Phil The Thrill Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Say what you will, but Sully isn’t scared to ask the tough questions. He holds teams accountable. Glad to see him back on the beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: What’s more frustrating, watching our bad offense or answering questions about it? Our bad O, all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen needs to play better than he played on Sunday, but to compare how he played to Tyrod's play is IMO (having watched Sunday's film, and watched Tyrod) mistaken. Allen did a lot of things on Sunday that I never saw Tyrod do. Allen also didn't do some things Sunday that he needs to do. He also had passes hit guys in the hands and get dropped or knocked away, and that has to change too. But he also did lots of things Tyrod did (bailing pockets, holding the ball and failing to see open guys). When he threw it he was generally pretty accurate (deep ball excepted) which was also a Tyrod trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen needs to play better than he played on Sunday, but to compare how he played to Tyrod's play is IMO (having watched Sunday's film, and watched Tyrod) mistaken. Allen did a lot of things on Sunday that I never saw Tyrod do. Allen also didn't do some things Sunday that he needs to do. He also had passes hit guys in the hands and get dropped or knocked away, and that has to change too. For two years Tyrod led an offense that scored like the coaches and fans want to see. That's something I haven't seen Allen do, but I'd like to see it. Let's have a season of 24 ppg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: ...let's just leave aside the fact that you lumped the two years together without looking at how they improved (or didn't), respectively. Because who has time for all that context nonsense. Does the fact that in 9 less games Young threw ELEVEN more picks and only ONE more TD than Allen mean anything to you, at all? What are you talking about? It's 21 games for Allen & 30 games for Young. Their per game averages in their first 2 seasons are very similar, as was their style of play when both came into the league. Young got a pass early on because all he did was win games (and won ROY). Edited November 13, 2019 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Clutch factor - Tyrod did win some games. One difference I think people miss is those clutch games were Tyrod did not win were against good teams. Tyrod could be clutch like Allen against bad teams. Lets see Allen clutch against the good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: What are you talking about? It's 21 games for Allen & 30 games for Young. Their per game averages in their first 2 seasons are very similar, as was their style of play when both came into the league. Young got a pass early on because all he did was win games. This is so bad bro. Just awful take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said: Wow, Jerry's pertinent question got a lot of TBD panties in a wad. Well, you'd know, Bucky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: This is so bad bro. Just awful take. Almost identical in their first 2 seasons. Edited November 13, 2019 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, GG said: Almost identical in their first 2 seasons. Yeah, your take is non-homer so it's "awful". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, FiftyPercent said: Yeah, your take is non-homer so it's "awful". Well Young was a Bill, so it is a homer take too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, GG said: Almost identical in their first 2 seasons. One BIG difference: Wonderlic scores Vince Young: 6 Josh Allen: 37 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said: Wow, Jerry's pertinent question got a lot of TBD panties in a wad. There's not a sane coach in the league that would make negative comparisons of current players to former players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But he also did lots of things Tyrod did (bailing pockets, holding the ball and failing to see open guys). When he threw it he was generally pretty accurate (deep ball excepted) which was also a Tyrod trait. People forget, Taylor threw a great deep ball until they got rid of Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, and Hogan. Allen threw a great deep ball also (last year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Maine-iac said: People forget, Taylor threw a great deep ball until they got rid of Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, and Hogan. Allen threw a great deep ball also (last year). no he didn’t. He connected on like 2 or 3 deep passes all season long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: People forget, Taylor threw a great deep ball until they got rid of Watkins, Woods, Goodwin, and Hogan. Allen threw a great deep ball also (last year). Taylor threw a great deep ball whenever defenders fell down and receivers were ridiculously wide open. His highlight, however, was being part of a trade that landed us a 3rd round pick. Now THAT was some fine work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: no he didn’t. He connected on like 2 or 3 deep passes all season long Your are so wrong I didn't even feel like answering but I am ............... just to say you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Questionable Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, london_bills said: Genuine question: how football smart do people think Allen is? Has he developed his reading of defenses? I think he's pretty football smart and he's not a dumb individual. He hasn't by any means mastered reading a defense, he still looks tentative at times in the pocket, like he's unsure. Other times he does not. That's expected at this point. My main concern for him is accuracy. It was the biggest question coming out of college. Can he deliver the ball accurately to receivers? When I say accurately, I mean hitting guys in stride with good ball placement for YAC. At the end of the day that is what racks up yards and leads to big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, MJS said: There's not a sane coach in the league that would make negative comparisons of current players to former players. McDermott tore down a team and rebuilt it in such a manner that allows these questions to even be asked, he should step up to the plate and answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: Your are so wrong I didn't even feel like answering but I am ............... just to say you are wrong. Im talking about Allen. Fairburn wrote an article about his long ball. Said he was like 3 for 30 in passes over 30 yards. You sir, are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 You guys told me Jerry was gone so somebody lied here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Lurker said: One BIG difference: Wonderlic scores Vince Young: 6 Josh Allen: 37 There may be another difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Phil The Thrill said: Im talking about Allen. Fairburn wrote an article about his long ball. Said he was like 3 for 30 in passes over 30 yards. You sir, are wrong. Thought you were talking about Taylor. My apologies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 51 minutes ago, GG said: No matter how much disdain you show for what the average fan sees, at the end of the day, bad players can't outrun their critics. The conversations surrounding Allen are very similar to EJ, who also had a promising start. For three years a large subset of this fanbase desperately tried to convince themselves that TT was NFL starter material. Now if you even attempt to draw a comparison between the two, it provokes quite the reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, GG said: Almost identical in their first 2 seasons. OK just so we're crystal- you think Vince Young is a good comparison for Josh Allen? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, MJS said: There's not a sane coach in the league that would make negative comparisons of current players to former players. So what? You know that a journalists job is not to lob softballs in pressers, right? 7 minutes ago, GG said: There may be another difference. Not the race card GG! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: OK just so we're crystal- you think Vince Young is a good comparison for Josh Allen? imagine that comparing a division 1 national champion MVP, Rookie of the year to a project from Wyoming after the first 20 games in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: But he also did lots of things Tyrod did (bailing pockets, holding the ball and failing to see open guys). When he threw it he was generally pretty accurate (deep ball excepted) which was also a Tyrod trait. Oh really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTNqwZ5gkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrwEpKYHWk I'm still waiting for Josh to throw one pass like any of these. Or this for that matter: Edited November 13, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Questionable said: A lot of hate here for people who buck the status quo. Revoke press passes? Punch him in the mouth? All because he's pointing out the obvious? He's your pick McDermott. At some point you are going to need to own up to his bad play and people want to hear more of an answer than its the process, or the mind growth set. The Mind Growth Set? Is that like, when The Brain (from Pinky & The Brain) joins Dipset? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, GG said: imagine that comparing a division 1 national champion MVP, Rookie of the year to a project from Wyoming after the first 20 games in the NFL. You just dodged the question. I'm asking you simply to confirm what you wrote a couple pages back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Oh really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTNqwZ5gkY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzrwEpKYHWk I'm still waiting for Josh to throw one pass like any of these. you've got to be the biggest tuhrod homer on the board. Edited November 13, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: You just dodged the question. I'm asking you simply to confirm what you wrote a couple pages back. I think it’s obvious at this point that there isn’t much difference between Allen’s career trajectory and the others of young QB’s who have fizzled out. You can hope that things change, but I wouldn’t be putting money on Allen becoming a franchise cornerstone right now, and I question the judgement of anyone who would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) I don’t understand the whining. It’s a fair question. Thought police is out strong today. Edited November 13, 2019 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Allen Clutch Factor 2018 Ten - He threw for 82 yds total this game. Gets credit for clutch but this was a win despite him. He had 2 short passes on game winning drive, they ran the ball most of the drive. 2018 Det - Battle of bad teams out of the race. Bills took lead with 10 min left nand counts as comeback win... 2019 - NYJ, CIN, MIA = Three of the worst teams in years. Only reason needed comeback wins was because Allen played bad. Again, this clutch factor is so over hyped. For one they have been against bad teams that our less likely to hold up and win a game. For another it should never require a comeback in the first place if he played better. These are not 38-35 comeback wins in a shootout vs Brady. These are 17-16 wins vs awful teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, Gugny said: Taylor threw a great deep ball whenever defenders fell down and receivers were ridiculously wide open. His highlight, however, was being part of a trade that landed us a 3rd round pick. Now THAT was some fine work. ...his "deep ball" was a 6 yard out....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: I think it’s obvious at this point that there isn’t much difference between Allen’s career trajectory and the others of young QB’s who have fizzled out. You can hope that things change, but I wouldn’t be putting money on Allen becoming a franchise cornerstone right now, and I question the judgement of anyone who would. In Vince Young's first year he threw 12 TDs and 13 INTs. In his second year he threw 9 TDs and 17 INTs. Please explain how there isn't much difference in trajectory between that and Allen currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you've got to be the biggest tuhrod homer on the board. I liked Hotrod I admit it. I stand corrected. Thanks for sharing. They were so long ago I must have forgotten. The Zay Jones one was horribly under thrown and Zay made a nice adjustment on it. But it still counts. Go BILLS !! Edited November 13, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: you've got to be the biggest turod homer on the board. Seriously? Neither of those are close to showing the ability to hit the deep pass. A broken play where a guy gets open and you huck it down there. Guy is standing and waits for it. The crossing play is better at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 JS needs a two week ban, jmo Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: In Vince Young's first year he threw 12 TDs and 13 INTs. In his second year he threw 9 TDs and 17 INTs. Please explain how there isn't much difference in trajectory between that and Allen currently. I thought playing the “LOL STATS” game was stupid. Didn’t you say that two pages ago? i guess when the goal is to defend a mediocre QB whose contemporaries make him look like a failure, anything is fair game as ammunition if it suits your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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