Myles Garrett suspended indefinitely (minimum 2019 season), Pouncy 3 games, Ogunjobi 1 game

[SirAndrew]

So how does Rudolph’s injury compare to Tre White’s from Gronk? Not saying Garrett was innocent, just saying the NFL is a joke. 

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So Gronk didn't go insane when he jumped on Tre's back and threw his metal-casted arm at the back of his head while he was face down on the ground?  LOL, OK.

Right and someone got hurt. No one got hurt yesterday. What a joke. 

[Nextmanup]

Just now, SirAndrew said:

So how does Rudolph’s injury compare to Tre White’s from Gronk? Not saying Garrett was innocent, just saying the NFL is a joke. 

I do think the Gronk incident was comparable to last night in terms of utter severity and dangerousness.

 

I actually think White was hurt more from the incident than Rudolph was, who seemed to take the helmet hit rather well.

 

There is a lack of consistency here!

 

 

[Rob's House]

6 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I don't know how predictable it was, but it does look like Rudolph is going to escape with no penalty.

Which is ironic, considering he was easily the second most guilty party in the entire incident and can be argued to have started it all.

I think Garrett started it with the way he took Rudolph to the ground after the ball was gone and considering the score and clock.

 

Nonetheless, Rudolph had a major role to play in this whole thing and he gets nothing!?

 

 

 

Other than these unconfirmed allegations of crotch shots, I'm having a hard time seeing what's so egregious about Rudolph's response.

 

I get the argument that pulling at Garrett's helmet was a bit much, but that and getting in the face of the guy that just slammed you to the ground isn't usually a suspension worthy offense.

 

Can you think of anyone who's ever been suspended for similar behavior?

 

I can't.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

the defense of rudolph in this thread is ridiculous.

 

if this were on the street, both would of been taken in to custody. 

 

at the least, he deserves a hefty fine for his part. those claiming it was a reaction to the tackle must believe his reaction was justified.

 

he should of just stayed down on his ass and allowed the officials to handle it. that would of been the professional thing to do.

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

I do think the Gronk incident was comparable to last night in terms of utter severity and dangerousness.

 

I actually think White was hurt more from the incident than Rudolph was, who seemed to take the helmet hit rather well.

 

There is a lack of consistency here!

 

 

and yet neither the NFL or even ESPN has mentioned it in regards to what happened last night.

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Rudolph should get a large fine in my opinion

 

What he did I don't think is suspendable, just because his actions provoked absolute lunacy from Garrett doesn't mean he should be suspended

 

 

 

This is how I feel also.  Garrett started the whole thing and Rudolph retaliated and then Garrett got violent.

It was so stupid to do on the last play of the game.

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

So how does Rudolph’s injury compare to Tre White’s from Gronk? Not saying Garrett was innocent, just saying the NFL is a joke. 

I agree Gronk should've been suspended, but under no circumstances can a player be allowed to take off another player's helmet and use it as a weapon against them.

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

He simply reacted to the way he perceived he was brought to the ground late. Then to getting pulled up off the ground by his facemask. Jim Kelly would've done the same thing Mason did or worse if that happened to him.

Maybe so but I didn't ask to explain Rudolph's behavior; I'm asking to justify it. 

 

You can't.  He should be suspended with the rest of them.

 

[Editorial note: I don't think any of them should be suspended necessarily; it was the most entertaining episode in the entire game last night; let them go at it a bit; I would have kicked them all out of the game (which was over anyway) and left it at that, then maybe given Garrett a couple game suspension b/c he used his helmet as a weapon].

 

 

[Frez]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He also Tried to rip Garretts Helmet off and Kicked him.

He sure did! 

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Other than these unconfirmed allegations of crotch shots, I'm having a hard time seeing what's so egregious about Rudolph's response.

 

I get the argument that pulling at Garrett's helmet was a bit much, but that and getting in the face of the guy that just slammed you to the ground isn't usually a suspension worthy offense.

 

Can you think of anyone who's ever been suspended for similar behavior?

 

I can't.

I'm talking about Rudolph lying on his back and very clearly grabbing Garrett's face mask and trying to use it to rip Garrett's helmet off his head, which went on for several seconds, unsuccessfully.

 

That is what lit up Garrett who then thought "you want to rip my helmet off? I'll rip off yours!"

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

Maybe so but I didn't ask to explain Rudolph's behavior; I'm asking to justify it. 

 

You can't.  He should be suspended with the rest of them.

 

[Editorial note: I don't think any of them should be suspended necessarily; it was the most entertaining episode in the entire game last night; let them go at it a bit; I would have kicked them all out of the game (which was over anyway) and left it at that, then maybe given Garrett a couple game suspension b/c he used his helmet as a weapon].

