Chicago or maybe Denver makes sense to me.  

[K-9]

3 hours ago, The Process said:

Peterman

[AKC]

Apparently these are learned behaviors in Boston*! More Boston* Sports Cheating

[billsfan89]

37 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I do think he's on the downswing; don't get me wrong. I just thought he threw ball pretty well in the TN game. He's not a bad qb, I don't think, and in the right situation he can produce. But of course he's not who he once was.

 

Incidentally, my hunch is that Belichick really wants to move on. His legacy is secure, and I have to think he's bored with the current situation and feels like he needs a new challenge. 

 

The Pats and Brady are a team that was coming off of 3 straight Super Bowl runs (thus a lot of wear and tear on the team), Gronk retired, their offensive line was beaten down, their rookie 1st round pick WR got hurt, AB went crazy, Josh Gordon never got it together, even Eddlemen got banged up and their ground game fell apart (largely due to the O-line issues.)

 

So almost everything that could go wrong with Brady's surrounding talent did go wrong. I think the Pats if they can return the same strong defense and special teams units could easily return to contender status with Brady if they get their supporting cast healthy and add a couple of pieces. Brady isn't quite what he used to be but I still think he can manage an effective game if he has a solid O-line, ground game, and competent receivers. 

 

I think people are really underestimating just how bad the supporting cast around Brady was and how much worse that made him look. Brady to me can still be an effective QB in the league esp with a good cast around him. 

[TheFunPolice]

A few tidbits:

 

The contract issue

 

Brady will count 6.75 million against the 2020 and 2021 cap BEFORE he signs any new deal with NE. This is because of the way the team structured his current deal to free up 2019 cap space. 

 

So, if Brady signs for 2 years, 60 million (30 per year) he will count 30+6.75= 36.75 each season, eating up a TON of their cap space. They could always push that into the future with some creative accounting, I'm sure, but it will still put a crunch on their ability to re-sign their big name free agents, let alone bring new guys in.

 

As much as NE might want him back, they really cannot afford to sign a 5 year deal or something similar just to push the cap hit away, because that will totally cripple their cap if he only plays 1 more season due to age, injury, or effectiveness. As soon as he leaves ALL that dead cap money hits the books at once. That's the deterrent to doing that, or else every team would do it. 

 

Antonio Brown

 

I know AB is nuts, but he and Brady seem to have a bromance going. AB orchestrated his departure from the Steelers. NE tried to trade for him but was told no. So AB goes to Oakland. Then, AB hired people to help him be as crazy as possible (money well spent, and still paying dividends) in order to get cut from the Raiders. 5 minutes later he is on the Patriots, talking about how it was his dream to play with Brady. Once he's cut it's "play with Brady or no play" among a bunch of posts taking joy in the playoff downfall of NE (but not Brady, I suppose). AB must think (or know) that Brady will be elsewhere. 

 

Brady's house and the Witch Doctor's cabin

 

Both went up for sale right after Brady signed this new deal. 

 

"They" 

 

Brady repeatedly referred to the Patriots as "they" right after the game Saturday night. Freudian slip? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Happy]

3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Yes, man, yes.  With New England.  Let’s go living in the past.  The longer they cling to past glories, the better for the AFC East.

 

Brady is a game manager at this point.  We don't need that.  We're better off continuing on with Josh.

[TheFunPolice]

I wouldn't be surprised if Brady just wants to have some fun and put together a "dream team" somewhere of AB and whoever the Chargers have, for example, and just chuck the ball around and win that way again. 

 

IF he goes back to NE he WILL be a game manager type. BB built the team that way last season (and they won) because he saw the writing on the wall. That was with Gronk, a healthy Edelman, and a 2 year younger Brady. 

 

 

[Turk71]

Heard another rumor,

 Brady is no longer worth a top contract so a hometown discount won't be necessary.  Patriots would be crazy to pay him 30 million per at this stage so I hope they do. If they don't I hope he struggles somewhere else and spends the season smashing helmets.

[bdutton]

On 1/5/2020 at 7:50 PM, familykwi said:

Who's his obvious replacement?  I think other suitors are leverage.

Ryan Tannenhil. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 1/5/2020 at 6:51 PM, JaCrispy said:

Man, I would love to sign Brady to a 3 year deal...

 

Do you really think Tom Brady would risk ending his career in buffalo New York?

 

Never happen.

[Turk71]

Brady was 23rd in passer rating this year. I hope New England pays him 30 million. Getting rid of the ball before anyone hits him is what he does best now. The more his ability to drive the ball down the field diminishes the more defenses will be closing in on his short passes underneath. I want him to stick around and eat some humble pie while taking a few lumps before sailing off.

Edited January 7, 2020 by Turk71

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

Brady was 23rd in passer rating this year. I hope New England pays him 30 million. Getting rid of the ball before anyone hits him is what he does best now. The more his ability to drive the ball down the field diminishes the more defenses will be closing in on his short passes underneath. I want him to stick around and eat some humble pie while taking a few lumps before sailing off.

 

If they did sign a top WR he will need to hold the ball longer and will take more hits as a result

 

Nobody knows better than BB, who even with Gronk and a healthy Edelman went to a power running team in late 2018 after the team started to struggle

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

Brady was 23rd in passer rating this year. I hope New England pays him 30 million. Getting rid of the ball before anyone hits him is what he does best now. The more his ability to drive the ball down the field diminishes the more defenses will be closing in on his short passes underneath. I want him to stick around and eat some humble pie while taking a few lumps before sailing off.

 

Brady had one of the worst O-lines in the league due to injuries, a running game that suffered because of the O-line, a HOF tightend retired, and their WR core fell apart due to either injury (Eddleman and Harry) or personal reasons (AB and Gordon.) Everything that could have gone wrong for Brady this year did go wrong on offense. I wouldn't be shocked if he comes back and the Pats improve dramatically on offense. They still possess a quality running back core, their O-line if healthy is solid and if Harry can stay healthy and they can add a tight end and another receiver they should have a full complement of skill position players to work with. With their defense and a great special teams unit all they need is Brady to be an average QB and they can win.