mykidsdad Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000001084100/next-gen-stats-compelling-figures-of-nfls-most-improved-players# Did we finally find our guy? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Those are some big improvements. Thanks for the share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheWoodshed Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Hope the trend continues upward. We've waited far too long to have a good QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mykidsdad said: http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000001084100/next-gen-stats-compelling-figures-of-nfls-most-improved-players# Did we finally find our guy? Nope. Accuracy can’t be fixed and some arbitrary analytic model said so. Time to tank for tua. ? Edited December 5, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheWoodshed Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Time to tank for tua. ? I thought his hip died? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Allen has also improved vs. blitzes (2018: 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 58.1 passer rating; 2019: 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 83.6 passer rating) with a 7:0 TD-INT ratio and 109.0 passer rating vs. the blitz since Week 5. !!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 It’s an outrage! * Here the argument will branch into: a.) He’s already good! or b.) He’s terrible! Wrong Josh! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 at least meatheads aren't comparing him to tyrod anymore. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, teef said: at least meatheads aren't comparing him to tyrod anymore. Give Jerry Sullivan a break. Or, on second thought, don't. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, teef said: at least meatheads aren't comparing him to tyrod anymore. Give sully a few weeks. I'm sure he'll write another piece that says something like "... the kind of play you would expect Tyrod Taylor to make" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, teef said: at least meatheads aren't comparing him to tyrod anymore. You’re the eighth thought on the thread. The night is young. ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BehindTheWoodshed said: I thought his hip died? Who cares? Have you seen his QBASE and DYAR and ABCDEFG? Off the charts! Better than Johnny Manziel!!! Edited December 5, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Allen's improvement has been off the charts. Maybe one of the most improved QBs in modern history, from college to NFL. Mainly mainly that is in just the last half of this season. Aaron Rodgers come to mind as another massive improvement, but he also spent 4 years on the bench, so it's not really the same. I'm praying it's not some fluke hot streak. I really don't believe it is. I think he continues to improve and hopefully just gets better and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Nope. Accuracy can’t be fixed and some arbitrary analytic model said so. Time to tank for tua. ? Actually, Troy Aikman made the comment on Draft day. He was concerned about Josh's accuracy in college and he was of the opinion that accuracy cannot be improved dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, ganesh said: Actually, Troy Aikman made the comment on Draft day. He was concerned about Josh's accuracy in college and he was of the opinion that accuracy cannot be improved dramatically. Yep there is another one. Who can argue with a guy that completed 52.9% as a rookie in 11 games. We know he never improved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just now, peterpan said: Allen's improvement has been off the charts. Maybe one of the most improved QBs in modern history, from college to NFL. Mainly mainly that is in just the last half of this season. Aaron Rodgers come to mind as another massive improvement, but he also spent 4 years on the bench, so it's not really the same. I'm praying it's not some fluke hot streak. I really don't believe it is. I think he continues to improve and hopefully just gets better and better. I said this (you can look it up) in the offseason -- last year was the first year Josh really received top quality coaching at the QB position. He didn't grow up playing QB and wasn't "groomed" to be a QB like most 1st rounders. He had to beg for a college scholarship. What we are seeing is that he did and does have the tools and mental capacity to apply that coaching. His development was simply behind others'...that's really all I believe this is. On an almost weekly basis now we are seeing a different light click "on" for Josh. That 3rd-and-10 throw from his own end zone against Dallas was a jaw-dropper. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Allen came in pretty high on NFL.com season long qb ranking list this week! up six slots from his position last week... i'll toss this link in here because its also from NFL.com and sorta supports the whole "progression" theme. this is actually the 2nd list this week that I've seen him come up inside the top 15. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001084167/article/qb-index-week-14-lamar-jackson-still-no-1-josh-allen-surging #13 Josh Allen Individual Rank: Bhanpuri: 13 | Blair: 15 | Filice: 11 | Parr: 14 2019 stats: 12 games | 61.5 pct | 2,591 pass yds | 7.1 ypa | 16 pass TD | 8 INT | 430 rush yds | 8 rush TD | 3 fumbles lost Bhanpuri: Allen has jumped up 14 spots on this list since Week 2 thanks in part to several superb performances like the one he produced on Thanksgiving Day. We've received a lot of heat lately from Bills Mafia for our, perhaps, overly cautious wait-and-see approach to elevating the second-year pro higher in our rankings. To that, I point to the first five weeks of the season, when Allen's play morphed from one week to the next as it often did in Year 1. Week 1 (passer rating): 71.2 Week 2: 101.1 Week 3: 81.1 Week 4: 24.0 Week 5: 98.3 So forgive us for wanting a bit more consistency from the signal-caller. Well, we asked for it and Josh Allen gave it to us. After last Thursday's signature win at Dallas, continuing a magnetic seven-week run since Buffalo's Week 6 bye, the rocket-armed passer has certainly offered up enough evidence to warrant a massive jump up the rankings. Although his accuracy still has room for improvement, his decision-making has been markedly better, as evidenced by his 16 total touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) against just two giveaways in his last seven games. What better way to vault into the top 10 than to outduel the guy sitting at No. 1? Sunday should be fun Edited December 5, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, ganesh said: Actually, Troy Aikman made the comment on Draft day. He was concerned about Josh's accuracy in college and he was of the opinion that accuracy cannot be improved dramatically. so, yes, we should be listening to a QB from arguably one of the most STACKED teams in NFL history, i'm not diminishing Troy's career/accomplishments but... damn... those Dallas teams he played on. I'm sure that helped him personally just a little bit. accuracy is a culmination of MANY factors, it's not just completion percentage and at the least it involves two people... