Josh Allen - week TEN report card

[Hebert19]

35 minutes ago, dubs said:

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he didn’t play well by most standards.  260 yards on 41 pass attempts, zero TDs, 14 total points on offense. That’s not good. 

0 turnovers and 2 rushing TDs.  Those dont count???  

 

He once again put us in position to tie or win the game.  He made throws when it counted.  You guys need a new talk track. 

[Reed83HOF]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Blame Daboll.

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[WideNine]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Overall, no he didn’t but even the praise-chary McDermott noted that Allen did some good things in the game, including some good throws he wouldn’t have made last year.

 

Where I thought he took a step back today was his passes on the move where I felt that he had been excelling at his ball placement.

 

Allen has me baffled at times particularly when he makes some of the easier passes look hard - like the 8-10 yd drag routes. But I think it all comes down to someone whose muscle-memory has been trained to throw heaters to a spot vs dropping passes with anticipation in front of his moving target. I have seen him throw some beautiful deep ones down the sideline last year that were in and out of the hands of his receiver so I don't know if he is over-thinking the mechanics right now, but it's not there.

 

I have seen some improvement with a variety of Allen's passes and folks can agree to disagree, and I think because of his arm strength the passes Allen struggles to make makes sense as they are things I would expect him to struggle with. So this is where I think he is at: Come-back routes - money, receiver finding a spot and sitting in a zone - money, deep outs where he is throwing it outside a hash on a timing route - pretty good to very good if receivers can hang on, slants and posts - getting better, throwing a running receiver open on a drag or go route - long way to go still.

 

And I think the reason our screens are not working is because defenses are playing disciplined trying to keep Allen in the pocket, that means that they are not going to run up the field with abandon. The ends stay home and they can easily sniff those out - they may not ever work very well for us.

 

 

 

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[Buffbills123]

If play designs are resulting in WRs wide open for game-changing touchdowns and your QB can’t hit it, that’s not on the OC.  In fact, the OC should be praised. 

 

I’ve seen this before.  First the OC gets blamed, until the kool aid drinkers realize it was the QB all along.  

 

JA is going to be a bust. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

If play designs are resulting in WRs wide open for game-changing touchdowns and your QB can’t hit it, that’s not on the OC.  In fact, the OC should be praised. 

 

I’ve seen this before.  First the OC gets blamed, until the kool aid drinkers realize it was the QB all along.  

 

JA is going to be a bust. 

 

He may be a bust.  But if what you need is 4 yards to move the chains and you go for a deep bomb, that’s a Bad Decision by someone.

The reason the WCO and EP systems gained popularity over the vertical passing systems is because the long deep passes have always been low percentage throws - for every QB

[Meatloaf63]

24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Blame Daboll.

We should, horrible play design for 3rd & 4 when you knew they would bring pressure. Daboll, absolutely 0 situational awareness...And why isn’t a Brown breaking off that route when they are rushing 7? Plenty of blame to go around here...

Edited November 11, 2019 by Meatloaf63

[Chris66]

2 minutes ago, Buffbills123 said:

If play designs are resulting in WRs wide open for game-changing touchdowns and your QB can’t hit it, that’s not on the OC.  In fact, the OC should be praised. 

 

I’ve seen this before.  First the OC gets blamed, until the kool aid drinkers realize it was the QB all along.  

 

JA is going to be a bust. 

Bern like that for 15 years. Blame the coaching. Then when you get new coaches. The first thing they do is turn over the roster. Then the story becomes how were we expected to win without talent

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Chris66 said:

Bern like that for 15 years. Blame the coaching. Then when you get new coaches. The first thing they do is turn over the roster. Then the story becomes how were we expected to win without talent

 

Um, let’s be straight, there is no “we” here.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

34 minutes ago, unclepete said:

He doesn’t throw with accuracy or anticipation. Most of his passes are to receivers curling into pockets in the defense. His passes are often out of position.  

 

Sometimes that's by design. I throw to ur back shoulder so you turn ur body away from contact or a possible INT.

[Buffbills123]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

He may be a bust.  But if what you need is 4 yards to move the chains and you go for a deep bomb, that’s a Bad Decision by someone.

