Buffalo Bills Might Be Most Flawed 6-2 Team You’ve Ever Seen

[Wayne Arnold]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

No.

 

No he hasn't.

 

He piled up enormous numbers against the train wreck Miami squad (who seemingly have rallied a bit since week 4) in week 1, and has been wholly mediocre at best since.

 

 

He just curb-stomped the Patriots.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He just curb-stomped the Patriots.

 

Oh, HE curb stomped them?

 

Maybe my memory is going, but I thought it was the 200+ rushing yards  lead by Mark Ingram's astounding 7.7 yards per carry average and a defense that held Brady to 285 yards on 40+ attempts that blasted the Patsies.

 

But if it suits your agenda to credit the win solely to Lamar's 160 passing yards and 3.8 yards-per-carry rushing performance, then you do you man.

 

Some of us actually watch the games.

[ALF]

The Bills are in a good position to learn from and correct mistakes without having to panic. 

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Oh, HE curb stomped them?

 

Maybe my memory is going, but I thought it was the 200+ rushing yards  lead by Mark Ingram's astounding 7.7 yards per carry average and a defense that held Brady to 285 yards on 40+ attempts that blasted the Patsies.

 

But if it suits your agenda to credit the win solely to Lamar's 160 passing yards and 3.8 yards-per-carry rushing performance, then you do you man.

 

Some of us actually watch the games.

 

Did Jackson sleep with your wife or something? The anger is fascinating.

 

Jackson commanded his offense to an early lead over a defense that made Josh Allen and Sam Darnold look like crapping preschoolers. Not sure which game you were watching.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

59 minutes ago, Tcali said:

Mayfield is the better QB.

 

Prove it.

 

[thebandit27]

30 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Did Jackson sleep with your wife or something? The anger is fascinating.

 

Jackson commanded his offense to an early lead over a defense that made Josh Allen and Sam Darnold look like crapping preschoolers. Not sure which game you were watching.

 

You know how I know when someone is out of arguments? They make things up. 

 

In this instance, you've pulled from thin air an idea that somehow I don't like Lamar or am angry about...something? Not sure. As is typical for totally-made-up arguments, this one wasn't very well developed.

 

And it couldn't be further from the truth, as I've been quite consistent that I like and believe in all 5 of the 2018 QBs. I think Lamar is good. Maybe very good. We'll see.

 

And I'm thrilled that they decimated the Patsies. Why wouldn't I be?

 

I just happen to be able to watch them objectively and put their performances into context. Try it sometime.

[oldmanfan]

Jackson is having a great year.  The Ravens designed their offense around his unique skill set.  Good for him.

 

And that has nothing to do with how good or bad Josh Allen is playing. 

[Jrb1979]

24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Jackson is having a great year.  The Ravens designed their offense around his unique skill set.  Good for him.

 

And that has nothing to do with how good or bad Josh Allen is playing. 

The Bills should be doing the same with their offense for Allen. 

[row_33]

tons of teams have to have been bad 6-2, it's not worth remembering

 

offhand...

 

the Bears have garbaged and lucked their way to great records, under Jauron and last year, and then gone back to hibernation

 

 

[Pokebball]

So is this praise or criticism?

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

The Bills should be doing the same with their offense for Allen. 

One could make an argument for that.  I think allen is inherently a better passer than Jackson.  And not as good a runner.

[wppete]

Nonesense.... Some people just love to complain...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Dopey said:

Since it's Browns week a question keeps popping up in my mind every time I see the title of this thread: Would you rather be perceived as a "flawed" 6-2 team or as a "talented" 2-6 team? Ask the Browns this question. I've wanted to ask this question since this thread was started, but never did. Dopey me.

you beat me to MY punchline 

 

Quit being so dopey 

 

I'd like to add that   NE is a flawed 8-1 team.

Edited November 6, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[Dopey]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

you beat me to MY punchline 

 

Quit being do dopey 

 

I'd like to add that   NE is a flawed 8-1 team.

Agreed. I don't think they will fall off the cliff, like some say after the Baltimore game, but they have their issues too.

[Wayne Arnold]

38 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

The Bills should be doing the same with their offense for Allen. 

 

Theyre trying.

 

Daboll isn’t quite as good as Roman. Doesn’t mean he can’t ultimately get the job done, but Roman is one of the best there is.

[K-9]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Theyre trying.

 

Daboll isn’t quite as good as Roman. Doesn’t mean he can’t ultimately get the job done, but Roman is one of the best there is.

Go Ravens!

[Wayne Arnold]

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Go Ravens!

 

“Real fans” only compliment members of their own team and trash everyone else! 