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Say When... said: so, yes, we should be listening to a QB from arguably one of the most STACKED teams in NFL history, i'm not diminishing Troy's career/accomplishments but... damn... those Dallas teams he played on. I'm sure that helped him personally just a little bit. accuracy is a culmination of MANY factors, it's not just completion percentage and at the least it involves two people... Chris Simms, a guy that pounded the table for the bills and Allen all summer, always brought up a good point about Allen in the past.... if Wyoming had ran nearly the amount of screens OU did for Mayfield(simms gave an exact number), Allens comp % would have been massively improved and the narrative on him coming out would have been completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scott7975 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 39 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Allen came in pretty high on NFL.com season long qb ranking list this week! up six slots from his position last week... i'll toss this link in here because its also from NFL.com and sorta supports the whole "progression" theme. this is actually the 2nd list this week that I've seen him come up inside the top 15. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001084167/article/qb-index-week-14-lamar-jackson-still-no-1-josh-allen-surging #13 Josh Allen Individual Rank: Bhanpuri: 13 | Blair: 15 | Filice: 11 | Parr: 14 2019 stats: 12 games | 61.5 pct | 2,591 pass yds | 7.1 ypa | 16 pass TD | 8 INT | 430 rush yds | 8 rush TD | 3 fumbles lost Bhanpuri: Allen has jumped up 14 spots on this list since Week 2 thanks in part to several superb performances like the one he produced on Thanksgiving Day. We've received a lot of heat lately from Bills Mafia for our, perhaps, overly cautious wait-and-see approach to elevating the second-year pro higher in our rankings. To that, I point to the first five weeks of the season, when Allen's play morphed from one week to the next as it often did in Year 1. Week 1 (passer rating): 71.2 Week 2: 101.1 Week 3: 81.1 Week 4: 24.0 Week 5: 98.3 So forgive us for wanting a bit more consistency from the signal-caller. Well, we asked for it and Josh Allen gave it to us. After last Thursday's signature win at Dallas, continuing a magnetic seven-week run since Buffalo's Week 6 bye, the rocket-armed passer has certainly offered up enough evidence to warrant a massive jump up the rankings. Although his accuracy still has room for improvement, his decision-making has been markedly better, as evidenced by his 16 total touchdowns (11 passing, 5 rushing) against just two giveaways in his last seven games. What better way to vault into the top 10 than to outduel the guy sitting at No. 1? Sunday should be fun Was just going to post this. Glad I seen yours first 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, BehindTheWoodshed said: I thought his hip died? It was his spleen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 does the NFL give a most improved player award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 To those who believe no explanation is necessary. To those who do not believe no explanation is possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: I said this (you can look it up) in the offseason -- last year was the first year Josh really received top quality coaching at the QB position. He didn't grow up playing QB and wasn't "groomed" to be a QB like most 1st rounders. He had to beg for a college scholarship. What we are seeing is that he did and does have the tools and mental capacity to apply that coaching. His development was simply behind others'...that's really all I believe this is. On an almost weekly basis now we are seeing a different light click "on" for Josh. That 3rd-and-10 throw from his own end zone against Dallas was a jaw-dropper. Agreed and I was echoing this a lot too when we drafted him and through his rookie year. He was a multi sport athlete in HS and never really fully committed to football which also contributed to the lack of college opportunities. He has had lower level coaching at every stage of his football journey until he got to the NFL. Small school stuff all along, poor talent on the roster around him, etc. Now we are seeing this kid just keep getting better and learn from mistakes. 2 years from now, I think he will be a consensus top 5 QB in the NFL...really think he will get there. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Allen has also improved vs. blitzes (2018: 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 58.1 passer rating; 2019: 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 83.6 passer rating) with a 7:0 TD-INT ratio and 109.0 passer rating vs. the blitz since Week 5. !!! Throw out weeks 1 through 4 and what are the stats?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Nope. Accuracy can’t be fixed and some arbitrary analytic model said so. Time to tank for tua. ? He will end up in NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 44 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Agreed and I was echoing this a lot too when we drafted him and through his rookie year. He was a multi sport athlete in HS and never really fully committed to football which also contributed to the lack of college opportunities. He has had lower level coaching at every stage of his football journey until he got to the NFL. Small school stuff all along, poor talent on the roster around him, etc. Now we are seeing this kid just keep getting better and learn from mistakes. 2 years from now, I think he will be a consensus top 5 QB in the NFL...really think he will get there. Allen's improvement has been nothing short of remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Yep there is another one. Who can argue with a guy that completed 52.9% as a rookie in 11 games. We know he never improved it. He should be forced to return his Gold jacket! And put a bag over his bust, to boot! He can’t possibly deserve it if that was his starting point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Man I LOVE this: "Allen has also improved vs. blitzes (2018: 2 TDs, 4 INTs, 58.1 passer rating; 2019: 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 83.6 passer rating) with a 7:0 TD-INT ratio and 109.0 passer rating vs. the blitz since Week 5. " Not only is he not making BAD Plays when blitzed, he's making teams PAY for blitzing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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