The reason the WCO and EP systems gained popularity over the vertical passing systems is because the long deep passes have always been low percentage throws - for every QB

 

Mckenzie was wide open.  It was a great decision.  What am I missing?

[Chris66]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Um, let’s be straight, there is no “we” here.

No there definitely isnt. The we was refferring to the majority of the board. Still doesnt change the wash rinse repeat of the blame the coaching staff routinely gets

[Maine-iac]

I can't be the only one who sees the irony that  3/4 of this board used to piss and moan that we didn't throw the ball enough as we led the league in rushing and scored roughly 24/25 points a game.  Now we still have a QB who's probably more of a scoring threat running than passing and average under 20 points a game.   I still think Allen will get better.  I thought the problem then was horrible pass catchers  and  no defense and the problem now is mediocre OL talent and growing pains at QB.  Hauscka choking in all the close games (NE and CLV) isn't helping.

[Maine-iac]

30 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

In action
 

 

 

 

 

This whole thing basically shows that it was a great play call but the pass was tipped.  Is that what you were trying to say?

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

I can't be the only one who sees the irony that  3/4 of this board used to piss and moan that we didn't throw the ball enough as we led the league in rushing and scored roughly 24/25 points a game.  Now we still have a QB who's probably more of a scoring threat running than passing and average under 20 points a game.   I still think Allen will get better.  I thought the problem then was horrible pass catchers  and  no defense and the problem now is mediocre OL talent and growing pains at QB.  Hauscka choking in all the close games (NE and CLV) isn't helping.

The problem with those offenses is we were mostly one dimensional. We couldn’t pass when we needed to. Our running game had to carry us on a weekly basis and it’s why Tyrod was shipped out of here. 

[brianthomas]

The deep ball throws are frustrating on all sorts of levels. But its almost as if he's afraid to throw a catchable ball downfield.

This season its got to be pretty darn close to every deep throw of 35 yards or more where he overthrows the WR by 5+ yards.

Once or twice i'd say he was just over excited or misjudged it. But he misses by too much far too often for it not to be something systemically wrong he's doing with those throws.

Only thing that makes sense is that he's too concerned about throwing a pick or something. And thats either from coaching or just whats going on inside his head.

 

But yes, we could use another wr like we could use upgrades at other positions too. And Daboll hasn't been perfect either, but truth is there are wr's open all the time that Allen just doesn't see or he chooses not to throw to. So i'm not one to blame the scheme or Daboll. Its just a matter of dealing with the growing pains with the rawest QB from his draft thats still learning. Even with all that, Allen still put us in a position to win the game & with that, there's still hope.

 

I'm not ready to call him a bust or anything like that yet

[BuffaloBaumer]

Exactly what the hell is he good at? Running? If that's all they saw in scouting, then why wouldn't they have taken Lamar? None of it makes sense....

[Bob in STL]

B- for the Browns game?  No way. 

 

It is time to stop looking at only at stats and give Josh the eye test.

 

For today:

 

Deep ball - F  (not close, not one ball within a foot of a receiver)

Medium range passes - F (no completions over 20 yards today)

Short passing - C

Overall accuracy - D.  I don't care if he completes 60% of his passes when the receiver continually has to stop his route and adjust to catch the ball.  There were drops but most of the time the receiver is forced to adjust, think about the sideline, or think about not getting killed because Josh's passes are off target.  He simply does not hit the receiver in stride enough.  So while his accuracy as a function of completion percentage is good, but when you look at the throws he makes, and the ones he misses, you can see an accuracy problem.  It is obvious. 

 

Decision making - C+ .  He did some good things sometimes.  Made some key runs, and did not throw any picks.

 

Pocket Presence - D.  He is blitzed a lot because he shows he cannot read a blitz and react.   Read the blitz and hit the hot receiver quickly, make them pay.  There is still too much running around and too little stepping up in the pocket and letting the ball go.  He is still not adept at making a defense pay for blitzing by a quick read and react --- instead he can sometimes generate a broken play scramble were he uses his incredible athletic gifts to make a play.  There is a controlled way to handle blitzes and at some point he needs to learn this and make the game a bit easier.   

 

Ball protection - D.  another fumble that could have killed a drive. 

