McDermott Weds Presser: Sullivan asks whether Allen is an improvement over Tyrod

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

56 minutes ago, ngbills said:

 

 

 

2016 Tyrod

Did that graphic designer come from a galaxy far far away?

[Bruffalo]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

 

 

 

2016 Tyrod

 

 

Does this take in account for WR drops?  This could be pretty misleading if you don't consider the supporting cast.

 

Ultimately I think the comparison is almost completely meaningless regardless.

Edited November 14, 2019 by Bruffalo

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Did that graphic designer come from a galaxy far far away?

Great, thanks—now I can’t get a certain John Williams soundtrack out of my mind...

[Reed83HOF]

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

The Bills paid picks 12, 53 and 56 for Allen. Plus a fully guaranteed $21M contract over 4 years.  That’s a lot.  I am absolutely not saying that Tyrod should’ve been the answer, but don’t act like Allen didn’t cost a lot. 

 

That's $5.25M per year for Allen.  I believe in 2017 the Bills paid Tyrod $14.5M and if they had stuck with him in 2018 the cost would have been $16M.  So from a cost & cap standpoint Allen is costing the Bills about ONE THIRD what Tyrod would have cost them in 2018 & 2019.

 

The Bills decided to tear down the O and redirect the money to rebuilding the D.  Keeping Tyrod, to manage the game and with little future upside, at $16M per year didn't make sense when you could draft a rookie QB who would make $5M per year, likely be able to game manage and have the potential to get significantly better in the future.  It was a NO BRAINER.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

I still can't wrap my head around how stupid Sullivan's point is.  I would expect more thought from a drunk Bills fan at closing time. 

 

It's simple, in his first 20 starts Sullivan shows data indicating that Allen has roughly matched Tyrod's QB stats at about ONE THIRD the cost to the Bills!  That alone would make the move smart.  But with Allen we have a very real chance that he will get better, perhaps MUCH better.  With Tyrod what we had was what we could ever expect to have. 

 

And even a casual glance at the O-line, RB's, TE's & WR's Tyrod had to work with over his last 20 games compared to what Allen has had over his first 20 games would clearly show that Tyrod was working with a lot more. 

 

Allen may not get much better.  But the Bills are going to be smart and patient and give him at least a full 3 years (and IMO it should be 4 years) to match what they gave Tyrod.  If Allen doesn't work out they don't have to give him a new contract and they can let him go. 

 

IMO though at this time next year the obsession on 2BD will be if we're going to pay Allen what he's worth and that if we don't we might lose him.  And we'll find that worrying about that is just as bad as worrying about whether Allen is a bust who can't hit the deep ball.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mjt328]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

You're basically saying that the media will criticize bad QBs regardless of whether they are signed in FA, traded for, or drafted.  What do you expect them to say?  "Buffalo's got the 31st rated passer in the league, but good news...at least they spent a ton of draft capital on him."

 

I don't think anyone would have criticized the team if the FA they signed was Peyton Manning or if the QB they drafted was Pat Mahomes.

 

 

I'm saying that Jerry Sullivan shouted and screamed for the Bills to prioritize QB (and draft one in the Top 10), instead of relying on below-average vets.  

They did that.

 

Now we are in the middle of Josh Allen's second year, and Sullivan is comparing his statistics to a 7-year-vet -- and clearly suggesting our front office was dumb for taking him instead of sticking with Tyrod Taylor.  

 

If Sullivan wants to criticize the Allen pick after he's actually been in the NFL for 3-4 years, then fine.  Until then, he needs to shut his loud mouth and be patient like the rest of us.  He has no idea what Allen is going to turn out to be.  If he wants to criticize us for trading Taylor, he's being a massive hypocrite and flip-flopping on his position just for the sake of complaining.

 

[mjt328]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Have a look around the league.

These guys don't get forever.

 

As I mention every day around here, EJ Manuel was sized up, analyzed, and spit out in FOURTEEN GAMES.

 

That was it.

 

 

EJ Manuel lost his starting job after 14 games.

I absolutely agree this was too soon to bench him.  He needed to be given at least 3-4 seasons.

 

However, Manuel was also kept on the roster for two additional years to develop.  He was given the full opportunity to win the starting job prior to his third season, and lost out to Tyrod Taylor.  He was given two chances to start during that same season (due to Taylor's injury) and unfortunately looked terrible.

