Doug Flutie to be legend of the game this Sunday

[Xwnyer]

6 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Yes!!

WHY??

[StHustle]

Doug Flutie is still the Bills best QB since Kelly (Josh is nipping at his heels). SMH at the hate for a guy who gave his all week after week and has THE BEST winning percentage of all QBs in Bills history. What happened to him NEVER HAPPENED TO ANY OTHER STARTING QB IN NFL HISTORY. And still hasn't happened since. People wanted him to suck it up and accept it like he isnt a human being and a man who was Robbed (pun intended) of what he earned. 

 

So many bash him but Flutie was a WINNER and a PRO BOWLER. Sure we averaged the #3 defense during the 3 years he was with us but Offense can have a huge effect on those defensive rankings (our defense fell like 20 spots after he left) PLUS we had plenty top 5 defenses over the dought and no QB had a winning record (sans Orton who was 7-5) let alone 70% winning percentage.

SHOW THE MAN SOME RESPECT!!! 

Edited December 6, 2019 by StHustle

[purple haze]

7 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.....will his ego fit through the tunnel?...just askin'............

LoL.  In Flutie's defense, to make it as a 5'9 QB in the pro's, one would need a healthy ego to survive all the naysayers on the way there. He wasn't just battling physical obstacles, but the obstacle of perception which often times is harder than the physical to overcome.

[Helpmenow]

Tremendous player.

[Bad Things]

Will this help wash away The Flutie Curse?

 

[tcampbell104]

i dont believe in a qb  that when they keep you in the pocket and make you beat them with his, arm usually he couldnt

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Yes!!

 

I was at game 20 years ago and at end of game the Shout song could be heard outside the stadium complex.

11 hours ago, BehindTheWoodshed said:

I think Rob Johnson should be the starter, he's taller and has muscles.

 

Sure let Ravens sign him.

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...thought I read Doug works for Massengill now, but could be wrong.............

 

Sounds like something a douche would post but since you are not one you must be mistaken.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

WTF. Why are they bring Flutie back? He's not a legend and left under bad terms. 

[StHustle]

10 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

WTF. Why are they bring Flutie back? He's not a legend and left under bad terms. 

 

Wrong. Flutie is indeed a Legend. Highest win percentage for a QB in Bills History. Was unceremoniously benched for a lesser QB which led to the Music City Miracle and then the longest playoff drought in NFL History. He had his own cereal. And was the original MAGIC QB before Fitz. Him leaving under bad terms WAS NOT HIS FAULT. Was clearly Ralph's fault. He had every right to be PISSED and react the way he did after fighting all year to get us in position for a superbowl run, only to be benched cause our backup looked good in a no pressure game. BTW the team we should have AND WOULD HAVE beat if Flutie started, went on to the superbowl and lost in the last seconds. Could have/should have been us with a chance to win a ring that year. SMH. Flutie was ROBBED!

 

LONG LIVE THE LEGEND OF FLUTIE!!!

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I still remember that bootleg against Jacksonville.  Love him or hate him, he's the only Bills QB since Jim Kelly with a winning record (JA currently notwithstanding).  He's a malcontent when he's benched behind inferior QB's.  We win the Titans game if Wade wasn't a ***** about starting Scrub Johnson.  Flutie was fine here until that happened.

That Bills/Jax game was great. One of the few games I attended live, and what a memory! 
 

I really liked Flutie, but agreed with then (and even still now) the decision to go with RJ. RJ

was looking great, and he played pretty well in that Titans game too. We all know how it should have ended! 

[StHustle]

10 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

he played pretty well in that Titans game too. We all know how it should have ended! 

 

Are you serious? Rob Johnson completed 10 of 22 passes for 131 yards, 0 TDs, 6 sacks, 3 Fumbles and gave up a safety. You consider that playing "pretty well" ???

 

Anyone who paid any attention to how Flutie played and his skill set KNOWS we win that game with him behind center. Heck we almost, and should have still won despite how garbage RJ played. Bottom line, we arent in position for a run back to cost us the game if Flutie started like he should have,

[LABILLBACKER]

11 hours ago, CardinalScotts said:

boy as a fan base we hold on to stuff.....let it go people you'll be happier

God really,  this misconceived hatred for Doug is just stupid. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

18 hours ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Yes!!