 

Running - B  Best part of his game.  He should run more designed plays and less improvised plays.  He plays better overall, when he makes plays with his feet.  It gets him flowing better. 

 

Two minute drill  F - abysmal use of sideline, and time management.  Never has two plays ready back to back.  Never works from no huddle with at the line play calls   (This criticism could be more on DaBoll ). 

 

Overall = D  Given his performance today, and that of the offense in general, we could have only won  today with great defense, good special teams, and some turnovers.  We got very good defense, poor kicking, and no turnovers so we fell short. 

 

Note:  I am a Josh Allen fan, and I am pulling for him.  I just am seeing him more clearly after a full season of games over the past two seasons.  He still has a lot to learn, and he needs more help from the coaches and better players around him. 

 

 

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 hours ago, MDH said:

Throwing the deep ball short of the WR has a good shot at getting the pass interference call or your WR making a play. Throwing it 5-10 yards in front is just a long throw away.

 

Give your f’n WRs a chance to make a play. It’s so infuriating.

It doesn’t matter if you have a bazooka for an arm if there’s no targeting system.

This, a big arm means nothing if you can not throw accurately, and Josh has not thrown accurately all year with the deep pass

10 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

B- for the Browns game?  No way. 

 

It is time to stop looking at only at stats and give Josh the eye test.

 

For today:

 

Deep ball - F  (not close, not one ball within a foot of a receiver)

Medium range passes - F (no completions over 20 yards today)

Short passing - C

Overall accuracy - D.  I don't care if he completes 60% of his passes when the receiver continually has to stop his route and adjust to catch the ball.  There were drops but most of the time the receiver is forced to adjust, think about the sideline, or think about not getting killed because Josh's passes are off target.  He simply does not hit the receiver in stride enough.  So while his accuracy as a function of completion percentage is good, but when you look at the throws he makes, and the ones he misses, you can see an accuracy problem.  It is obvious. 

 

Decision making - C+ .  He did some good things sometimes.  Made some key runs, and did not throw any picks.

 

Pocket Presence - D.  He is blitzed a lot because he shows he cannot read a blitz and react.   Read the blitz and hit the hot receiver quickly, make them pay.  There is still too much running around and too little stepping up in the pocket and letting the ball go.  He is still not adept at making a defense pay for blitzing by a quick read and react --- instead he can sometimes generate a broken play scramble were he uses his incredible athletic gifts to make a play.  There is a controlled way to handle blitzes and at some point he needs to learn this and make the game a bit easier.   

 

Ball protection - D.  another fumble that could have killed a drive. 

 

Running - B  Best part of his game.  He should run more designed plays and less improvised plays.  He plays better overall, when he makes plays with his feet.  It gets him flowing better. 

 

Two minute drill  F - abysmal use of sideline, and time management.  Never has two plays ready back to back.  Never works from no huddle with at the line play calls   (This criticism could be more on DaBoll ). 

 

Overall = D  Given his performance today, and that of the offense in general, we could have only won  today with great defense, good special teams, and some turnovers.  We got very good defense, poor kicking, and no turnovers so we fell short. 

 

Note:  I am a Josh Allen fan, and I am pulling for him.  I just am seeing him more clearly after a full season of games over the past two seasons.  He still has a lot to learn, and he needs more help from the coaches and better players around him. 

 

 

I'm with you. D grade.looked pretty bad to me.  If you cant accurately hit a reciever deep from time time it's a problem, much less the bad short throws

[Reed83HOF]

 

[billybob71]

the NFL this year is roughly 10% good teams, 10% bad teams, and 80% very mediocre teams who are hard to watch most of the time and quite inconsistent. The Bills right now are squarely in the 80% 

[zow2]

Our guy is going to go 0 for the season on bombs. I’m sure it keeps Josh up at night.  Can’t reiterate it enough. Have him watch endless reels of Russell Wilson bombs and notice how he throws super high Trajectory and allows his guys to run under them.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

D

I still don't think he sees the field that well. Beasley was wide open for the 1st down when he threw it long. And last week he missed Kroft open for a TD

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

23 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

B- for the Browns game?  No way. 

 

It is time to stop looking at only at stats and give Josh the eye test.

