Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 hours ago, buffalobillswin said: How come every local sports show has a big dog or a mad dog or a bulldog? for lunch pail fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: As a Floridian, I listen via interweb because it’s the only Bills/Sabres talk shows during the day. I’m offended AND angry for sports fans from my beloved WNY. They’re the Only thing you have and it’s just so goddam bad. It’s like a daily competition from show to show to see who can be most amateur, unenlightened and unlistenable. Yet, they act like they’re Top 5 nationwide and absolute authorities on sports.. Sal & Schelp are just 2 of the dummies masquerading as sports announcers. It’s just so embarrassing. I bleed for you all.? I like sal though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Let's not turn this into a Mike Schopp bash thread. We've had enough of those. I'd appreciate it if comments are limited in scope, more or less, to the linked exchange. Really sounds like much a do about nothing to me Schopp doesnt want to give them credit ] Sal is saying they are 5 and 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Bubba Gump said: I listened and my opinion hasn't changed. Loved how right after he let Sal off the air, he asked Bulldog if he thought the Bills were a better team, looking for support. BD didn't really back him up. Schopp cannot stand being wrong because he's in MENSA or whatever. When it comes to sports, he is pretty clueless. Just asking but when did Schopp ever mention that he was in MENSA. That would explain ALOT about him regarding his smug attitude. My biggest gripe with him was the way he acts like he is a elitist and the negative way he way he treats most callers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Ray Finkel said: Schopp thinks he is a know it all and he is very disrespectful to the callers. I don’t think he played a sport in his life. He couldn’t carry Sal’s jockstrap. That's the thing, just because someone played sports, it does not give them some kind of leg up on those who did not. Belichick wins with strategy and intelligence during games as well as during the off season, has nothing to do with some knucklehead notion that you have had to have played sports to be any good at running a sports team, a very prevalent yet ignorant take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 There obviously is some tension between. McDermott and Schopp. If you remember, last year he basically hung up on Schopp. Mike was off-air the next two segments, obviously talking to someone - either McDermott, Derek Boyko or someone from the station. This season, McDermott chose not to do his regular interview segment with Schopp. Instead he speaks to Howard and Jeremy on Friday. I have always thought that this was pretty telling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: There obviously is some tension between. McDermott and Schopp. If you remember, last year he basically hung up on Schopp. Mike was off-air the next two segments, obviously talking to someone - either McDermott, Derek Boyko or someone from the station. This season, McDermott chose not to do his regular interview segment with Schopp. Instead he speaks to Howard and Jeremy on Friday. I have always thought that this was pretty telling. McDermott is unwilling answer tough questions, it's that simple. I get the impression that for McDermott, questioning the way he runs a football team is akin to questioning his faith in his religion, it's blasphemous. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: That's the thing, just because someone played sports, it does not give them some kind of leg up on those who did not. Belichick wins with strategy and intelligence during games as well as during the off season, has nothing to do with some knucklehead notion that you have had to have played sports to be any good at running a sports team, a very prevalent yet ignorant take. I agree but your example of Belichick is flawed. How did Belichick develop such “intelligence?” It wasn’t because he used to play college football was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 7 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: Nah... More likely badminton... Or goodglove (which Schopp invented, so he could be right about something). Pocket pool maybe, might not even be good at that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: I agree but your example of Belichick is flawed. How did Belichick develop such “intelligence?” It wasn’t because he used to play college football was it? Intelligent people are more apt to learn and excel at anything, that's the main point. Rock head ex-football players who get jobs like coaching or color analyst usually flame out or are seriously bad at their jobs, there are so many examples of both. Now, I imagine playing at some point in your life would have helped develop the passion and could lead one in that direction, however I don't think it is a mandatory prerequisite to success (like it seems many fans mistakenly believe, "if you've never played organized sports you have no clue" caveman mentality). Edited October 31, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Why am I not surprised that the OP's a schopp fan? Edit: and 7-9. Edited October 31, 2019 by Joe in Winslow 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Intelligent people are more apt to learn and excel at anything, that's the main point. Rock head ex-football players who get jobs like coaching or color analyst usually flame out or are seriously bad at their jobs, there are so many examples of both. Now, I imagine playing at some point in your life would have helped develop the passion and could lead one in that direction, however I don't think it is a mandatory prerequisite to success (like it seems many fans mistakenly believe, "if you've never played organized sports you have no clue" caveman mentality). I disagree with the "if you've never played organized sports you have no clue" mentality. But some of the longest-tenured coaches in NFL history are former