 

Oh God no. Keep that midget as far away from the team as possible

 

6 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Wrong. Flutie is indeed a Legend. Highest win percentage for a QB in Bills History. Was unceremoniously benched for a lesser QB which led to the Music City Miracle and then the longest playoff drought in NFL History. He had his own cereal. And was the original MAGIC QB before Fitz. Him leaving under bad terms WAS NOT HIS FAULT. Was clearly Ralph's fault. He had every right to be PISSED and react the way he did after fighting all year to get us in position for a superbowl run, only to be benched cause our backup looked good in a no pressure game. BTW the team we should have AND WOULD HAVE beat if Flutie started, went on to the superbowl and lost in the last seconds. Could have/should have been us with a chance to win a ring that year. SMH. Flutie was ROBBED!

 

LONG LIVE THE LEGEND OF FLUTIE!!!

 

just

 

[Gugny]

12 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Flutie is stoppin' by to drop off some locker room cancer.

 

I hope they keep him away from the team.  Put a little drum set somewhere else in the facility and keep him away from the players.  Just thinking about this guy turns my ***** stomach.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Tremendous player.

 

 

....yup.....just ask him....you'll get an ear full..........

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

9 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Are you serious? Rob Johnson completed 10 of 22 passes for 131 yards, 0 TDs, 6 sacks, 3 Fumbles and gave up a safety. You consider that playing "pretty well" ???

 

Anyone who paid any attention to how Flutie played and his skill set KNOWS we win that game with him behind center. Heck we almost, and should have still won despite how garbage RJ played. Bottom line, we arent in position for a run back to cost us the game if Flutie started like he should have,

RJ led us down the field for what should have been the GW FG on a clutch drive. You can point to the stats,  but if you recall, that Tenn Def was ridiculous with Kearse. He was unblockable all year and I don’t think tenn lost at home that year. 
 

for how Flutie was playing down the stretch in the regular season compared to how RJ

looked in that last regular season game, I can see why the team made the call. And I was a fan of both guys! 

[The Dean]

9 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

Are you serious? Rob Johnson completed 10 of 22 passes for 131 yards, 0 TDs, 6 sacks, 3 Fumbles and gave up a safety. You consider that playing "pretty well" ???

 

Anyone who paid any attention to how Flutie played and his skill set KNOWS we win that game with him behind center. Heck we almost, and should have still won despite how garbage RJ played. Bottom line, we arent in position for a run back to cost us the game if Flutie started like he should have,

 

 

Flutie's arm by then was shot and he really couldn't get the ball downfield. That year, Flutie seemed to basically stink most of the game, but would often manage to do something exciting in the 4th quarter to pull out the win. Johnson played a very Flutie-like game in that playoff game. He stunk most of the game but made an exciting (and Flutiesque) pass, having lost a shoe, to put the Bills ahead with on 16 seconds to play. Special Teams blew that game, not RJ,

 

The year before in the playoffs, Flutie FUMBLED to lose the game. He was the goat in that game. What in the world makes people think the outcome would have been different against the Titans? If you really think Flutie was The Man for that job, what became of his career after that year? Did he "just win" after that? Flutie was done. Truth is, he was done much earlier than the Bills realized.

 

I'm not defending RJ here. As it turns out, his career in the NFL was as forgettable as Flutie's was after that year. But he was young, had an arm (something Flutie lacked by then) and was clearly the QB of the future for the Bills---if anyone on the roster was going to get that job. His performance the game before was pretty impressive and IMO he deserved to get the start.

 

And keep in mind, Flutie's NFL career isn't really anything to brag about.  A career backup in the NFL (with a few starts in NE), he was never able to breakthrough. Since his ego was three times his height, he wouldn't be a backup (where he probably would have excelled, IMO) he dodged the NFL and escaped to Canada. There he excelled!!  But his best years were with the Bills, no doubt. B

 

But what convinces some people the Bills would have beaten the Titans if Flutie had played? There is nothing in his NFL past or future that suggest that.  He was the QB for ZERO wins in the NFL previously (or in the future). In fact, since he fumbled the previous year's playoff game away, what makes you so sure the Bills would have won? 

 

Flutie? Exciting QB who was fun to watch. Great college and CFL QB. Career NFL backup/journeyman with 2-3 years of pretty decent play. He was a poor man's Fitz.  Perhaps the most overrated NFL player of our time.

 

 

[MJS]

The Flutie hate is silly. Flutie is one of the best QB's to have played for the Bills. I'm not just saying that, it's a fact. He's one of the few that took us to playoff games. He's one of the very few that have a winning record.

 

And what do all of you haters think he did that was so horrible? He wanted to play. He didn't respect Johnson because Flutie knew he sucked. He was vocal about it. Why is that such a big deal, especially when he was right? Rob Johnson was a crappy QB. If things weren't so political for the Bills those years, it would have been clear that Flutie should have been starting the whole time.

