Billsfan1972 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) I will continue to bang the drum that the coaching of the offense & Allen and refusal to open up the offense, throw for 300 and see what they really have in Josh Allen. I am 100% behind him and want him to the Bills QB the next dozen years. Scoring 20 is not a high benchmark in this league and almost every team would tell you that is the minimum they expect week after week. Here is the Bills record when the opposition scores 20 points vs. the Bills 3-17. The Bills have beaten TB in 2017 30-27 Jacksonville 2018 24-21 Miami 2019 31-21 Discuss???? Edited November 5, 2019 by Billsfan1972 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 honestly...what do you want us to do about it? 2 23 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Makes sense. Bills D has been pretty good at limiting points. When D isnt playing good, we will most likely lose every game. The O is still a work in progress. We really need offensive play makers early in the next draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will continue to bang the drum that the coaching of the offense & Allen and refusal to open up the offense, throw for 300 and see what they really have in Josh Allen. I am 100% behind him and want him to the Bills QB the next dozen years. Scoring 20 is not a high benchmark in this league and almost every team would tell you that is the minimum they expect week after week. Here is the Bills record when the opposition scores 20 points vs. the Bills 3-20. The Bills have beaten TB in 2017 30-27 Jacksonville 2018 24-21 Miami 2019 31-21 Discuss???? Our offense sucks and we lose when other teams score a lot. More breaking news at 6! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will continue to bang the drum that the coaching of the offense & Allen and refusal to open up the offense, throw for 300 and see what they really have in Josh Allen. I am 100% behind him and want him to the Bills QB the next dozen years. Scoring 20 is not a high benchmark in this league and almost every team would tell you that is the minimum they expect week after week. Here is the Bills record when the opposition scores 20 points vs. the Bills 3-20. The Bills have beaten TB in 2017 30-27 Jacksonville 2018 24-21 Miami 2019 31-21 Discuss???? Don't call it banging the drum. Call it a crusade. It's a crusade. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Our offense sucks and we lose when other teams score a lot. More breaking news at 6! Geez. Wasn’t your dog there so you could kick him? The OP makes an interesting observation. I know now that I’ll be looking at each game with this metric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Geez. Wasn’t your dog there so you could kick him? The OP makes an interesting observation. I know now that I’ll be looking at each game with this metric. I got another wild metric for you my man. The Bills have never lost a game when they’ve held their opponent to zero points. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will continue to bang the drum that the coaching of the offense & Allen and refusal to open up the offense, throw for 300 and see what they really have in Josh Allen. I am 100% behind him and want him to the Bills QB the next dozen years. Scoring 20 is not a high benchmark in this league and almost every team would tell you that is the minimum they expect week after week. Here is the Bills record when the opposition scores 20 points vs. the Bills 3-20. The Bills have beaten TB in 2017 30-27 Jacksonville 2018 24-21 Miami 2019 31-21 Discuss???? maybe i'm reading this wrong but McD only has 19 losses in his Bills career, sands the 1 phantom loss, so every game we've lost the opposition scored more than 20? are you counting the playoff game? Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L% SRS OSRS DSRS G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% Rank Num Won Notes 2017 43 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 -4.0 -3.0 -1.0 1 0 1 .000 2 4 1 2018 44 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 6 10 0 .375 -6.9 -6.3 -0.6 3 6 0 2019 45 Buffalo Bills NFL 8 6 2 0 .750 -3.0 -4.8 1.8 2 2 0 3 yrs 40 21 19 0 .525 1 0 1 .000 2.3 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 Is scoring 30 points so out of the ordinary & not possible? Check almost any team and their ability to score over 20 points & in higher scoring games. Bills have scored over 20 points in 19 of 40 games coached by McD (haven't gone through defensive scores or ultra-short fields). This offense needs to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: Don't call it banging the drum. Call it a crusade. It's a crusade. No. A pathological obsession. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Is scoring 30 points so out of the ordinary & not possible? Check almost any team and their ability to score over 20 points & in higher scoring games. Bills have scored over 20 points in 19 of 40 games coached by McD (haven't gone through defensive scores or ultra-short fields). This offense needs to improve. show your work, your stats are incorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 His formula has us 6-2. Stop biching. #complimentaryfootball #trusttheprocess #billsmafia #legalizeranch 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, Billsfan1972 said: Is scoring 30 points so out of the ordinary & not possible? Check almost any team and their ability to score over 20 points & in higher scoring games. Bills have scored over 20 points in 19 of 40 games coached by McD (haven't gone through defensive scores or ultra-short fields). This offense needs to improve. did we do something to make you angry? what grown man would post the same thing over and over and over and over? how can we as fans make you feel better? how can we heal together? 