MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Edited December 10, 2019 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Sal Projecting 90M in space for Bills with the increase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Nice. We have quite a few of our own to re-sign, but we also have the flexibility outside of that to go after at least a couple of upper tier players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Wow there is going to be some can kicking or cutting going on for a lot of teams this offseason. specially Jags to have all that cap tied up into a team that is not that good. Edited December 10, 2019 by MAJBobby 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: The Jaguars and Falcons are going to be bad for years to come with no open cap space to help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billznut said: The Jaguars and Falcons are going to be bad for years to come with no open cap space to help. I see a major sell off coming from those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Ngakoue anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: Ngakoue anyone? I like Matthew Judon more if he doesn’t re-sign with Ravens 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: I like Matthew Judon more if he doesn’t re-sign with Ravens I like him as well, just didnt see the Ravens on the list is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: I like him as well, just didnt see the Ravens on the list is all yeah they are not. That is why it might be a pipe dream for me they likely re-sign him. Ngakoue is a good consolation prize. also think we should re-sign Shaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Great news for resigning our guys we need to lock up. Can you imagine being a Falcon or Jaguar fan and being bad with little room for help from FA? In the Falcons case I think a coaching change will do wonders for that team. Also am glad to see the Chiefs up there. Edited December 10, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: yeah they are not. That is why it might be a pipe dream for me they likely re-sign him. Ngakoue is a good consolation prize. also think we should re-sign Shaq Agreed, use the money we save on cutting murphy to sign shaq 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 If the Bills release Murphy and Kroft it opens another $12.2M in cap space. Those feel like pretty easy decisions IMO. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I like Matthew Judon more if he doesn’t re-sign with Ravens Judon be a nice replacement for LorAx as a pass rusher. We'd have flip him or Milano to Will since both at Sam now.ideally though we can sign someone to.start at LB and keep LorAx for ST, leadership and depth at pass rushing to extend his career. 5 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Agreed, use the money we save on cutting murphy to sign shaq Why cut Murphy? He's as important as Shaq in the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2019 Author Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, The Jokeman said: Judon be a nice replacement for LorAx as a pass rusher. We'd have flip him or Milano to Will since both at Sam now.ideally though we can sign someone to.start at LB and keep LorAx for ST, leadership and depth at pass rushing to extend his career. I really think Lorax Retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, The Jokeman said: Judon be a nice replacement for LorAx as a pass rusher. We'd have flip him or Milano to Will since both at Sam now.ideally though we can sign someone to.start at LB and keep LorAx for ST, leadership and depth at pass rushing to extend his career. Alexander already on record as saying this is his final season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Alexander already on record as saying this is his final season. I know but if we can convince him we're close to a Super Bowl and he can player a lesser role and still contribute and win a ring he might stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Judon be a nice replacement for LorAx as a pass rusher. We'd have flip him or Milano to Will since both at Sam now.ideally though we can sign someone to.start at LB and keep LorAx for ST, leadership and depth at pass rushing to extend his career. Why cut Murphy? He's as important as Shaq in the rotation. Because he is overpaid for his production 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Hopefully some really good receivers get cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Judon be a nice replacement for LorAx as a pass rusher. We'd have flip him or Milano to Will since both at Sam now.ideally though we can sign someone to.start at LB and keep LorAx for ST, leadership and depth at pass rushing to extend his career. Why cut Murphy? He's as important as Shaq in the rotation. From my perspective you can get what he gives you for WAY less money. It’s probably an “either/or” and I’d much rather have Shaq. You can either sign a premium guy at the position or draft a guy. There’s no reason to pay Trent Murphy $9M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Trent Williams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: Because he is overpaid for his production But Josh Allen and Singletary are being under paid. You can also say the same for Josh Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Thought the Rams would be there tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Can you imagine being a Falcon or Jaguar fan and being bad with little room for help from FA? Yes, I remember the Whaley era well. ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: From my perspective you can get what he gives you for WAY less money. It’s probably an “either/or” and I’d much rather have Shaq. You can either sign a premium guy at the position or draft a guy. There’s no reason to pay Trent Murphy $9M. Then see if he'll redo his contact but no need to cut him outright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Then see if he'll redo his contact but no need to cut him outright. Also no need to hurry. Find an upgrade, THEN we can part ways with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Then see if he'll redo his contact but no need to cut him outright. You save $7.2M in cap space by cutting him. They structured his contract this way so that they could get out of it. This is standard in the NFL. It’s the same thing with Kroft. You sign some guys with injury history and give yourself an out if they don’t produce commensurate with their salary. You don’t pay a guy $9M for the production of a $2M player. Hand the savings to Shaq and either upgrade Murphy with a big time signing or replace his production with a mid-round pick. 