[Jerry Jabber]

BREAKING NEWS

 

The Buffalo Bills have just announced that Former Bills QB Rob Johnson will be replacing Doug Flutie as the Bills legend on Sunday at New Era Field.

[blacklabel]

Flug Doutie, heh heh.... 

 

There were/are fans who believe he was better than Jimbo? Yeesh. 

[Jerry Jabber]

Rob Johnson was great at coming off the bench and playing good for one game, he could never put two good games together. In hindsight, it was a terrible move on John Butler's part for trading for Johnson, giving up a first and a fourth round picks for him. Flutie was a good game manager and had good scrambling ability, which was needed behind the Bills terrible O-line of the time.

[Cripple Creek]

Would it be improper of me to boo him?

[Mike in Horseheads]

18 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Would it be improper of me to boo him?

I hope your ejected for the premises if you do and have to meet him outside in a dark alley.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

Flug Doutie, heh heh.... 

 

There were/are fans who believe he was better than Jimbo? Yeesh. 

No. There aren't. Where are you pulling that from?

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

RJ led us down the field for what should have been the GW FG on a clutch drive. You can point to the stats,  but if you recall, that Tenn Def was ridiculous with Kearse. He was unblockable all year and I don’t think tenn lost at home that year. 
 

for how Flutie was playing down the stretch in the regular season compared to how RJ

looked in that last regular season game, I can see why the team made the call. And I was a fan of both guys! 

 

No...it was a terrible decision. There is a reason why that was the first time in history that decision was made...and like the last. You don't bench your healthy starting QB for the backup based on how he looked in a week 17 meaningless game. RJ was a statue and because of Kearse is the exact reason Flutie needed to be back there. Those sacks and fumbles and the safety killed us. Doesn't happen with Flutie back there. TERRIBLE DECISION!

[row_33]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

. Flutie is one of the best QB's to have played for the Bills. I'm not just saying that, it's a fact.

 

 

that's testimony to how much the franchise has SUCKED in QBs outside of not-even-a handful of them, some darn good ones there in that list

 

The Bears have been way more pitiful in QB history...  that's about it offhand.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

The Flutie hate is silly. Flutie is one of the best QB's to have played for the Bills. I'm not just saying that, it's a fact. He's one of the few that took us to playoff games. He's one of the very few that have a winning record.

 

And what do all of you haters think he did that was so horrible? He wanted to play. He didn't respect Johnson because Flutie knew he sucked. He was vocal about it. Why is that such a big deal, especially when he was right? Rob Johnson was a crappy QB. If things weren't so political for the Bills those years, it would have been clear that Flutie should have been starting the whole time.

The hate comes from Flutie undermining Johnson, even if you  think your better you don't campaign. Instead he divided the locker room. In terms of RJ's crappiness, the kid has ONE NFL start before he got here. Sure he struggled his first two games against San Diego and Miami. Yet that 3rd game against the Rams he was pretty good and we should have realistically won that game if Flutie could have killed that clock in the end to avoid the Rams getting the ball and win in last few seconds. The game following that he beats a 49ers team. He gets hurt vs Indy and doesn't play again until Week 17 when he plays great against New Orleans. Yes, Flutie played well in 1998 but he outright sucked in 1999, Phillips played RJ in the finale and played great again showing a spark that the offense hadn't seen all season beating a Colts team that Flutie lost to in our season opener that year. So that's why Flutie got benched right fullyso or not. Those that clamor record only didn't want to see Flutie's horrible stats, they just accepted the win for the win. Hell people complain about Josh's struggles last year, Flutie's completion percentage in 1999 was worse!!! despite playing how many games in the USFL, NFL and CFL prior to that? To me the biggest flaw in supporting Flutie is he didn't play well and he wasn't going to be a long term answer at QB at his age. Toss in Flutie's renegotiated contract after 1998 killed our cap.  At least with RJ there was hope with youth on his side, yet again his inability to play through injuries, inability to be consistent cost him his job ultimately but I would like to have seen him in 1998/1999 with more playing time to see if he could have come out of it, if he didn't oh well we just get rid of him that much faster.

9 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

No...it was a terrible decision. There is a reason why that was the first time in history that decision was made...and like the last. You don't bench your healthy starting QB for the backup based on how he looked in a week 17 meaningless game. RJ was a statue and because of Kearse is the exact reason Flutie needed to be back there. Those sacks and fumbles and the safety killed us. Doesn't happen with Flutie back there. TERRIBLE DECISION!