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Say When... said: maybe i'm reading this wrong but McD only has 19 losses in his Bills career, sands the 1 phantom loss, so every game we've lost the opposition scored more than 20? are you counting the playoff game? Year Age Tm Lg G W L T W-L% SRS OSRS DSRS G plyf W plyf L plyf W-L% Rank Num Won Notes 2017 43 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 -4.0 -3.0 -1.0 1 0 1 .000 2 4 1 2018 44 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 6 10 0 .375 -6.9 -6.3 -0.6 3 6 0 2019 45 Buffalo Bills NFL 8 6 2 0 .750 -3.0 -4.8 1.8 2 2 0 3 yrs 40 21 19 0 .525 1 0 1 .000 2.3 12 1 You're right 3-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Discuss???? discuss what? this season only two teams scored more then 20. one (eagles) loss, one (dolphins) win. those past games that led to the 3-17 results, were just that, from the past. so far this season, it's 1-1. the defense has been able to keep most teams under 20 so far, including the evil (16) empire and I don't expect that to change. so, nothing really to discuss since the losing to the opponents scoring more the 20 has not really been that way in 2019. 1-1 Edited November 5, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Is there anyone out there who does not think the offense could be better? Buehler? Buehler? The difference is that the OP is obsessed with this 300 yard mark, as much if not more so than how folks were obsessed with the 60% completion percentage last year. There are different ways to score points, you pass, you run. Just two games ago Wentz threw for 172 yards, three yards different than the Bills, but they put up 31 points. Why? Because they ran the ball well. There will be games where we need to gain more yards in the air. Absolutely. There will be games when we gash the other team with the running game. Absolutely. It would be great to have more offensive production. Absolutely. But just remember about the OP: he is on record saying the most important thing to him is to be entertained. I can only surmise than means wins are secondary. As opposed to another poster obsessed with the 300 yard thing, who has openly stated he'd be OK with the team losing so long as they throw for over 300. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, teef said: did we do something to make you angry? what grown man would post the same thing over and over and over and over? how can we as fans make you feel better? how can we heal together? I think it's time .... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Is there anyone out there who does not think the offense could be better? Buehler? Buehler? The difference is that the OP is obsessed with this 300 yard mark, as much if not more so than how folks were obsessed with the 60% completion percentage last year. There are different ways to score points, you pass, you run. Just two games ago Wentz threw for 172 yards, three yards different than the Bills, but they put up 31 points. Why? Because they ran the ball well. There will be games where we need to gain more yards in the air. Absolutely. There will be games when we gash the other team with the running game. Absolutely. It would be great to have more offensive production. Absolutely. But just remember about the OP: he is on record saying the most important thing to him is to be entertained. I can only surmise than means wins are secondary. As opposed to another poster obsessed with the 300 yard thing, who has openly stated he'd be OK with the team losing so long as they throw for over 300. 3-17 is pathetic..... This is a different thread..... And yes 300 yards passing usually results in more points and enables you to stay in games where the other team puts up 20+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will continue to bang the drum that the coaching of the offense & Allen and refusal to open up the offense, throw for 300 and see what they really have in Josh Allen. I am 100% behind him and want him to the Bills QB the next dozen years. Scoring 20 is not a high benchmark in this league and almost every team would tell you that is the minimum they expect week after week. Here is the Bills record when the opposition scores 20 points vs. the Bills 3-17. The Bills have beaten TB in 2017 30-27 Jacksonville 2018 24-21 Miami 2019 31-21 Discuss???? Here's one for ya Mr. 3-17....McDermott (a defensive minded HC) is 18-2 when the Bills' opponents don't score 20. Stop crusading. It's annoying to others. Edited November 5, 2019 by r00tabaga 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Can you look this up too: What is our record when we score more points than the opponent? 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Throwing up a stat like this is so absurdly worthless. This post screams "I looked for a statistic to support my opinion" Season 1 stats are of an entirely different roster Season 2 stats are from a TOTAL rebuild Season 3 stats... maybe the only true data you can justify using. But how does this compare to other teams/coaches? Maybe he's right in the middle of the pack.. but we'd never know! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Buffalo is scoring 20 points per game Buffalo is holding opponents to 16.4 points per game LOGIC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: 3-17 is pathetic..... This is a different thread..... And yes 300 yards passing usually results in more points and enables you to stay in games where the other team puts up 20+. How'd that work out for Gardner this weekend? The correlation isn't as strong as you think. It is ok to pass less, even in today's NFL. Do they need to score more? Yup. But the offense is returning two starters from last year, and one of them is a second year project QB. Takes time, man. It just is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 @Hapless Bills Fan and another one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 So you are saying we are 18-2 when our defense holds teams under 20? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: @Hapless Bills Fan and another one. Who doesn't love a good crusade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Wow this is terrible, I don't even want to contemplate what his record is when teams score 30pts on us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Stats like this don't seem to be worth much when we're talking about a rebuild. His overall record is 21-19, above .500 as Bills coach in the middle of a complete tear down and rebuild. 1 Inherited starter on the team now and he's won more than he's lost. The offense is the last piece of the rebuild. If this is still an issue at the end of this year, or halfway through next year, then we can be concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, teef said: did we do something to make you angry? what grown man would post the same thing over and over and over and over? how can we as fans make you feel better? how can we heal together? You know for a fact that he's that guy at work that people pretend they don't see him so they don't have to talk to him.....because they're hearing about 300 yards all the time too. They just nod but then just think about what they're going to cook for dinner. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: @Hapless Bills Fan and another one. Narc. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Who doesn't love a good crusade Come on Joey...you might have 1972 beat in the crusades. 1 minute ago, Gugny said: Narc. It's to benefit my family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 The Steelers protected Big Ben in his first two seasons -- how-- with Defense and a running game. He had less than 3000 yards passing each year (the second year he missed 4 games). That contributed significantly to his progress. McDermott is not going to rely solely on Josh to win games until he feels Josh is ready. If you think Offensive game plans will look the same next year, you aren't watching. Last year- get the kid a feel and use his feet This year- Develop his skills at reading d's; working progressions, becoming a complete QB; stop hero ball; protect the ball Next Year- will be based on year 2 -- may still have to do some remedial work The goal is to be a complete team and dominate...but now we rely on D and controlled offense. Its really not that hard to see if you think about it. I think the coaching has been pretty damn good and I am not going to complain about 6-2...I still think missing the playoffs is possible but I think the character of the team will get them through. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: 3-17 is pathetic..... This is a different thread..... And yes 300 yards passing usually results in more points and enables you to stay in games where the other team puts up 20+. This is such a stupid post. Matt Ryan has thrown for 300+ yards in 7 games this year and won 1. Josh Allen has thrown for 300+ yards in 0 games this year and won 6. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Who doesn't love a good crusade I see Metcalf's having a nice season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I see Metcalf's having a nice season. Not as good as Oliver... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: This is such a stupid post. Matt Ryan has thrown for 300+ yards in 7 games this year and won 1. Josh Allen has thrown for 300+ yards in 0 games this year and won 6. Wins don't matter. Being entertained does, according to the OP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will continue to bang the drum that the coaching of the offense & Allen and refusal to open up the offense, throw for 300 and see what they really have in Josh Allen. I am 100% behind him and want him to the Bills QB the next dozen years. Scoring 20 is not a high benchmark in this league and almost every team would tell you that is the minimum they expect week after week. Here is the Bills record when the opposition scores 20 points vs. the Bills 3-17. The Bills have beaten TB in 2017 30-27 Jacksonville 2018 24-21 Miami 2019 31-21 Discuss???? So that would mean the bills are 17-3 when the opp teams scores less than 20 pts right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Winning will develop Allen more than throwing 50 times and losing games. Get to meaningful games. When Allen has to step up let's see if he does. Get to the playoffs, see if your players rise to the occasion or shrink under it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Buffalo is scoring 20 points per game Buffalo is holding opponents to 16.4 points per game LOGIC So we’re undefeated, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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