 

Regardless... Saying that Manuel didn't get a fair shake isn't a good reason to dump Allen as well.  You learn from previous mistakes.  Not by repeating them.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

54 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I yam what I yam!

[Reed83HOF]

8 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I yam what I yam!

I thought the same exact thing! 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

I thought the same exact thing! 

There have been at least a couple of pictures where ‘emotional Coach McD’ looks like Popeye.  Going back to his first season, I think someone gave him a sketched in cap and pipe.  Well blow me down!   Ack!  Ack!  Ack!  Ack! 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Did that graphic designer come from a galaxy far far away?

 

1 hour ago, Bruffalo said:

 

 

Does this take in account for WR drops?  This could be pretty misleading if you don't consider the supporting cast.

 

Ultimately I think the comparison is almost completely meaningless regardless.

 

...so you don't think comparing a guy with seven years experience in 48 games to a guy with 1 1/2 seasons and 21 games in fair?.....1 1/2 seasons and 21 games  is  criteria to define a "career" according to the "TBD Urban Dictionary".......

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

That's $5.25M per year for Allen.  I believe in 2017 the Bills paid Tyrod $14.5M and if they had stuck with him in 2018 the cost would have been $16M.  So from a cost & cap standpoint Allen is costing the Bills about ONE THIRD what Tyrod would have cost them in 2018 & 2019.

 

The Bills decided to tear down the O and redirect the money to rebuilding the D.  Keeping Tyrod, to manage the game and with little future upside, at $16M per year didn't make sense when you could draft a rookie QB who would make $5M per year, likely be able to game manage and have the potential to get significantly better in the future.  It was a NO BRAINER.

 

 

Again, I’m not saying we should’ve stuck with Tyrod. My main point is that we spent picks 12, 53 & 56 on Allen (in addition to the $21M for 4 years).  That is a huge investment and to ignore it and only look at salary is irresponsible (or intentionally misleading). 

[CincyBillsFan]

14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Again, I’m not saying we should’ve stuck with Tyrod. My main point is that we spent picks 12, 53 & 56 on Allen (in addition to the $21M for 4 years).  That is a huge investment and to ignore it and only look at salary is irresponsible (or intentionally misleading). 

 

That's not my definition of a "huge investment".  They had extra picks and traded a couple of them to move up and take Allen.  Had we NOT used those picks to move up and stayed pat we would most likely have taken the other Josh as in Josh Rosen.  How do you think that would have worked out? 

 

And before you say maybe the Bills trade down and take Jackson - Lamar would have failed in Buffalo because there is ZERO evidence that this organization would have adapted their O to fit Jackson's style.   And while Jackson benefited from a playoff caliber O line & TE group in Baltimore how do you think he does with the Bill's 2018 O line & TE's?

 

And money does matter.  Had Tyrod stayed, in 2018 & 2019 the Bills would have sank about $35M in their QB for TWO years.  They're paying Allen $21M for FOUR years.  That's a lot of extra money to pay FA's with.

 

 

 

 

[BarleyNY]

28 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

That's not my definition of a "huge investment".  They had extra picks and traded a couple of them to move up and take Allen.  Had we NOT used those picks to move up and stayed pat we would most likely have taken the other Josh as in Josh Rosen.  How do you think that would have worked out? 

 

And before you say maybe the Bills trade down and take Jackson - Lamar would have failed in Buffalo because there is ZERO evidence that this organization would have adapted their O to fit Jackson's style.   And while Jackson benefited from a playoff caliber O line & TE group in Baltimore how do you think he does with the Bill's 2018 O line & TE's?

 

And money does matter.  Had Tyrod stayed, in 2018 & 2019 the Bills would have sank about $35M in their QB for TWO years.  They're paying Allen $21M for FOUR years.  That's a lot of extra money to pay FA's with.

 

 

 

 

Wow, there are some massive reaches in that post.  It’s embarrassingly weak.  I stopped taking your post seriously after you wrote that using picks 12, 53 & 56 wasn’t a huge investment.

 

I didn’t bring up Jackson, but discounting whether he’d be successful or not here based on assuming that we wouldn’t tailor the offense to him is pathetic.  And then you immediately discounted Rosen here.  He looks like a total bust, but he’s been on the two worst teams of each of the last two years.  Why isn’t that due to HIS situation?  Why wouldn’t this have been a better situation for him?

