atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) I remember hearing that Daboll was going to move down to the field for games this year over the summer. At first I thought this was a good idea IF he and Josh have a good relationship. After watching them through the first half of the season, I don’t believe that’s the case. Id like to see someone who is a bit calmer and more positive as the first interaction Josh has when he comes off the field. Daboll yelling at Josh isn’t good for anyone. Many of us guys 40+ are managing a new generation. It’s not like it was before, even on the football field. Part of this is the amount of exposure and cameras everywhere. I don’t see Daboll’s style working very well with younger players. Daboll in the booth allows him some space from Josh after a mistake. The QB coach on the sideline keeps Josh focused and up. Daboll can rip Josh in the film room the next day away from cameras. Edited October 28, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Daboll moved down to the sidelines after the Colts game last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Daboll moved down to the sidelines after the Colts game last year Ok. My bad. Well that game last year was the Colts ‘get right’ game. Kind of like yesterday may turn out to be the Eagles. It just doesn’t seem to be working this year. Play calling has not been great. Maybe the change up will help. Edited October 28, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I don’t think it matters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I don’t think it matters I don't see how it can hurt. He might be quicker to adjust his scheme if he can get the aerial view of what's happening as it happens. And I agree that at times, I think he's not constructive with Josh at times on the sideline. He had a reputation at one point for "losing it" and just becoming an over the top screamer in Cleveland. Sometimes "calm breeds calm" is needed. Last year we didn't have a "real" QB coach he could depend upon, this year supposedly we do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't see how it can hurt. He might be quicker to adjust his scheme if he can get the aerial view of what's happening as it happens. And I agree that at times, I think he's not constructive with Josh at times on the sideline. He had a reputation at one point for "losing it" and just becoming an "over the top screamer". Last year we didn't have a "real" QB coach he could depend upon, this year supposedly we do. He’s been a bad OC every chance he’s gotten in the NFL. This is probably just who he is regardless of where he’s sitting. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The ‘penalty’ box? ? * I wonder if Chan is doing anything? Then again, he’s probably back fixing up the General Lee for the Duke cousins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He’s been a bad OC every chance he’s gotten in the NFL. This is probably just who he is regardless of where he’s sitting. You may be right, but it seems like something it couldn't hurt to try. Daboll puzzles me, as I've said elsewhere. At times, he has very well designed plays. At times, he makes clever use of personnel. At other times - Aye Carumba! Overall he reminds me of the coaching version of Whaley's roster. It's not that Whaley didn't bring in talented players. He did. (He whiffed on some, but so does every GM including Beane). It's just that the sum total of the players and roster Whaley assembled never formed a complete team. I think McDermott really needs to mix it in more on the O side of the ball and give his perspective from the D side into the play and gameplan design. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) This will solve Josh's issues to read and throw in rhythm? Edited October 28, 2019 by mattynh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Was in the stadium and haven't watched the telecast. Was Daboll berating Allen yesterday on camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Or go get a true #1 WR 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I'm losing faith in Daboll. His playcalling has been erratic this season (I'd say 40% positive plays, 60% negative). I do think that Daboll should go upstairs as it might help him with his playcalling. The first offensive series, Philly's D was stacked at the line waiting for the run, but the Bills still went ahead and tried to pound it out which was mindboggling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Jerry Jabber said: I'm losing faith in Daboll. His playcalling has been erratic this season (I'd say 40% positive plays, 60% negative). I do think that Daboll should go upstairs as it might help him with his playcalling. The first offensive series, Philly's D was stacked at the line waiting for the run, but the Bills still went ahead and tried to pound it out which was mindboggling. This, The Bills need a true #1 WR so teams will respect the pass and stop stacking the box 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Or go get a true #1 WR That would also help, plus another pass catching TE. I think Brown would be a great #2 WR, Beasley #3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I think a big problem is not using Singletary enough, and even when they do bring him in, it's easy to see what's coming. Swing passes, outside runs. When Gore is in, you know the ball is being run up the middle. When Singletary is in, the ball is going outside. too predictable with personnel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You may be right, but it seems like something it couldn't hurt to try. Daboll puzzles me, as I've said elsewhere. At times, he has very well designed plays. At times, he makes clever use of personnel. At other times - Aye Carumba! Overall he reminds me of the coaching