[starrymessenger]

I think it's wrong to say the Bills are "the most flawed 6-2 team". They are, like most, a team with strengths and weaknesses. A work in progress. How they use their strengths and manage their weaknesses through the remaining eight games of the regular season will tell me whether or not they can be called a good team this year. Jury is out. A lot depends on how well the coaches do their jobs. 

[row_33]

Just now, starrymessenger said:

I think it's wrong to say the Bills are "the most flawed 6-2 team". They are, like most, a team with strengths and weaknesses. A work in progress. How they use their strengths and manage their weaknesses through the remaining eight games of the regular season will tell me whether or not they can be called a good team this year. Jury is out. A lot depends on how well the coaches do their jobs. 

 

this season is exceptionally stocked with rancid and dumpster fire teams in the AFC

 

so 6-2 putatively (on paper) would seem to be an accomplishment almost every year

 

but this one.....

 

rock on Bills, win them all!

 

 

[teef]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

this season is exceptionally stocked with rancid and dumpster fire teams in the AFC

 

so 6-2 putatively (on paper) would seem to be an accomplishment almost every year

 

but this one.....

 

rock on Bills, win them all!

 

 

it's still an accomplishment.  the bills are as strong as your typical 6-2 team, but the record is a positive, and it's ok to call it an accomplishment.  you play who you have in front of you.  the bills are the ones typically at the bottom.  this year they're not.

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

“Real fans” only compliment members of their own team and trash everyone else! 

In that case, I congratulate you for completely reversing that paradigm. Well done. 
 

You might be a bit Ravens-centric though. Perhaps you can tailor your rooting interests to each week’s opponent. Here, let’s get you started:

 

Baker Mayfield is an infinitely better QB than Josh Allen! 

Edited November 6, 2019 by K-9

[row_33]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

it's still an accomplishment.  the bills are as strong as your typical 6-2 team, but the record is a positive, and it's ok to call it an accomplishment.  you play who you have in front of you.  the bills are the ones typically at the bottom.  this year they're not.

 

for sure, can't attack a 6-2 team, unless it should have been 8--0 (not the case here...)

 

can make a few wishes for improvement in key areas over this season and the next few....

 

 

[HappyDays]

11 hours ago, Tcali said:

Mayfield is the better QB

 

I don't see how this is defensible. Allen is better in every efficiency stat with a much worse supporting cast around him.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't see how this is defensible. Allen is better in every efficiency stat with a much worse supporting cast around him.

No way I trade Allen for Mayfield, and I don't believe many, except the most strident Mayfield supporters would.

[Chicken Boo]

12 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

So the fans play a role in solving the shortcomings...got it

 

Yeah, that's what I said. ?

 

The fans don't even want to DISCUSS them.  They just point to record and pretend it doesn't exist.  

[K-9]

Seeing as there are only two 6-2 teams, I prefer to think of us as being the second best as opposed to the worst. 

[LSHMEAB]

19 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Seems you're right as the sharps are all over this as around 80% of the bets are on the Bills and the line hasn't moved.  Taking the Browns under a field goal at -2.5 is tempting in order to hedge my emotions.  With my luck the Browns will win by one.

Yeah. You'd have to bite the bullet and lay the juice on the ML to protect against that scenario. This is just one of those games that looks awful from the perspective of sports betting. Same deal with Philly. I would love to be wrong.

 

I'm honestly more concerned about Baker going off than I about getting gashed in the run game. They'll make stopping the run the top priority and most likely have better results in that area.

 

But are the Bills gonna generate enough pressure to disrupt Mayfield on 3rd and whatever. That will be the deciding factor IMO. We're probably not gonna score more than 21-24 points and that's being optimistic. Gotta get the pressure going and make some game changing plays on D.

[GoBills808]

13 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He just curb-stomped the Patriots.

Ingram you mean

[Happy]

18 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

But are the Bills gonna generate enough pressure to disrupt Mayfield on 3rd and whatever. That will be the deciding factor IMO. We're probably not gonna score more than 21-24 points and that's being optimistic. Gotta get the pressure going and make some game changing plays on D.

 

This is the key point and should make all the difference in the game.  Pressure Mayfield, and he'll turn the ball over.  I really wish McD and Frazier would blitz when the situation calls for it, and Cleveland is one of those games.

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

This is the key point and should make all the difference in the game.  Pressure Mayfield, and he'll turn the ball over.  I really wish McD and Frazier would blitz when the situation calls for it, and Cleveland is one of those games.

We've been harping on this all season and I would say we've been very fortunate in the QB's the defense has faced.