 

Again, for maybe the fourth or fifth time, Tyrod wasn’t the only other choice.  I didn’t want to keep him around for $16M when the Browns were offering up the 65th pick.  What about players like Kirk Cousins or even Case Keenum?  Both were free agents and both have outplayed Allen by a wide margin.  Cousins has been very, very good and Keenum has been decent.

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Wow, there are some massive reaches in that post.  It’s embarrassingly weak.  I stopped taking your post seriously after you wrote that using picks 12, 53 & 56 wasn’t a huge investment.

 

I didn’t bring up Jackson, but discounting whether he’d be successful or not here based on assuming that we wouldn’t tailor the offense to him is pathetic.  And then you immediately discounted Rosen here.  He looks like a total bust, but he’s been on the two worst teams of each of the last two years.  Why isn’t that due to HIS situation?  Why wouldn’t this have been a better situation for him?

 

Again, for maybe the fourth or fifth time, Tyrod wasn’t the only other choice.  I didn’t want to keep him around for $16M when the Browns were offering up the 65th pick.  What about players like Kirk Cousins or even Case Keenum?  Both were free agents and both have outplayed Allen by a wide margin.  Cousins has been very, very good and Keenum has been decent.

 

What do you even mean by a "huge investment"?  They were draft picks.  Had the Bills done nothing then they would only have had the option of drafting Rosen at 12 as it's well known that Arizona was desperately trying to move up to take Allen.  

 

And the team Allen quarterbacked last year was every bit as bad on offense as the 2018 Arizona Cardinals were and this years Miami Dolphins are.  One of the reasons I'm optimistic about Allen is that he landed in just as bad a cluster frack on Offense as Rosen landed in and Allen made it work.   Rosen didn't at two different places.  Don't forget the Dolphins gave Rosen EVERY chance to hold that job and he didn't. 

 

And I can't believe that you actually think Jackson would have worked out here.  The worst thing any team could do to Jackson was to try to make him a pocket passer.  Baltimore deserves kudos for thinking out of the box and showing great imagination in their handling of Lamar.  There is no evidence that the Bills would have followed suit.  And even if they did the Bills didn't have the talent on the O-line and at TE to do what Baltimore did.

 

And do you really think the Bills were serious players to sign Cousins?  First, I doubt we were on Cousin's short list and second talk about HUGE INVESTMENTS!  As for case Keenum, are you kidding me!  I would much rather have Allen, who is still getting better, then Keenum.

 

 

 

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

Wow, there are some massive reaches in that post.  It’s embarrassingly weak.  I stopped taking your post seriously after you wrote that using picks 12, 53 & 56 wasn’t a huge investment.

 

I didn’t bring up Jackson, but discounting whether he’d be successful or not here based on assuming that we wouldn’t tailor the offense to him is pathetic.  And then you immediately discounted Rosen here.  He looks like a total bust, but he’s been on the two worst teams of each of the last two years.  Why isn’t that due to HIS situation?  Why wouldn’t this have been a better situation for him?

 

Again, for maybe the fourth or fifth time, Tyrod wasn’t the only other choice.  I didn’t want to keep him around for $16M when the Browns were offering up the 65th pick.  What about players like Kirk Cousins or even Case Keenum?  Both were free agents and both have outplayed Allen by a wide margin.  Cousins has been very, very good and Keenum has been decent.

We needed to free up that cap space so we could sign Trent Murphy, Star Lotulelie, and Vontae Davis.  When they brought in Dennison they sealed Taylor's fate.  People upset with Allen's progress now can you imagine if they had kept Dennison on? 

[Troll Toll]

I’m glad Jerry had the balls to ask that question. I hope Sean re-evaluates where they are as an offense. Invest in cheap talent, get cheap results. Maximize Josh’s potential by surrounding him with playmakers. IMO Josh is seriously handicapped by his supporting cast. Josh and Tre White are the only McBeane pickups that aren’t routinely invisible on Sundays.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

What do you even mean by a "huge investment"?  They were draft picks.  Had the Bills done nothing then they would only have had the option of drafting Rosen at 12 as it's well known that Arizona was desperately trying to move up to take Allen.  