players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: I disagree with the "if you've never played organized sports you have no clue" mentality. But some of the longest-tenured coaches in NFL history are former players. I'm too lazy to look at the winning SB coaches and see how many played in the NFL. I'm going to guess most of them are not former NFL players. Now high school and college, yeah, I mean passion usually starts with experiencing something. Edited October 31, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why am I not surprised that the OP's a schopp fan? Edit: and 7-9. I can't say I am a fan of his attitude, but Schopp has been right more than wrong the last ~17 years. Can't say that about most Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Seven-N-Nine said: That's the thing, just because someone played sports, it does not give them some kind of leg up on those who did not. Belichick wins with strategy and intelligence during games as well as during the off season, has nothing to do with some knucklehead notion that you have had to have played sports to be any good at running a sports team, a very prevalent yet ignorant take. To know and not to do, is not to know. You don't have to have played football to be a part of the radio coverage for a team, but it would help. Mike lives in the world of symbols (stats), the actual real thing doesn't matter as much. Like previously mentioned there is no stat for culture so it's not real or relevant to his super-smart brain. Also team culture is the most important thing, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Aireskoi said: To know and not to do, is not to know. You don't have to have played football to be a part of the radio coverage for a team, but it would help. Mike lives in the world of symbols (stats), the actual real thing doesn't matter as much. Like previously mentioned there is no stat for culture so it's not real or relevant to his super-smart brain. Also team culture is the most important thing, IMO. McDermott's culture is not showing up in games against quality opponents however. If that trend continues, the culture will break down, it cannot last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: McDermott's culture is not showing up in games against quality opponents however. If that trend continues, the culture will break down, it cannot last. The culture is how you run the organization, so how does it break down? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Protocal69 said: Just asking but when did Schopp ever mention that he was in MENSA. Media Expert, Nothing Said Anyways? Edited October 31, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 My dyslexia invalidated my membership application! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Aireskoi said: The culture is how you run the organization, so how does it break down? Losing games, losing the locker room, losing your job. McDermott is a preacher of culture, if the results are not there, the followers will start questioning their belief's. This is why to McDermott, it is so important to get process guys, it takes them longer to lose faith, they don't question the preacher, etc. Culture in lieu of talent = losing IMO. Edited October 31, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Schopp should be power slammed through a burning table then extinguished with a cascade of pee. Edited October 31, 2019 by Irv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Irv said: Schopp should be power slammed through a burning table then extinguished with a cascade of pee. Because why exactly? His points hit an uncomfortable nerve maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Nextmanup said: *hear* himself talk. Here, here. Voice-to-text strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Let's not turn this into a Mike Schopp bash thread. We've had enough of those. I'd appreciate it if comments are limited in scope, more or less, to the linked exchange. Sorry I can not think of a single good thing to say about Schopp , if you can then please by all means share it with us , And after listening to that exchange with Sal is the reason why I don’t listen to WGR550 between 2:00 pm - 6:00 pm Central Time !!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Losing games, losing the locker room, losing your job. McDermott is a preacher of culture, if the results are not there, the followers will start questioning their belief's. This is why to McDermott, it is so important to get process guys, it takes them longer to lose faith, they don't question the preacher, etc. Culture in lieu of talent = losing IMO. So he has to win games to keep his job, how is that different than any other coach? So far the results are 1 playoff appearance out of 2 tries. ...but but the point differential and stats, so fail...right? Edit: My mind is kinda blown that after 20 years of no post season there are fans that want this Superbowl to happen so fast. There is a process of winning in place that has not been here. I'm enjoying the build, and I feel sorry for those that can't. Edited October 31, 2019 by Aireskoi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Aireskoi said: My mind is kinda blown that after 20 years of no post season there are fans that want this Superbowl to happen so fast. I'm sorry but the days of grooming a QB for 5 years are long gone. FO's and coaching staff's get 3 years. QB's drafted in the first round get 2-3 MAX. Adapt or die. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aireskoi Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I'm sorry but the days of grooming a QB for 5 years are long gone. FO's and coaching staff's get 3 years. QB's drafted in the first round get 2-3 MAX. Adapt or die. Die? Like 20 years of not reaching post season? This team was dead and McD has given it a pulse. 3 years for a coach is how loser teams keep losing...That's the recipe for never winning. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Was it like Chrissy Everett and Jim Rome? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I normally defend Mike just for the fact it’s entertaining and I can turn he dial. However, he actually said point differential is more important than wins. That is just insane 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas6969 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Schopp is as always been the worst whatever he is, with negativity. He just has the hardest time being positive. So this is not in any way a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: I normally defend Mike just for the fact it’s entertaining and I can turn he dial. However, he actually said point differential is more important than wins. That is just insane point differential is ONLY important in a Tie Breaking scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Losing games, losing the locker room, losing your job. McDermott is a preacher of culture, if the results are not there, the followers will start questioning their belief's. This is why to McDermott, it is so important to get process guys, it takes them longer to lose faith, they don't question the preacher, etc. Culture in lieu of talent = losing IMO. Holy cow, what a take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: There obviously is some tension between. McDermott and Schopp. If you remember, last year he basically hung up on Schopp. Mike was off-air the next two segments, obviously talking to someone - either McDermott, Derek Boyko or someone from the station. This season, McDermott chose not to do his regular interview segment with Schopp. Instead he speaks to Howard and Jeremy on Friday. I have always thought that this was pretty telling. Well yeah, Schopp is an #######! Why would you want to talk to the douche? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: I normally defend Mike just for the fact it’s entertaining and I can turn he dial. However, he actually said point differential is more important than wins. That is just insane He was saying that because of the varying schedules, you have to look past just wins and losses. Some years you have an easy schedule, some years you have a hard schedule. That is why you look to point differential. That part was okay, but what annoyed me is he didn't appreciate the phase of development. The team he was comparing us to was the year we had Orton and that really good defense. That was THE finished product, their was no where else to go. This years team has a second year developmental quarterback, who is continually improving, mind you. It is much earlier in the process than the Orton team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Intelligent people are more apt to learn and excel at anything, that's the main point. Rock head ex-football players who get jobs like coaching or color analyst usually flame out or are seriously bad at their jobs, there are so many examples of both. Now, I imagine playing at some point in your life would have helped develop the passion and could lead one in that direction, however I don't think it is a mandatory prerequisite to success (like it seems many fans mistakenly believe, "if you've never played organized sports you have no clue" caveman mentality). you come of as a pompous holier than thou type of jerk. I'm not surprised you agree with that idiot on WGR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas6969 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Is there in Bills country a more negative person than Mike Schopp? Or self righteous? Mike Franseca or Jim Rome he is not. Those 2 have National respect. Mike has small, tiny respect from those who are like him in real life. I rarely listen to Schopp and the Bulldog because I find Mike to be so distasteful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I do like Mike Schopp most of the time, but he was ridiculous in this segment. Sal knew he was talking crazy, and really called him out on it. I really disagree that trading up in drafts is wrong all the time. Especially if you can do it without trading away next year's 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Didn’t think it was very contentious. Just 2 guys having a lively discussion with differing opinions. I actually like Schopp’s point of “have some humility until you’ve accomplished something.” But also agree with Sal that the organization is better run. The verdict is still out on what type of results they’ll get. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkwoodus13 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Whaley assembled the most talented team the bills had in years. Ownership never valued his opinion and hired Rex who everyone could agree was a complete disaster. However that blunder could have turn into the biggest win in bills history had ownership rewarded the person that actually did their job. Whaley clearly wanted Watson or Mahomes. He never believed in Tyrod. Imagine if we had drafted one of these two. Those Whaley teams was just a quarterback and a decent coach away from contending. McDermott has proven to be a decent coach\great defensive coordinator. At least he was smart to get the power that ownership never gave Doug. In the end its all about wins and losses. But maybe we end up like the Bengals and Marvin Lewis. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 10 hours ago, thebug said: Every single team to make the playoffs (that was on the bubble) also had help from other players and teams during the season. That’s a bizarre take. It was a fluke. Bills might have been the 21st or 22nd best team in the NFL in 2017. Banners and parades and rings don’t happen with wild cards. I’m talking championships. Seeing a banner in New Era with “2017 IN THE PLAYOFFS FOR A COUPLE SECONDS THANKS TO BENGALS CONVERTING 4TH AND 20 FOR A TOUCHDOWN AGAINST RAVENS” would be a little weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: point differential is ONLY important in a Tie Breaking scenario Point differential is a good predictor of how good a team actually is. Of course there are many other variables, but to ignore it is back to "hoping" the team is good, which is totally useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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