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Also no need to hurry. Find an upgrade, THEN we can part ways with him. Yes, of course 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/ This is a nice breakdown by year for players and their salaries. You can see where the resources will flow for next season. Meanwhile, on to the Stiller’s..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said: Ngakoue anyone? Another option from Jax is Calais Campbell. The Jags can save $12.5M by cutting him. He's a giant who can play LDE or DT at a high level. Getting older so a short term fix with a lot less commitment. Very high character, good locker room guy. I like having a guy like that in front of and mentoring Darryl Johnson who should become a very important player in the Bills rotation with a good offseason. The Jags will definitely cut Dareus which will be an enormous savings as well. Their cap woes are pretty fixable with a couple moves they could get the very young Ngakoue back long term. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, papazoid said: Trent Williams Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, jjmac said: Why? That’s what I was thinking. He was top3, like 3-4 years ago. Not a fan of investing monster money in a guy who should be retired before the contract ends. But he’s a “name” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: That’s what I was thinking. He was top3, like 3-4 years ago. Not a fan of investing monster money in a guy who should be retired before the contract ends. But he’s a “name” TW has another year left on his deal anyway. Not sure I’d want to give up a good pick on top of a big, new contract. Washington was ridiculous in their demands for him last season. They never came back to reality during negotiations with teams either. No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Then see if he'll redo his contact but no need to cut him outright. If he'll redo his contract to half of what it is now, then maybe I'd consider keeping Trent Murphy around. Otherwise, he is easily replaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 51 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Yes, I remember the Whaley era well. ? Fake news on both fronts. 1) The Bills were never up against the cap under Whaley. Not even close. McBeane just wanted to re-tool and it sounded like a good excuse to sell to a fanbase who wanted to hear things like that to make themselves feel better about yet more change. But they were always scheduled to be cap rich from 2018-2020 whether Whaley stayed or went. 2) The Bills and hadn't lost 10 games in a season since 2010.........until McBeane arrived. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 According to Spotrac, the Bills are projected to have the 4th most cap space ($90 mil) in 2020 behind Miami, Indy, and Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: You save $7.2M in cap space by cutting him. They structured his contract this way so that they could get out of it. This is standard in the NFL. It’s the same thing with Kroft. You sign some guys with injury history and give yourself an out if they don’t produce commensurate with their salary. You don’t pay a guy $9M for the production of a $2M player. Hand the savings to Shaq and either upgrade Murphy with a big time signing or replace his production with a mid-round pick. Totally agree and very well stated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Fake news on both fronts. 1) The Bills were never up against the cap under Whaley. Not even close. McBeane just wanted to re-tool and it sounded like a good excuse to sell to a fanbase who wanted to hear things like that to make themselves feel better about yet more change. But they were always scheduled to be cap rich from 2018-2020 whether Whaley stayed or went. 2) The Bills and hadn't lost 10 games in a season since 2010.........until McBeane arrived. Here we go. Simple google search tells a different story. While there are a bunch of things you can do to free up money, some of their decisions were certainly dubious. And there are several more articles out there that speak to mismanagement and bad contracts (*ahem* Charles Clay albatross *ahem*). https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2016/01/22/bills-gm-whaley-recognizes-difficult-cap-situation/79162088/ https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2016/02/cordy_glenn_contract_offer_doug_whaley_buffalo_bills.html https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-coach-criticizes-past-regime-irresponsible-moves-172305978--nfl.html https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31007/brandon-beane-puts-bills-in-better-position-under-salary-cap-in-2018 Edited December 11, 2019 by TheProcess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: But Josh Allen and Singletary are being under paid. You can also say the same for Josh Brown. Not relevant. Each player needs to be able to contribute greater than their remaining contract. Otherwise, the team can do better by going in another direction. All teams have players on rookie deals. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Fake news on both fronts. 1) The Bills were never up against the cap under Whaley. Not even close. McBeane just wanted to re-tool and it sounded like a good excuse to sell to a fanbase who wanted to hear things like that to make themselves feel better about yet more change. But they were always scheduled to be cap rich from 2018-2020 whether Whaley stayed or went. 2) The Bills and hadn't lost 10 games in a season since 2010.........until McBeane arrived. This is an unpopular opinion but true. Beane did a good job of re-tooling with the guys that he wanted and bit the bullet to do it. They were never in cap trouble though. They were totally fine. He thought that the money was better spent elsewhere. That’s different than “they were in cap jail and were forced to release guys.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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