 

And the team Allen quarterbacked last year was every bit as bad on offense as the 2018 Arizona Cardinals were and this years Miami Dolphins are.  One of the reasons I'm optimistic about Allen is that he landed in just as bad a cluster frack on Offense as Rosen landed in and Allen made it work.   Rosen didn't at two different places.  Don't forget the Dolphins gave Rosen EVERY chance to hold that job and he didn't. 

 

And I can't believe that you actually think Jackson would have worked out here.  The worst thing any team could do to Jackson was to try to make him a pocket passer.  Baltimore deserves kudos for thinking out of the box and showing great imagination in their handling of Lamar.  There is no evidence that the Bills would have followed suit.  And even if they did the Bills didn't have the talent on the O-line and at TE to do what Baltimore did.

 

And do you really think the Bills were serious players to sign Cousins?  First, I doubt we were on Cousin's short list and second talk about HUGE INVESTMENTS!  As for case Keenum, are you kidding me!  I would much rather have Allen, who is still getting better, then Keenum.

 

 

 

I am done here. This is just too dumb to even respond to and I only got halfway through it.  Have a good night. 

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

I’m glad Jerry had the balls to ask that question. I hope Sean re-evaluates where they are as an offense. Invest in cheap talent, get cheap results. Maximize Josh’s potential by surrounding him with playmakers. IMO Josh is seriously handicapped by his supporting cast. Josh and Tre White are the only McBeane pickups that aren’t routinely invisible on Sundays.

John Brown is one of the most consistent WRs in the league. He’s the only WR other than Michael Thomas to have at least 50 yards in every game this season. You think that is invisible? Jordan Phillips leads the league in sacks for a DT.  Devin Singletary is averaging 5.3 YPC. Tre Edmunds is a freak. None of these players are considered “routinely invisible”. Not sure your point resonates.

Edited November 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Locomark]

Hey look at me, I’m Jerry Sullivan and I haven’t written anything recently that

anyone cares about so let’s pull a full on Trump and say something provocative to get some press coverage !!! After all, I am one step better than Bucky Gleason !!  

[Locomark]

45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

John Brown is one of the most consistent WRs in the league. He’s the only WR other than Michael Thomas to have at least 50 yards in every game this season. You think that is invisible? Jordan Phillips leads the league in sacks for a DT.  Devin Singletary is averaging 5.3 YPC. Tre Edmunds is a freak. None of these players are considered “routinely invisible”. Not sure your point resonates.

You forgot to mention Star or Murphy or the bad draft picks of Oliver and the part time right tackle. How about resigning a kicker before his contract was due who hasn’t hit a 50 yarder all year. Beane has missed on as much as he has hit on. Missing on top picks is the way to the unemployment line IMO. Tre is still a question mark to me. I right now would not give him big money when his rookie deal is done. He doesn’t stop the run and isn’t physical enough to scare people from crossing the middle. 

[Thurman#1]

McDermott really did nail that.

 

Perfect answer.

12 hours ago, Dopey said:

I can picture jerry pondering all night long " how can I get coach to fumble an answer and make myself look smart". Comparing a player's first 20 games of his career to a 7 year vet and his last 20 games is the best he could do?!?! He just made a fool/ass of himself and didn't even realize it. He was dumb enough to tweet it out, like he accomplished his goal. Idiot. Stuff like that usually comes from the cesspool called New York City media. I was going to say " jerry, you're better than this. Then I thought more about it and...no he's not.

 

 

Seemed like a good question to me. Very reasonable to notice the similarity and point it out and question what's happening.

 

Folks on here seem to think Sully is desperately trying to get McDermott in some kind of trouble here. I think he was just pointing out something interesting and looking for McDermott's POV.

 

If Allen keeps playing at this level and doesn't improve, this will look like a brilliant question. If Allen improves a lot, it will not even be remembered. Right now, it's an interesting juxtaposition.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

The Bills paid picks 12, 53 and 56 for Allen. Plus a fully guaranteed $21M contract over 4 years.  That’s a lot.  I am absolutely not saying that Tyrod should’ve been the answer, but don’t act like Allen didn’t cost a lot. 

 

 

Picks don't count against the salary cap, and that's what is being talked about there.

[Bakin]

On 11/13/2019 at 12:39 PM, ngbills said:

What is missed in this whole identical stats things...

 

Allen - 19 Int's and 19 Fumbles

Taylor - 8 Int's and 12 Fumbles

 

 

Allen has lost 5 Fumbles. 