version of Whaley's roster. It's not that Whaley didn't bring in talented players. He did. (He whiffed on some, but so does every GM including Beane). It's just that the sum total of the players and roster Whaley assembled never formed a complete team. I think McDermott really needs to mix it in more on the O side of the ball and give his perspective from the D side into the play and gameplan design. In the box or on the sidelines, I don’t expect the results to be any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: In the box or on the sidelines, I don’t expect the results to be any different. You've already made that point, and I already acknowledged you may be right, but a move seems like something it couldn't hurt to try. Perhaps there is some new information or a counter argument you would like to advance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You've already made that point, and I already acknowledged you may be right, but a move seems like something it couldn't hurt to try. Perhaps there is some new information or a counter argument you would like to advance? A counter to argument to what? I’m not against Daboll calling games from the box. There’s nothing to argue or no new information to discuss. Where an OC calls a game from comes down to personal preference. Edited October 28, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I remember hearing that Daboll was going to move down to the field for games this year over the summer. At first I thought this was a good idea IF he and Josh have a good relationship. After watching them through the first half of the season, I don’t believe that’s the case. Id like to see someone who is a bit calmer and more positive as the first interaction Josh has when he comes off the field. Daboll yelling at Josh isn’t good for anyone. Many of us guys 40+ are managing a new generation. It’s not like it was before, even on the football field. Part of this is the amount of exposure and cameras everywhere. I don’t see Daboll’s style working very well with younger players. Daboll in the booth allows him some space from Josh after a mistake. The QB coach on the sideline keeps Josh focused and up. Daboll can rip Josh in the film room the next day away from cameras. I'd put him in a box...outside the stadium with no comms inside 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: This, The Bills need a true #1 WR so teams will respect the pass and stop stacking the box What is a true #1 WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, dneveu said: What is a true #1 WR? Someone with the size and speed and talent to make defense have to respect the passing game. Jerry Jeudy comes to mind from Alabama who would fit this description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said: I'm losing faith in Daboll. His playcalling has been erratic this season (I'd say 40% positive plays, 60% negative). I do think that Daboll should go upstairs as it might help him with his playcalling. The first offensive series, Philly's D was stacked at the line waiting for the run, but the Bills still went ahead and tried to pound it out which was mindboggling. He also seemed to want to run right at Fletcher Cox, you would think running away from their best DL would be a better idea when trying to run 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: The ‘penalty’ box? ? * Put him in the shout box so we can all tell him what an idiot he is in real time! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Put him in the shout box so we can all tell him what an idiot he is in real time! .....WHY?.....some pretty lofty accomplishments as OC elsewhere...... Wikipedia: In 2009, Daboll joined Eric Mangini's staff in Cleveland as offensive coordinator. Under Daboll the Browns had the NFL's 32nd ranked offense in 2009[1] and the 29th ranked offense in 2010.[2] Daboll was named Offensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins under Tony Sparano in 2011, with his Dolphins improving from 30th in the league to 20th in overall offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: Or go get a true #1 WR Or QB, or OL, or DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, dneveu said: What is a true #1 WR? Who knows at this point? Whenever people talk about having a #1 WR they always point to the elite WRs as examples. If you’re holding out hope of finding the next Julio Jones to pair with Allen then good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Many of us guys 40+ are managing a new generation. It’s not like it was before, even on the football field. How many times a week do you give unsolicited rants about participation trophies and smartphones? Also, how often do you use the following words without irony: Libtard Snowflake Haha, so Triggered Edited October 28, 2019 by The Real Buffalo Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Who knows at this point? Whenever people talk about having a #1 WR they always point to the elite WRs as examples. If you’re holding out hope of finding the next Julio Jones to pair with Allen then good luck. That's what I mean... Is Edelman a 1? Or kupp? What about Godwin or juju? Keenan Allen? Tyler lockett? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: How many times a week do you give unsolicited rants about participation trophies and smartphones? Also, how often do you use the following words without irony: Libtard Snowflake Haha, so Triggered I don’t. The point was that the previous ways of managing young men has changed. It’s changed everywhere. The football field might be one of the last places to see the change, but it’s happening. Daboll losing his cool won’t be received very well for very long. Edited October 28, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 "THE BOX" sounds like you want to torture him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: "THE BOX" sounds like you want to torture him I'm ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I don’t. The point was that the previous ways of managing young men has changed. It’s changed everywhere. The football field might be one of the last places to see the change, but it’s happening. Daboll losing his cool won’t be received very well for very long. I get what you mean. It has always been a bad idea to increase the stress level of a person who is already not performing well under stress. It is a bad idea and a sign of bad coaching. Always has been - always will be. Humans haven't changed. It might be effective if you are punishing a player for lack of effort (like a guy taking plays off or being afraid to make a tackle). But if the effort is there and the player is not executing, increasing his stress will likely result in even worse performance. It is the wrong approach in my opinion and shows lack of emotional control. I expect the yelling approach would be even more counterproductive for a position like quarterback. And for a coaching staff promoting the ways of stoicism, it is about as anti-stoic as you can get. Dabol is no stoic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, PolishDave said: I get what you mean. It has always been a bad idea to increase the stress level of a person who is already not performing well under stress. It is a bad idea and a sign of bad coaching. Always has been - always will be. Humans haven't changed. It might be effective if you are punishing a player for lack of effort (like a guy taking plays off or being afraid to make a tackle). But if the effort is there and the player is not executing, increasing his stress will likely result in even worse performance. It is the wrong approach in my opinion and shows lack of emotional control. I expect the yelling approach would be even more counterproductive for a position like quarterback. And for a coaching staff promoting the ways of stoicism, it is about as anti-stoic as you can get. Dabol is no stoic. Very well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .....WHY?.....some pretty lofty accomplishments as OC elsewhere...... Wikipedia: In 2009, Daboll joined Eric Mangini's staff in Cleveland as offensive coordinator. Under Daboll the Browns had the NFL's 32nd ranked offense in 2009[1] and the 29th ranked offense in 2010.[2] Daboll was named Offensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins under Tony Sparano in 2011, with his Dolphins improving from 30th in the league to 20th in overall offense LOL right? This choice is looking more and more strange every week. Fun Fact: 17 NFL TE's have at least 21 catches. The Bills 4 TE's, combined, have 21 catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Cardboard or pine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: "THE BOX" sounds like you want to torture him I thought it meant putting him on the D-line (as in "stacking the box") to defend against the run. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I remember hearing that Daboll was going to move down to the field for games this year over the summer. At first I thought this was a good idea IF he and Josh have a good relationship. After watching them through the first half of the season, I don’t believe that’s the case. Id like to see someone who is a bit calmer and more positive as the first interaction Josh has when he comes off the field. Daboll yelling at Josh isn’t good for anyone. Many of us guys 40+ are managing a new generation. It’s not like it was before, even on the football field. Part of this is the amount of exposure and cameras everywhere. I don’t see Daboll’s style working very well with younger players. Daboll in the booth allows him some space from Josh after a mistake. The QB coach on the sideline keeps Josh focused and up. Daboll can rip Josh in the film room the next day away from cameras. Seriously? How about designated safe space booths on the sidelines? I mean just in case fans boo and coaches yell. Dabol is doing poorly without consideration to yelling which I have never heard to be a problem. His playcalling and preparation are what is under scrutiny. Edited October 28, 2019 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 hours ago, dneveu said: What is a true #1 WR? Micheal Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: LOL right? This choice is looking more and more strange every week. Fun Fact: 17 NFL TE's have at least 21 catches. The Bills 4 TE's, combined, have 21 catches. ...pretty sad when it looks like we could have TWO good kids in Knox & Sweeney......Dabumble lasted two years with Mangini in Cleveland and then the regime change......one year with Sporano/Fins and then out....one year with Crennell in KC and not retained.....guy is traveled like the NBA's Larry Brown....last year he got a pass due to "the personnel"......despite upgrades on the offense, must STILL be "the personnel" because you cannot question his pedigree, right??............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...pretty sad when it looks like we could have TWO good kids in Knox & Sweeney......Dabumble lasted two years with Mangini in Cleveland and then the regime change......one year with Sporano/Fins and then out....one year with Crennell in KC and not retained.....guy is traveled like the NBA's Larry Brown....last year he got a pass due to "the personnel"......despite upgrades on the offense, must STILL be "the personnel" because you cannot question his pedigree, right??............. Larry Brown coached and won at every level. Daboll is the guy in the back row of every team staff picture ("from left..."). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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