 

For today:

 

Deep ball - F  (not close, not one ball within a foot of a receiver)

Medium range passes - F (no completions over 20 yards today)

Short passing - C

Overall accuracy - D.  I don't care if he completes 60% of his passes when the receiver continually has to stop his route and adjust to catch the ball.  There were drops but most of the time the receiver is forced to adjust, think about the sideline, or think about not getting killed because Josh's passes are off target.  He simply does not hit the receiver in stride enough.  So while his accuracy as a function of completion percentage is good, but when you look at the throws he makes, and the ones he misses, you can see an accuracy problem.  It is obvious. 

 

Decision making - C+ .  He did some good things sometimes.  Made some key runs, and did not throw any picks.

 

Pocket Presence - D.  He is blitzed a lot because he shows he cannot read a blitz and react.   Read the blitz and hit the hot receiver quickly, make them pay.  There is still too much running around and too little stepping up in the pocket and letting the ball go.  He is still not adept at making a defense pay for blitzing by a quick read and react --- instead he can sometimes generate a broken play scramble were he uses his incredible athletic gifts to make a play.  There is a controlled way to handle blitzes and at some point he needs to learn this and make the game a bit easier.   

 

Ball protection - D.  another fumble that could have killed a drive. 

 

Running - B  Best part of his game.  He should run more designed plays and less improvised plays.  He plays better overall, when he makes plays with his feet.  It gets him flowing better. 

 

Two minute drill  F - abysmal use of sideline, and time management.  Never has two plays ready back to back.  Never works from no huddle with at the line play calls   (This criticism could be more on DaBoll ). 

 

Overall = D  Given his performance today, and that of the offense in general, we could have only won  today with great defense, good special teams, and some turnovers.  We got very good defense, poor kicking, and no turnovers so we fell short. 

 

Note:  I am a Josh Allen fan, and I am pulling for him.  I just am seeing him more clearly after a full season of games over the past two seasons.  He still has a lot to learn, and he needs more help from the coaches and better players around him. 

 

 

You might want to check the accuracy of your medium passes because I'm sure that's not correct.

[Reed83HOF]

33 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

This whole thing basically shows that it was a great play call but the pass was tipped.  Is that what you were trying to say?

The 1st down play could have been a TD if it wasn't tipped. The top one, apparently from what John Brown said, it was pre-determined the ball was coming to him on the third down play; which sucks because Cole was wide open...

[billybob71]

6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

that is hard to watch, Beasley wide open 

[Solomon Grundy]

33 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

The deep ball throws are frustrating on all sorts of levels. But its almost as if he's afraid to throw a catchable ball downfield.

This season its got to be pretty darn close to every deep throw of 35 yards or more where he overthrows the WR by 5+ yards.

Once or twice i'd say he was just over excited or misjudged it. But he misses by too much far too often for it not to be something systemically wrong he's doing with those throws.

Only thing that makes sense is that he's too concerned about throwing a pick or something. And thats either from coaching or just whats going on inside his head.

 

But yes, we could use another wr like we could use upgrades at other positions too. And Daboll hasn't been perfect either, but truth is there are wr's open all the time that Allen just doesn't see or he chooses not to throw to. So i'm not one to blame the scheme or Daboll. Its just a matter of dealing with the growing pains with the rawest QB from his draft thats still learning. Even with all that, Allen still put us in a position to win the game & with that, there's still hope.

 

I'm not ready to call him a bust or anything like that yet

He's not giving receivers a chance to make a play on the ball. What good is having a cannon if you can't hit the wall?

2 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You might want to check the accuracy of your medium passes because I'm sure that's not correct.

Everything else seems right on point though 

[34-78-83]

3 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

that is hard to watch, Beasley wide open 

Thats a complete pass to Brown's back shoulder if read right by JB

They've hooked up on 2 of these this season prior.

Beasely was open true but which # read was he? Neither of us know.

[Reed83HOF]

13 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

Just now, 34-78-83 said:

Thats a complete pass to Brown's back shoulder if read right by JB

They've hooked up on 2 of these this season prior.

