wppete Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 More fuel ⛽️ for the fire ?. Josh Allen dead last on this list. Nothing but disrespect for the Bills all season and especially this week. Incredible! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093888/article/qb-index-wild-card-round-playoff-trustworthiness-rankings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 ***** 'em. ***** 'em all! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I mean, I look at the list and I cant really argue he should be higher. Plus at the end there was this bit.... Quote But given the improvement he's shown from Year 1 to Year 2 -- and over the course of his sophomore season -- trust me when I tell you that I won't be surprised if he makes us look stupid during the Wild Card Weekend opener in Houston. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Leicester City once won a PL title a few years back at 5000-1 odds. I don't care about these rankings because shocking the world will be amazing. Remember kids, I still hold my preseason prediction true of Frank Gore carrying us in the SB and winning the MVP. That and two incredibly important Josh throws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 do you blame them? He’s a complete unknown at this point when it comes to the postseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I have some quibbles about their other rankings, but I can't say Allen's spot is...inaccurate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 He belongs at the bottom until he proves otherwise. However, he's in the top 12. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, RiotAct said: do you blame them? He’s a complete unknown at this point when it comes to the postseason. So is Tannehill. So is Garoppolo and Wentz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, MJS said: So is Tannehill. So is Garoppolo and Wentz. Good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, wppete said: More fuel ⛽️ for the fire ?. Josh Allen dead last on this list. Nothing but disrespect for the Bills all season and especially this week. Incredible! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093888/article/qb-index-wild-card-round-playoff-trustworthiness-rankings I like Josh but if we are being honest he should be last...hasn’t proven anything and has the least impressive stats...not sure why this surprises anybody... Edited January 2, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthebuff Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Wentz, Tannehill, Garropolo, Cousins, and Allen - the bottom of this list - are all unproven in the playoffs and you could put any of them from 8-12 and there wouldn't be much quibbling. I will admit that Jackson should be the number 1 rated QB after the season he's had, but if you're talking the playoffs, he had what arguably could be the worst playoff game ever. Rating Tom Brady at number 7 going into the playoffs is just plain ridiculous. Yes as a Bills fan, I do not like him at all, however, if you were to rank him based on playoff performance and expectations, you'd have to rank him higher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 guess we'll have to tune in and see what actually happens on the field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 This is going to be pretty low on the list of things for me to get riled up about going into Saturday's game. Let's look at this from an opposing coaching staff point of view: Do opponents fear our offense? Can defensive coordinators easily scheme against our offense? Do we have an innovative top-flight play caller? Do we have an aggressive unpredictable head coach? Are we likely to have a game plan that attacks opponents weaknesses? Do we have a track record of scoring lots of points this season? Are we regularly getting big chunks of yards? Is our QB prone to turnovers and/or bad decisions? Do we have playoff experience? I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. This has been an awesome and enjoyable year so far. But we do have to be realistic about what our chances are this year based on the above factors GO BILLS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: This is going to be pretty low on the list of things for me to get riled up about going into Saturday's game. Let's look at this from an opposing coaching staff point of view: Do opponents fear our offense? Can defensive coordinators easily scheme against our offense? Do we have an innovative top-flight play caller? Do we have an aggressive unpredictable head coach? Are we likely to have a game plan that attacks opponents weaknesses? Do we have a track record of scoring lots of points this season? Are we regularly getting big chunks of yards? Is our QB prone to turnovers and/or bad decisions? Do we have playoff experience? I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy. This has been an awesome and enjoyable year so far. But we do have to be realistic about what our chances are this year based on the above factors GO BILLS! I don't think you have to try at all - it just comes naturally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Huge Allen supporter here, but I can’t really argue that he belongs higher than anyone other than maybe Cousins.... cousins plays better as a whole, but his big game play is worriesome. Josh hasn’t played in the playoffs so he’ll have a chance to show how he can do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I found this to be a completely reasonable and accurate write-up. I had zero problem with it. If I were making my own list based on "trustworthiness of each QB in the playoffs", it would likely have Allen in last place, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, MJS said: So is Tannehill. So is Garoppolo and Wentz. Yeah, so as they’re all playoff ?’s, you go by regular season. They all played better than Josh did. Just how it goes. For this playoff run who do you want? Of the 12 listed, I’d take Allen over Garrapalo, Cousins, and potentially Watson. That’s about it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I have some quibbles about their other rankings, but I can't say Allen's spot is...inaccurate ...I see what you did here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 The problem with this is that you have to walk the middle ground of looking at playoffs; and how they’ve played to get there... if it was strictly playoffs, Brady would have to be #1. But he isn’t playing that well. I think Josh has been a top 15 QB this year. This list reflects that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Yeah, so as they’re all playoff ?’s, you go by regular season. They all played better than Josh did. Just how it goes. For this playoff run who do you want? Of the 12 listed, I’d take Allen over Garrapalo, Cousins, and potentially Watson. That’s about it for me. Wentz wasn't that special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: So is Tannehill. So is Garoppolo and Wentz. Garrapalo didn't he play in one playoff game with SF? don't know why I thought otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, wppete said: More fuel ⛽️ for the fire ?. Josh Allen dead last on this list. Nothing but disrespect for the Bills all season and especially this week. Incredible! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093888/article/qb-index-wild-card-round-playoff-trustworthiness-rankings I am waiting for a late Christmas present to arrive and hoping it does so before Saturday's game: Buffalo vs Everybody BOO YAH! I love how the one guy writes himself an 'out' with regard to Allen: " But given the improvement he's shown from Year 1 to Year 2 -- and over the course of his sophomore season -- trust me when I tell you that I won't be surprised if he makes us look stupid during the Wild Card Weekend opener in Houston. " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Garrapalo didn't he play in one playoff game with SF? don't know why I thought otherwise Nope. Came in and won the final few games his first year, but San Fran sucked before that. He was injured the next season. This is his first full season with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, Logic said: I found this to be a completely reasonable and accurate write-up. I had zero problem with it. If I were making my own list based on "trustworthiness of each QB in the playoffs", it would likely have Allen in last place, as well. Because he hasn't played in a playoff game before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Because he hasn't played in a playoff game before? Because he's Jekyll and Hyde. If Good Josh shows up, the Bills win convincingly. Its like the Thanksgiving game all over again. If Bad Josh shows up, the Bills lose 17-13. I happen to think Good Josh will show up. But do I view him as a TRUSTWORTHY quarterback, if I'm being unbiased? I certainly do not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 46 minutes ago, MJS said: Wentz wasn't that special. Eh, I was on the train that Wentz was overrated but he carried a garbage team to the playoffs. He was awesome down the stretch. Really impressed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, wppete said: More fuel ⛽️ for the fire ?. Josh Allen dead last on this list. Nothing but disrespect for the Bills all season and especially this week. Incredible! http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001093888/article/qb-index-wild-card-round-playoff-trustworthiness-rankings I think that is a fair assessment of Allen to date. I would still rather have him than some of the QB's listed above him. I expect Allen will keep improving over the next few years while others listed above him have hit their peak. Go Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Eh, I was on the train that Wentz was overrated but he carried a garbage team to the playoffs. He was awesome down the stretch. Really impressed me. Looking at his stats again I have to concede that he upped his game down the stretch, like you said. But watching him hasn't had me feeling like he is that special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, MJS said: Wentz wasn't that special. I disagree. There’s some really great work done by guys like dan orlovsky regarding just how good Wentz has been this year. He’s better than Allen in every statistical catagory, and did so with somehow worse supporting cast. All that to say, I like Allen more than Wentz and for a “futures” bet, I’ll take Allen, but Right now Wentz has been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I propose we play the game tonight before anymore ***** comes out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I'm sure Brady was listed last his first playoff season. Let it go If Josh plays well the media will be on board. The media has no bias. They follow the bandwagon as much as they create it. Winners drive clicks and viewership. Win on the road and the Bills will be the talk of the NFL as the most dangerous team in the Division round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I'm sure Brady was listed last his first playoff season. Let it go If Josh plays well the media will be on board. The media has no bias. They follow the bandwagon as much as they create it. Winners drive clicks and viewership. Win on the road and the Bills will be the talk of the NFL as the most dangerous team in the Division round. so if my eyes see Josh play well i can find it in my heart and soul to disregard conclusions reached by stats people? will we eventually see the scoreboard and trophy presentation overturned because of someone's stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: so if my eyes see Josh play well i can find it in my heart and soul to disregard conclusions reached by stats people? will we eventually see the scoreboard and trophy presentation overturned because of someone's stats? I don't understand your post. If you are stating winning is more important than stats then I agree for the most part. Allen can win and have a terrible stat line because he can make a few plays a game that matter, he can run, and the Bills defense doesn't give up big plays. But if he has a good YPA and a positive TD/INT ratio the likelihood of a win goes up quite a bit. I don't care if he passes for 155 yards if he has 2 TD and O INT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 What's Allen''s history of playing in domes in Texas on a short week in late afternoon games? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/2/2020 at 3:20 PM, Logic said: Because he's Jekyll and Hyde. If Good Josh shows up, the Bills win convincingly. Its like the Thanksgiving game all over again. If Bad Josh shows up, the Bills lose 17-13. I happen to think Good Josh will show up. But do I view him as a TRUSTWORTHY quarterback, if I'm being unbiased? I certainly do not. he's Jekyll and Hyde. IMO that went away months ago when he stopped throwing INTs can you blame Josh for play calling? if there are no designed runs he can’t really wow us with his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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