 

 

No he shouldn't. His actions were responses to what Garrett was doing to him. Just because you don't believe that doesn't mean Mason should be suspended.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

I agree Gronk should've been suspended, but under no circumstances can a player be allowed to take off another player's helmet and use it as a weapon against them.

I have no problem with Garrett’s suspension. It’s just gross that Gronk actually hurt a dude. Garrett’s antics were dangerous, but Rudolph wasn’t even injured. NFL double standard apparent once again. 

[ColoradoBills]

So if I'm hearing this correctly some people are calling for 4 game suspensions for a player grabbing and pulling a facemask?

I think I'm done with this conversation.  LOL

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Disagree, Rudolph tried ripping Garrett's head off which led to the brawl. He should have been ejected and at minimum fined.

 

So Garrett was just standing there watching the play downfield when Rudolph walked up to him and trying to rip off his helmet?  Huh.  I didn't see the game so thanks for clarifying that for me.

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

This is how I feel also.  Garrett started the whole thing and Rudolph retaliated and then Garrett got violent.

It was so stupid to do on the last play of the game.

 

I felt like I got to know Garrett a little bit 2 seasons ago on Hard Knocks on HBO.  He seemed like a very down to earth, intelligent, stable guy on that show, despite being a #1 overall phenom of a player. 

 

Because of that impression of him, I couldn't believe the way he snapped last night and went full Rambo on Rudolph.

 

I wonder if there was stuff being said during the melee that went above and beyond normal chit chat on a football field, or something.

 

Reminds me of when Zidane went nuts and head butted Materazzi in the World Cup Final back in 2006.  You knew something was going on there that the camera and microphones didn't catch.

 

A decade later Marco Materazzi admitted that he said something about Zidane's sister (LOL) and it just made Zidane snap!

 

 

 

 

[Numark3]

4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I'm talking about Rudolph lying on his back and very clearly grabbing Garrett's face mask and trying to use it to rip Garrett's helmet off his head, which went on for several seconds, unsuccessfully.

 

That is what lit up Garrett who then thought "you want to rip my helmet off? I'll rip off yours!"

 

 

and if that’s where it stopped, this thread wouldn’t have ever existed...

 

it’s the whole, beating someone with a helmet  that’s an issue.

 

 

[KD in CA]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

So if I'm hearing this correctly some people are calling for 4 game suspensions for a player grabbing and pulling a facemask?

I think I'm done with this conversation.  LOL

 

....in self defense.....after being the target of a cheap shot.....from a well known cheap shot artist.   

[Franco_92]

There are people in here suggesting that what Rudolph did was worthy of the 3rd-longest suspension for on-field actions in NFL history. 
 
Think about what you're saying, people. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I'm talking about Rudolph lying on his back and very clearly grabbing Garrett's face mask and trying to use it to rip Garrett's helmet off his head, which went on for several seconds, unsuccessfully.

 

That is what lit up Garrett who then thought "you want to rip my helmet off? I'll rip off yours!"

 

 

Which happened after Mason was taken to the ground late. Mason got mad,  Garrett went nuclear. Garrett doesn't already know you can't go nuclear on an NFL field? In a primetime game no less. One got mad, one lost his mind. It's not anyone's fault but Garrett's that he can't control his temper.

Edited November 15, 2019 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I'm sincerely flabbergasted at all the defenders Garrett has here.

 

Bad look.

 

[row_33]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

I'm sincerely flabbergasted at all the defenders Garrett has here.

 

Bad look.

 

 

it's a good thing, lets you know whom to never talk to or get advice from ever again.

 

 

[Phils n Bills]

Honestly, any kind of extra curricular activity after the penalty deserves some sort of discipline. All who participates deserves some sort of discipline. The maliciousness of their actions should dictate the severity of the discipline. Attempting to  pull a players helmet off deserves discipline just as much as pulling a players helmet off and hitting him with it. I’m not sure that should be disputed. What should be disputed is the severity of their actions. One is obviously much worse than the other and the discipline should reflect that. 

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Phils n Bills said:

Honestly, any kind of extra curricular activity after the penalty deserves some sort of discipline. All who participates deserves some sort of discipline. The maliciousness of their actions should dictate the severity of the discipline. Attempting to  pull a players helmet off deserves discipline just as much as pulling a players helmet off and hitting him with it. I’m not sure that should be disputed. What should be disputed is the severity of their actions. One is obviously much worse than the other and the discipline should reflect that. 

 

he shoved me so i picked up a brick and hit him in the head with it

 

he started it...  Duh...........................