 

Mayfield is certainly not a great QB, but he's someone who's perfectly capable of big games under the right circumstances. This will be a big test for the question marks some have about whether or not the defense can disrupt opposing QB's ENOUGH with their current group of pass rushers. Somebody's gotta really step up against Mayfield and Dak. Man, this schedule is really advantageous on the QB front when those are the two most concerning games!

 

I'll give McD a ton of credit for the work he's done on Brady, but that hasn't been the result of heat.

[Happy]

16 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

We've been harping on this all season and I would say we've been very fortunate in the QB's the defense has faced.

 

Mayfield is certainly not a great QB, but he's someone who's perfectly capable of big games under the right circumstances. This will be a big test for the question marks some have about whether or not the defense can disrupt opposing QB's ENOUGH with their current group of pass rushers. Somebody's gotta really step up against Mayfield and Dak. Man, this schedule is really advantageous on the QB front when those are the two most concerning games!

 

I'll give McD a ton of credit for the work he's done on Brady, but that hasn't been the result of heat.

 

Agree with the first sentence; this is a big reason why we're viewed so skeptically by the national media.

 

I think this defense is built to stop Brady and his passing attack more so than it is to stop a mobile QB with a strong rushing attack.  Throw in a dominant o-line and we don't have the horses for that (such as with Philly.)  I don't worry so much about Cleveland since their o-line isn't the best and Mayfield isn't that good, just need to shut down Chubb primarily.  I do worry about Baltimore and Dallas - very good o-lines and a strong rushing attack.  Those are two losses.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Agree with the first sentence; this is a big reason why we're viewed so skeptically by the national media.

 

I think this defense is built to stop Brady and his passing attack more so than it is to stop a mobile QB with a strong rushing attack.  Throw in a dominant o-line and we don't have the horses for that (such as with Philly.)  I don't worry so much about Cleveland since their o-line isn't the best and Mayfield isn't that good, just need to shut down Chubb primarily.  I do worry about Baltimore and Dallas - very good o-lines and a strong rushing attack.  Those are two losses.

Baltimore is a W

[Rock'em Sock'em]

On 11/4/2019 at 7:43 PM, Luka said:

Allen being the better passer

 

Maybe... Jackson does have a better passer rating, more passing yards per game, more TDs, fewer INTs, fewer fumbles, and a higher completion percentage.  And he has thrown for 300 yards and 5 TDs in a single game.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Baltimore is a W

 

Say more as they do concern me, given our rush D

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. You'd have to bite the bullet and lay the juice on the ML to protect against that scenario. This is just one of those games that looks awful from the perspective of sports betting. Same deal with Philly. I would love to be wrong.

 

I'm honestly more concerned about Baker going off than I about getting gashed in the run game. They'll make stopping the run the top priority and most likely have better results in that area.

 

But are the Bills gonna generate enough pressure to disrupt Mayfield on 3rd and whatever. That will be the deciding factor IMO. We're probably not gonna score more than 21-24 points and that's being optimistic. Gotta get the pressure going and make some game changing plays on D.

Only do ml in baseball.  Bills rarely lose by less than a fg.  If they lose it’s usually double digits.  Road public dogs are historically bad at covering.  I hate the dynamics of this game for all the reasons you mentioned.

[Happy]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Baltimore is a W

 

You think?  Between Lamar Jackson, Mark Ingram, and a very good o-line I just don't like that game.  

 

I don't like the Dallas game either because of their o-line, Zeke, and Dak who doesn't run like Lamar, but is a better passer.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Say more as they do concern me, given our rush D

They run a ton of stuff w/Jackson off tackle, and that's where Edmunds shines. He moves laterally better than north-south right now. I think we have the personnel to be able to key on Ingram and the Jackson's read option and take away everything else...we match up well defensively. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

They run a ton of stuff w/Jackson off tackle, and that's where Edmunds shines. He moves laterally better than north-south right now. I think we have the personnel to be able to key on Ingram and the Jackson's read option and take away everything else...we match up well defensively. 

 

Good point, I noticed that he ran off tackle a lot.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Only do ml in baseball.  Bills rarely lose by less than a fg.  If they lose it’s usually double digits.  Road public dogs are historically bad at covering.  I hate the dynamics of this game for all the reasons you mentioned.

Give me the 3-0 on the road UNDEFEATED ATS Buffalo Bills +3 all DAY against the 2-6 ATS losers of their last 4 ATS Browns...easy $$

[Happy]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

They run a ton of stuff w/Jackson off tackle, and that's where Edmunds shines.

 

Think Baltimore will see that and adjusts, such as Jackson's read option going through the A or B gap?  That could be a problem. Also depends on changes McD makes with the rush D scheme.