Virgil Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I don’t know why I didn’t think about this before and I’m not sure if I’ve seen this talked about as it pertains to the Bills, but.... If the Cowboys don’t get a deal done with Dak soon, then they will have to decide which player to franchise tag between him and Cooper. I would have to think Dak would be priority #1 for them as his deal may take longer to figure out. The team has already said they are seeking a team friendly deal as they have so many players due for solid paydays. With that being said, Cooper could be a FA in his prime. That has to be someone we write a blank check to, no? That would be an immediate boost to our offense. Just look at what he did for Dak. On a side note, is there a cutoff in the season where new contracts count towards the following years cap? I’ve wondered how that works as the Dak saga continues on 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Team Friendly deal means under market value. Neither will accept that......ITS PAY DAY BOYS 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: Team Friendly deal means under market value. Neither will accept that......ITS PAY DAY BOYS I honestly wouldn’t care if we overpaid for Cooper. We have the money and then some. It’s why we did all of this. It would be the biggest FA signing in as long as I can remember. It would be bigger to me than Super Mario. I would lose my ***** 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I never know what to think about this guy.... where does he rank among the top receivers in the NFL? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 There should be no such thing as a “team friendly deal” and people that want that should go away. Imagine if you worked at Tops and Wegmans offered you double. Would anyone argue that you should stay at Tops?!? Everyone would think you are a moron. You aren’t doing what’s best for you or your family. The same thing in sports but it is even more extreme in some ways. The average career is 3 years long. Obviously, if we are talking about your 2nd contract you likely exceeded that but still. Get the market value!!! That holds true for all of us in every job. 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There should be no such thing as a “team friendly deal” and people that want that should go away. Imagine if you worked at Tops and Wegmans offered you double. Would anyone argue that you should stay at Tops?!? Everyone would think you are a moron. You aren’t doing what’s best for you or your family. The same thing in sports but it is even more extreme in some ways. The average career is 3 years long. Obviously, if we are talking about your 2nd contract you likely exceeded that but still. Get the market value!!! That holds true for all of us in every job. Dallas strip clubs vs Dave & Busters. How many millions per year is that worth? ? OK.......zero....... EDIT: To the strippers it could indeed be worth millions! Make it RAIN! . Edited November 2, 2019 by Augie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I never know what to think about this guy.... where does he rank among the top receivers in the NFL? I am in the same boat. He was turning into a big-time bust there for a while. I’m not sure if he is a guy to throw big money at— doesn’t seem like a sure thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) These are 2 premier NFL players, the new deals will be crazy. Probably fully guaranteed too By the way, nice thread . Edited November 2, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I am in the same boat. He was turning into a big-time bust there for a while. I’m not sure if he is a guy to throw big money at— doesn’t seem like a sure thing. He was killing it in Oakland until Carr got hurt. Then, in Dallas, he’s been awesome. I’d pay him Michael Thomas money and not look back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Interesing topic, @Virgil Eh. Need to see more before a blank check is handed out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, HOUSE said: These are 2 premier NFL players, the new deals will be crazy. Probably fully guaranteed too By the way, nice thread . Kiss up ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 between Garrett and Dak, someone's gotta go. If Jerry keeps them both he's Al Davis crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, Augie said: Kiss up ? I prefer when he kisses down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I prefer when he kisses down I take back my nice thread. This is what happens when you try to be nice. Heart ache I tell ya, heart ache THIS THREAD BLOWS . Edited November 2, 2019 by HOUSE 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I take back my nice thread. This is what happens when you try to be nice. Heart ache I tell ya, heart ache Doesn’t that just chap your hide? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 "Team friendly deal" in this situation is just what they're calling it to allow Dak to take a fair market deal and save face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, HOUSE said: THIS THREAD BLOWS . Now you’re getting it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: Now you’re getting it You guys are making me blush! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I never know what to think about this guy.... where does he rank among the top receivers in the NFL? McCaffrey, Kupp, Thielen, Edelman all easily better. JuJu is probably better, Odell, Michael Thomas...Just off the top of my head so probably top 10 Edited November 2, 2019 by Sherlock Holmes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: McCaffrey, Kupp, Thielen, Edelman all easily better. JuJu is probably better, Odell, Michael Thomas...Just off the top of my head so probably top 10 Cooper is in that second tier if you ask me. At the top are Hopkins, OBJ, Thomas, Adams, Hill...I have Cooper in the Diggs/Golladay/Allen/Evans category 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 What we really oughta do is trade two first round picks for Sammy Watkins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: There should be no such thing as a “team friendly deal” and people that want that should go away. Imagine if you worked at Tops and Wegmans offered you double. Would anyone argue that you should stay at Tops?!? Everyone would think you are a moron. You aren’t doing what’s best for you or your family. The same thing in sports but it is even more extreme in some ways. The average career is 3 years long. Obviously, if we are talking about your 2nd contract you likely exceeded that but still. Get the market value!!! That holds true for all of us in every job. The only team for which the "team friendly deal" bit is real is a perennial championship contender, where a player who wants "IN" may agree to a discount. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The only team for which the "team friendly deal" bit is real is a perennial championship contender, where a player who wants "IN" may agree to a discount. Or the guy's hot girlfriend won't leave town with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The only team for which the "team friendly deal" bit is real is a perennial championship contender, where a player who wants "IN" may agree to a discount. That’s certainly true and the one time it makes sense. It often is vet players later in their careers chasing a ring. You see it a lot in the NBA. The Patriots have had it to a certain extent as well. More often than not, those guys have made their money. Edited November 2, 2019 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: Dallas strip clubs vs Dave & Busters. How many millions per year is that worth? ? OK.......zero....... EDIT: To the strippers it could indeed be worth millions! Make it RAIN! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: Dallas strip clubs vs Dave & Busters. How many millions per year is that worth? ? OK.......zero....... EDIT: To the strippers it could indeed be worth millions! Make it RAIN! . Give me $300 and I'll get more action at a Dave and Busters including games, a meal, drinks, and $200 left in my pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloTX said: Give me $300 and I'll get more action at a Dave and Busters including games, a meal, drinks, and $200 left in my pocket. That sounds like a “Happy Meal”! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: That sounds like a “Happy Meal”! a very happy "happy meal" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: I never know what to think about this guy.... where does he rank among the top receivers in the NFL? About 43rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Here's a decent article about why they can afford both Dak and Cooper. Neither are leaving unless they're unhappy there. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/how-historic-ezekiel-elliott-contract-impacts-cowboys-cap-space-and-why-they-can-still-afford-everyone/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Here's a decent article about why they can afford both Dak and Cooper. Neither are leaving unless they're unhappy there. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/how-historic-ezekiel-elliott-contract-impacts-cowboys-cap-space-and-why-they-can-still-afford-everyone/ But can they get them both done before FA? Seems like both players want to be paid top 3. While the Cowboys can afford it, it may take a while for the players to come down and understand their true value. One, or both, might want to see what offers they get from other teams. It can only help their leverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: I never know what to think about this guy.... where does he rank among the top receivers in the NFL? I suppose it depends on the criteria. Some people really emphasize statistical achievements while others include the intangible impact on the game. I really like his intangibles. When he is not double covered, he wrecks the game. When his team faces a critical passing situation, they seem to look to him and he delivers. He has played hurt trying not to miss playing time. He is a willing blocker and is an asset in their run game. He has stats that place him among the league leaders in various categories. I also consider the joke that was the Dallas passing game before they acquired him from Oakland and how good they quickly became. If he becomes a FA, he will be the best option out there and will be extremely expensive. If Beane wanted to dump a boatload of cash on a guy, I'd be okay with it being Cooper. I also believe that Cooper will be highly selective in choosing a team. He had problems in Oakland because he didn't like all of the losing. IMHO he will only consider playoff caliber organizations and may not want to play in a cold weather city. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Cooper is in that second tier if you ask me. At the top are Hopkins, OBJ, Thomas, Adams, Hill...I have Cooper in the Diggs/Golladay/Allen/Evans category Ah, Hopkins slipped my mind, Julio as well, but he's old now. Kupp is just beginning his career and dominating, that's why I have him on top. Evans is another good WR I'd put in top tier. I just don't have Golladay, Allen, Adams that high... Diggs is under Thielen in my book. Tyreek is definitely dangerous but he's more of a gadget guy than #1 WR material. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I'm all for Cooper (Kupp)!! I say we hold Cooper Kupps' spot on the team until we can nab him in trade or FA...another Cooper might do the job as his seat warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Blank check for Cooper?? How about no. Let Jerry make that mistake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The only team for which the "team friendly deal" bit is real is a perennial championship contender, where a player who wants "IN" may agree to a discount. Also QB’s. If I am a quality QB, the difference between 30M and 25M for myself isn’t as much as taking that 5M every year and getting a better tieres OLineman or WR. Because QBs take up about 15% of the salary cap, they have a much different effect than every other position. That said, I’m a MLB, I am getting paid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Ah, Hopkins slipped my mind, Julio as well, but he's old now. Kupp is just beginning his career and dominating, that's why I have him on top. Evans is another good WR I'd put in top tier. I just don't have Golladay, Allen, Adams that high... Diggs is under Thielen in my book. Tyreek is definitely dangerous but he's more of a gadget guy than #1 WR material. Are you discounting Adams talent level because of Rodgers??? Dude’s 26 and he’s possibly the best WR TD threat in the league and can run every route. He’s improved every year in the league as well and posted 111 receptions for 1386 yards and 13 TDs last year in 15 games. I get that he only caught 75 passes and 10 TDs with DeShone Keizer throwing him the ball, but damn... please explain how that guy isn’t top tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 2, 2019 Author Share Posted November 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Ah, Hopkins slipped my mind, Julio as well, but he's old now. Kupp is just beginning his career and dominating, that's why I have him on top. Evans is another good WR I'd put in top tier. I just don't have Golladay, Allen, Adams that high... Diggs is under Thielen in my book. Tyreek is definitely dangerous but he's more of a gadget guy than #1 WR material. All great. All will never see Free Agency. That’s why, if this happens, we have to jump on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 7 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Cooper is in that second tier if you ask me. At the top are Hopkins, OBJ, Thomas, Adams, Hill...I have Cooper in the Diggs/Golladay/Allen/Evans category I have Evans in the top group but otherwise I agree totally with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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