You're right with Flutie we probably see him throw 2 or 3 interceptions instead of taking the sacks RJ took and the Titans end up getting a few more FG attempts and the game out of reach in the 4th Quarter because everyone can play this revisionist history game since nobody knows for sure what Flutie would have done it that game.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

The hate comes from Flutie undermining Johnson, even if you  think your better you don't campaign. Instead he divided the locker room. In terms of RJ's crappiness, the kid has ONE NFL start before he got here. Sure he struggled his first two games against San Diego and Miami. Yet that 3rd game against the Rams he was pretty good and we should have realistically won that game if Flutie could have killed that clock in the end to avoid the Rams getting the ball and win in last few seconds. The game following that he beats a 49ers team. He gets hurt vs Indy and doesn't play again until Week 17 when he plays great against New Orleans. Yes, Flutie played well in 1998 but he outright sucked in 1999, Phillips played RJ in the finale and played great again showing a spark that the offense hadn't seen all season beating a Colts team that Flutie lost to in our season opener that year. So that's why Flutie got benched right fullyso or not. Those that clamor record only didn't want to see Flutie's horrible stats, they just accepted the win for the win. Hell people complain about Josh's struggles last year, Flutie's completion percentage in 1999 was worse!!! despite playing how many games in the USFL, NFL and CFL prior to that? To me the biggest flaw in supporting Flutie is he didn't play well and he wasn't going to be a long term answer at QB at his age. Toss in Flutie's renegotiated contract after 1998 killed our cap.  At least with RJ there was hope with youth on his side, yet again his inability to play through injuries, inability to be consistent cost him his job ultimately but I would like to have seen him in 1998/1999 with more playing time to see if he could have come out of it, if he didn't oh well we just get rid of him that much faster.

I honestly don't care that he "undermined" Johnson. Johnson sucked. Flutie was better. Doesn't mean Flutie was great, just means he deserved to play over Johnson.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

I honestly don't care that he "undermined" Johnson. Johnson sucked. Flutie was better. Doesn't mean Flutie was great, just means he deserved to play over Johnson.

Johnson outplayed Flutie in 1999 plain and simple. I care that he undermined Johnson because it's unprofessional. I mean do you think Fluie would be part of the process we have here now? Nope and he'd be out the door. 

[StHustle]

1 hour ago, The Dean said:

But what convinces some people the Bills would have beaten the Titans if Flutie had played? There is nothing in his NFL past or future that suggest that.

 

Well let's see.

RJ took more sacks the Flutie did all year (TWICE as many than he did all year besides the opener)
RJ had more fumbles than Flutie had all year

RJ took a safety which Flutie hadnt given up all year

RJ had less passing yards than Flutie had all year

 

Rob Johnson was a statue in the pocket. WRONG GUY to stick back there against that Titans pass rush. HUGE MISTAKE and there is PLENTY OF EVIDENCE to back my point in a game that came down to the last play. RJ had BY FAR the worst showing at QB for the year all season and you say what evidence do we have Flutie would have won??? Be realistic. Obviously nobody knows for sure what would have happened by my goodness the odds are HEAVILY stacked in the favor of my train of thought.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Would it be improper of me to boo him?

 

Nope.  And any members of the Bills' defense during his tenure would be well within their right to boo him, as well.

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Well let's see.

RJ took more sacks the Flutie did all year (TWICE as many than he did all year besides the opener)
RJ had more fumbles than Flutie had all year

RJ took a safety which Flutie hadnt given up all year

RJ had less passing yards than Flutie had all year

 

Rob Johnson was a statue in the pocket. WRONG GUY to stick back there against that Titans pass rush. HUGE MISTAKE and there is PLENTY OF EVIDENCE to back my point in a game that came down to the last play. RJ had BY FAR the worst showing at QB for the year all season and you say what evidence do we have Flutie would have won??? Be realistic. Obviously nobody knows for sure what would have happened by my goodness the odds are HEAVILY stacked in the favor of my train of thought.

YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT IS FLAWED WHEN IGNORE  DON'T LOOK AT HOW CRAPPY OUR OFFENSE WAS IN 1999 UNDER FLUTIE  THE LAST 6 GAMES HE STARTED!!!!!

Edited December 6, 2019 by The Jokeman

[StHustle]

20 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

LOOK AT HOW CRAPPY OUR OFFENSE WAS IN 1999 UNDER FLUTIE  THE LAST 6 GAMES HE STARTED!!!!!

 

DOES 

NOT 

MATTER

 

None were as CRAPPY as RJ's game. IT WAS THE WRONG DECISION!