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, syhuang said:

while we are on Tyrod Taylor train......

 

 

 

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https://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/mind-blown-tyrod-taylor-and-lamar-jackson-are-practically-identical-through-their-first-16-starts#scrollToComments

 

Tyrod:

 

 

Lamar:

 

 

Obviously more yards and tuddies from Lamar but over double the attempts. Y/A is within a 2% margin and objectively Lamar has much, MUCH more talent around him on the ground which makes it even more preposterous. Really think about how much Lamar ball washing is going on right now vs. how fast Tyrod gets run out of places vs. how ***** impossible it would be to lump these two together through their first 16 starts. 

 

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It's kind of an interesting comparison.

 

Difference being Lamar has improved a ton from last year to this year, whereas Tyrod's best games were the first seven of his starting career, before people figured him out.

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Picks don't count against the salary cap, and that's what is being talked about there.

That’s weak af.  Seriously this has gone off the rails.  Those picks would be used on players that would be on 3 rookie deals and could replace veterans making veteran salaries.  There’s actually a calculation for what picks are worth in cap dollars.  Or maybe we could just consider the extra wins three more quality players could lead us to.  Wow.

Edited November 15, 2019 by BarleyNY

[Thurman#1]

7 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Allen has lost 5 Fumbles. 

 

 

How many you lose is down to pure luck. It's not a positive argument that he's lost less than half. Just means he's been lucky.

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

That’s weak af.  Seriously this has gone off the rails.  Those picks would be used on players that would be on 3 rookie deals and could replace veterans making veteran salaries.  There’s actually a calculation for what picks are worth in cap dollars.  Or maybe we could just consider the extra wins three more quality players could lead us to.  Wow.

 

 

Yes, there's a talk to be had. No, that's not the conversation going on here.

 

If you want to talk about it, fine, there are places for that, but it has nothing to do with the salary cap, which is what's being talked about in the post you replied to.

[BarleyNY]

9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

Yes, there's a talk to be had. No, that's not the conversation going on here.

 

If you want to talk about it, fine, there are places for that, but it has nothing to do with the salary cap, which is what's being talked about in the post you replied to.

Draft picks have a lot to do with the salary cap.  It’s idiotic to look at something like the salary cap in a vacuum, but you are welcome to do that if you want.  It’s meaningless in that context, but knock yourself out.  Meanwhile I’m here for reasonable discussions for those who are interested. 

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

We needed to free up that cap space so we could sign Trent Murphy, Star Lotulelie, and Vontae Davis.  When they brought in Dennison they sealed Taylor's fate.  People upset with Allen's progress now can you imagine if they had kept Dennison on? 

 

 

Yeah, great point about Vontae. The guy cost us virtually nothing and was playing decent before he decided to quit.

 

And yeah, Lotulelei is the  #1 NT and Trent Murphy is a DE on a defense that is #3 in the league in both scoring and yards. So good point that we got something for the money.

 

Taylor's fate was sealed from the beginning. Hasn't exactly exploded now that he's out from under the dreaded Dennison, has he? Dennison had nothing to do with the fact that Tyrod played like Tyrod. He had a great first seven games, then they played NE and Belichick figured him out. From that point on his stats stayed pretty much the same for the rest of his time here. Yeah, in his third year they brought in Dennison. But Tyrod played just the same.

 

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Draft picks have a lot to do with the salary cap.  It’s idiotic to look at something like the salary cap in a vacuum, but you are welcome to do that if you want.  It’s meaningless in that context, but knock yourself out.  Meanwhile I’m here for reasonable discussions for those who are interested. 

 

 

Yeah, draft picks have a lot to do with salary cap. Boys have a lot to do with girls too, but when you're talking about boys and someone hijacks the conversation to talk about girls, he's just being annoying.

 

You came in saying, 

 

12 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

... but don’t act like Allen didn’t cost a lot. 

 

And that is a pure straw man. He hadn't said or acted like Allen didn't cost a lot to get.

 

 

15 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

No, the whole point of the post was even if Tyrod=Josh, the Bills are paying a lot less for Josh than they would have paid Tyrod.  

 

He's clearly talking about the cap, and you are clearly pretending he said something he didn't.

 

He didn't say or imply anything about the cost of acquiring him.