Beasely was open true but which # read was he? Neither of us know.

see above

[billybob71]

Just now, 34-78-83 said:

Thats a complete pass to Brown's back shoulder if read right by JB

They've hooked up on 2 of these this season prior.

Beasely was open true but which # read was he? Neither of us know.

thats true and DE comes unblocked off the edge so JA isnt making it to his 2nd read anyway. I just would have liked to see a higher percentage pass play there and better clock management  of course.

[34-78-83]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

see above

He never got on top of the the DB and I think that's how Allen Saw it too... Oh well it is what it is - communication needs to be sharp.

[Solomon Grundy]

4 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Thats a complete pass to Brown's back shoulder if read right by JB

They've hooked up on 2 of these this season prior.

Beasely was open true but which # read was he? Neither of us know.

Shouldn't he throw to the side the blitzer is coming from?

[34-78-83]

2 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Shouldn't he throw to the side the blitzer is coming from?

Its possible and sometimes built in that way but per the video the reads seemed to start to the right.

[gobills1212]

I think its pretty apparent there are those on this board who just dislike Allen and thus, for each loss, make him the scapegoat.  It gets pretty old because there is no objectivness to their posts. Some are actually good posters in other areas, but their disdain for the qb clouds their overall outlook. And look, im not saying the kid is blameless,  he isnt. However for the aforementioned posters - anything short of him floating down to the 50 in a superman getup and single handedly putting up 50pts with one throw means its time to get a new qb. I like this grade bc it takes into account the terrible positions he was put in by his OC. When asked to execute,  aside from the deep balls - he pretty much did. Hes the QB so i understand WHY he gets the blame for the D letdown, the missed kicks, and the loss as a whole but this agenda stuff to make the 2nd yr qb the scapegoat is getting REALLY old. Ill never understand if these people are actually fans or just like to half pay attention so they have something to complain about. 

[billybob71]

2 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

thats true and DE comes unblocked off the edge so JA isnt making it to his 2nd read anyway. I just would have liked to see a higher percentage pass play there and better clock management  of course.

and i could be wrong but the Browns blitz on that play 3 guys in JA face quickly. Maybe if he recognizes blitz pre snap he could have audibled  to Beasley on hot route and took the quick easy completion.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

On a positive note I am quite impressed with the 20 yard lasers today.  He made some great throws but seems like playcalling was a big issue when it counted. 

He actually played well today.  If we win he gets game ball.  Not sure who watches the games 

 

I can not say that.  He left plays on the field.  He didn't do enough.  He knows it.  That doesn't mean he didn't make some good plays, but he didn't play well.

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, 34-78-83 said:

Its possible and sometimes built in that way but per the video the reads seemed to start to the right.

Is that because he's not reading the blitzer? Teams run this same blitz against him weekly and he never recognize it.

[34-78-83]

1 minute ago, the skycap said:

Is that because he's not reading the blitzer? Teams run this same blitz against him weekly and he never recognize it.

could be a read, could be a protection adjustment that takes care of it. Could have built in Hots (including a go route by JB). Thats what I perceived... but then that JB never felt the need to break off to a back shoulder and Allen did, due to the db staying over. Hard to see w/o being on the team.

[Reed83HOF]

12 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

He never got on top of the the DB and I think that's how Allen Saw it too... Oh well it is what it is - communication needs to be sharp.

Some more info:
 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

I think its pretty apparent there are those on this board who just dislike Allen and thus, for each loss, make him the scapegoat.  It gets pretty old because there is no objectivness to their posts. Some are actually good posters in other areas, but their disdain for the qb clouds their overall outlook. And look, im not saying the kid is blameless,  he isnt. However for the aforementioned posters - anything short of him floating down to the 50 in a superman getup and single handedly putting up 50pts with one throw means its time to get a new qb. I like this grade bc it takes into account the terrible positions he was put in by his OC. When asked to execute,  aside from the deep balls - he pretty much did. Hes the QB so i understand WHY he gets the blame for the D letdown, the missed kicks, and the loss as a whole but this agenda stuff to make the 2nd yr qb the scapegoat is getting REALLY old. Ill never understand if these people are actually fans or just like to half pay attention so they have something to complain about. 

Why are you using 50 points?  Consistently getting 20 would be a first step.

[Reed83HOF]