 

You dont make that change for game 1 of the playoffs. NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE AND WILL LIKELY NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Plenty of QBs entered the playoffs struggling. Eli won both his superbowls following subpar seasons. YOU STICK WITH YOUR STARTER. YOU STICK WITH WHAT EARNED YOU A PLAYOFF SPOT. 

 

T

[The Jokeman]

3 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

DOES 

NOT 

MATTER

 

None were as CRAPPY as RJ's game. IT WAS THE WRONG DECISION!

 

You dont make that change for game 1 of the playoffs. NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE AND WILL LIKELY NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. Plenty of QBs entered the playoffs struggling. Eli won both his superbowls following subpar seasons. YOU STICK WITH YOUR STARTER. YOU STICK WITH WHAT EARNED YOU A PLAYOFF SPOT. 

 

T

IF someone tackles Dyson on the kickoff nobody cares how bad RJ played because he won us the game when he left the field, he gets the Flutie treatment and treated as a hero and most likely don't care about Flutie until the next season, yet even with Flutie or RJ we would never had won a Super Bowl against the Rams, so who cares?

[Livinginthepast]

2 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

The year before in the playoffs, Flutie FUMBLED to lose the game. He was the goat in that game. What in the world makes people think the outcome would have been different against the Titans? If you really think Flutie was The Man for that job, what became of his career after that year? Did he "just win" after that? Flutie was done. Truth is, he was done much earlier than the Bills realized.

 

I'm not defending RJ here. As it turns out, his career in the NFL was as forgettable as Flutie's was after that year. But he was young, had an arm (something Flutie lacked by then) and was clearly the QB of the future for the Bills---if anyone on the roster was going to get that job. His performance the game before was pretty impressive and IMO he deserved to get the start.

 

 

 

 

I hear what you're saying and I agree with your take on Flutie's arm being shot but accusing Flutie of "fumbling" the Miami playoff game away is conveniently ignoring the fact that he took a massive blind side hit from Miami's defensive line on that last offensive play of the Bills. A hit that should have been picked up by Thurman. Any Bills QB past or present would have been separated from the ball on a hit that hard. In addition, it was an earlier fumble by Moulds right at the start which should have been a long bomb TD that was also killer.  Flutie' s NFL career was mediocre, I agree but had far more interesting moments than that total fraud Johnson.

Edited December 6, 2019 by Livinginthepast

[StHustle]

36 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Johnson outplayed Flutie in 1999 plain and simple. I care that he undermined Johnson because it's unprofessional. I mean do you think Fluie would be part of the process we have here now? Nope and he'd be out the door. 

You cant outplay a 15 game starter who went 10-5 IN ONE GAME. A MEANINGLESS GAME! NO PRESSURE.  Yes he had a 122 QB Rating. Flutie had 122 or better 3 TIMES THAT YEAR including a 133 rating against a playoff team.

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, StHustle said:

You cant outplay a 15 game starter who went 10-5 IN ONE GAME. A MEANINGLESS GAME! NO PRESSURE.  Yes he had a 122 QB Rating. Flutie had 122 or better 3 TIMES THAT YEAR including a 133 rating against a playoff team.

What Flutie do his last 6 games? The offense was stagnant and that's why he got benched. The Colts game wasn't meaningless as they were playing for home field advantage, if it was meaningless Peyton would never had started. 

[StHustle]

24 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

IF someone tackles Dyson on the kickoff nobody cares how bad RJ played because he won us the game when he left the field, he gets the Flutie treatment and treated as a hero and most likely don't care about Flutie until the next season, yet even with Flutie or RJ we would never had won a Super Bowl against the Rams, so who cares?

 

WRONG! We win that game and MANY would have been clamoring that we go back to Flutie. AGAIN he threw for LESS yards than Flutie did all year. Got sacked MORE time. Had MORE fumbles. MORE safeties. And cause he led a game winning FG drive it would erase the HORRIBLE game? RJ completed 2 passes that drive for 23 yards. WOW!!! WHAT A HERO! Come on man. 

 

4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

What Flutie do his last 6 games? The offense was stagnant and that's why he got benched. The Colts game wasn't meaningless as they were playing for home field advantage, if it was meaningless Peyton would never had started. 

 

Flutie had a 140 QB Rating in one of these last 6 games you speak of. We went 4-2. HOW SPOILED WE WERE!!! Let's bench the last QB who will lead us to the playoffs for the last time in the next 18 years cause he is in a slump. NO TEAM DOES THIS. NEVER HAPPENED. STOP DEFENDING THIS!!!

Edited December 6, 2019 by StHustle

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Will this be the thread that finally aligns the flutie people and the RJ people ?

 

?