Edited November 15, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Bakin]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

How many you lose is down to pure luck. It's not a positive argument that he's lost less than half. Just means he's been lucky.

 

 

Yes, there's a talk to be had. No, that's not the conversation going on here.

 

If you want to talk about it, fine, there are places for that, but it has nothing to do with the salary cap, which is what's being talked about in the post you replied to.

Oh is that what that means. Oh aha ok. 

[Dopey]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, great point about Vontae. The guy cost us virtually nothing and was playing decent before he decided to quit.

 

And yeah, Lotulelei is the  #1 NT and Trent Murphy is a DE on a defense that is #3 in the league in both scoring and yards. So good point that we got something for the money.

 

Taylor's fate was sealed from the beginning. Hasn't exactly exploded now that he's out from under the dreaded Dennison, has he? Dennison had nothing to do with the fact that Tyrod played like Tyrod. He had a great first seven games, then they played NE and Belichick figured him out. From that point on his stats stayed pretty much the same for the rest of his time here. Yeah, in his third year they brought in Dennison. But Tyrod played just the same.

 

 

 

Yeah, draft picks have a lot to do with salary cap. Boys have a lot to do with girls too, but when you're talking about boys and someone hijacks the conversation to talk about girls, he's just being annoying.

 

You came in saying, 

 

 

And that is a pure straw man. He hadn't said or acted like Allen didn't cost a lot to get.

 

 

 

He's clearly talking about the cap, and you are clearly pretending he said something he didn't.

 

He didn't say or imply anything about the cost of acquiring him.

And part of last year's highly rated defense. But hey, whupping boys are needed each year, don'tcha know?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

Allen is a improvement over Tyrod. 

 

Had a dream last night Bill's traded Allen to Patriots for first round pick. Said news at 6. Woke up fast LOL.

[Moulds 808080]

Allen is an improvement over Tyrod and he is only in year two. We will see him get better with time and a better O line.

[YoloinOhio]

10 hours ago, Locomark said:

You forgot to mention Star or Murphy or the bad draft picks of Oliver and the part time right tackle. How about resigning a kicker before his contract was due who hasn’t hit a 50 yarder all year. Beane has missed on as much as he has hit on. Missing on top picks is the way to the unemployment line IMO. Tre is still a question mark to me. I right now would not give him big money when his rookie deal is done. He doesn’t stop the run and isn’t physical enough to scare people from crossing the middle. 

Why would I mention them? I was responding to your comment that there is only one player on the team who isn’t “routinely invisible”

[HOUSE]

Why would McDermott marry the presser ? I need to know?

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

How long was Tyrod in the NFL before he got his 20 starts, and how long was Allen in the NFL before he got his 20 starts.  People love to nit pick to push their agendas while ignoring some facts.  The fact is Tyrod was in the NFL for 3-4 years learning behind Flacco before he got his chance and did not out perform a rookie in his first 20 starts. Why are they not bringing this up?

[BuffaloHokie13]

11 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

How long was Tyrod in the NFL before he got his 20 starts, and how long was Allen in the NFL before he got his 20 starts.  People love to nit pick to push their agendas while ignoring some facts.  The fact is Tyrod was in the NFL for 3-4 years learning behind Flacco before he got his chance and did not out perform a rookie in his first 20 starts. Why are they not bringing this up?

They aren't even talking about Tyrod's first 20 starts. They're talking about his last 20....

[CircleTheWagons99]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

They aren't even talking about Tyrod's first 20 starts. They're talking about his last 20....

My apologizes, I read that wrong.  But doesn't that further support my argument?

[Z-Mann]

People keep throwing smoke bombs left and right...how Tyrod was a vet and Allen is not, how the comparison is Tyrod's last 20 versus Allen's first 20...while all of that is not wrong, it's also missing the point.  

 

If we take the bank of 20 games that Tyrod had, and we can come to the conclusion that it "wasn't good enough" or "not a good QB", and compare those to the bank of 20 games that Allen has, logically we have to draw the same conclusion...that RIGHT NOW Allen is not good enough, and that he is a far below average QB.

 

That doesn't mean that Allen can't improve, that doesn't mean that Allen may have not hit his ceiling yet in those 20 games and Tyrod had...just means that in the past 20 games, Allen has not played well and we need MORE from him.  We hope that comes with more experience, but right now he's not good enough...

Edited November 15, 2019 by Z-Mann