[MAJBobby]

9 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

No he shouldn't. His actions were responses to what Garrett was doing to him. Just because you don't believe that doesn't mean Mason should be suspended.

You mean Tackling him?

[billsfan_34]

43 minutes ago, arcane said:

"A few games" for an on-field action would put him up near the top of the list of suspension length due to on-field actions, in NFL HISTORY. His reaction is deserving of a penalty and little more. This is just crazy talk. 

My point is theres lots of blame to go along. Rudolph attempts to pull miles helmet off then continues to chase after him after getting his helmet ripped off. Miles and Pouncy took things to a very heightened level for sure but Rudolph was no angel either thats all I am saying. Anyways doesnt matter the NFL will do as they see fit.

[cle23]

10 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

....in self defense.....after being the target of a cheap shot.....from a well known cheap shot artist.   

 

People keep saying it was a cheap shot. The ref standing right there didn't flag the tackle. Flags didn't go out until they were upright and fighting.

Edited November 15, 2019 by cle23

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

You mean Tackling him?

 

Truthfully I was watching the game live and I seen the takedown and the first thing I thought was "that's a penalty" and then all hell broke loose.

Just now, cle23 said:

 

People keep saying it was a cheap shot. The ref standing right there didn't flag the tackle. Flags didn't go out until they were upright and fighting.

 

Great, can all the teams of the league do that to Brady?

[Phils n Bills]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

he shoved me so i picked up a brick and hit him in the head with it

 

he started it...  Duh...........................

Slap on the wrist for shoving, jail time and criminal charges for assault with a weapon. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

and if that’s where it stopped, this thread wouldn’t have ever existed...

 

it’s the whole, beating someone with a helmet  that’s an issue.

 

Exactly. 

 

2 minutes ago, cle23 said:

People keep saying it was a cheap shot. The ref standing right there didn't flag the tackle. Flags didn't go out until they were upright and fighting.

 

Refs make judgement calls every game.  Doesn't mean there wasn't a penalty.  There were what, 8 seconds left?  What would calling the foul accomplish?

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

You mean Tackling him?

Haven't you tried to make this point 142 times already? The league still doesn't agree with you, but maybe if you get up to 200 times they may start listening.

[Real McClappy]

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Truthfully I was watching the game live and I seen the takedown and the first thing I thought was "that's a penalty" and then all hell broke loose.

 

Great, can all the teams of the league do that to Brady?

yep like most thought because happens every week. So why doesn’t every week end up in a brawl?  Because other QBs don’t become unhinged 

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Haven't you tried to make this point 142 times already? The league still doesn't agree with you, but maybe if you get up to 200 times they may start listening.

It does hence NO FLAG thrown on the Tackle. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Of all the places I'd expect to see forrest gump, this isn't one of them.

 

 

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

yep like most thought because happens every week. So why doesn’t every week end up in a brawl?  Because other QBs don’t become unhinged 

It does hence NO FLAG thrown on the Tackle. 

 

Sometimes, I think you just post ridiculous takes for the hell of it.

 

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Of all the places I'd expect to see forrest gump, this isn't one of them.

 

 

 

Sometimes, I think you just post ridiculous takes for the hell of it.

 

even Lorenzo Alexander on WGR right now saying Rudolph should have been suspended as wel

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Mason Rudolph should get NOTHING

And why is that? Because he deserves sympathy?

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

yep like most thought because happens every week. So why doesn’t every week end up in a brawl?  Because other QBs don’t become unhinged 

It does hence NO FLAG thrown on the Tackle. 

 

I've watched football for 50 years and seen a whole lot of "brawls".  They happen all the time.

Players get flagged, fined and even ejected and suspended, both the instigator and the one who retaliated.

 

I never seen a thing like Garrett did.  

I got a friends retirement party to go to so...............have a good day!

[MJS]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Zero chance Tom Brady lays there and takes that play from Garrett.   Zero.  

My estimation is 100% chance he lays there and takes it. Somehow our maths don't agree.

[MAJBobby]

19 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Me too....except....not really.  There are some MAJor-league idiots on this board.

so show me where I have defended Garrett or said Garrett should get nothing?  I would love to see that. Do people understand English around here?

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

even Lorenzo Alexander on WGR right now saying Rudolph should have been suspended as wel

And he's the end all be all on this subject?

 

[r00tabaga]

47 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

They said in the statement that more could be coming. I doubt he gets away with this scot-free. 

Obviously we know who the wrong party is here but this was clearly elevated by his actions as well. In a lot of ways Rudolph instigated this whole thing.

I still can't believe that guy hit him on the head with a helmet. Like, that actually happened in real life!