dorquemada Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Is terrible. This is several weeks in a row now where they've gotten gashed in the middle of the line. Edmunds is consistently out of position or gets blown off the play. What a disappointment. Would he be better outside and get a more traditional run stopping linebacker in the middle? Also, where the heck was Star all day? They need help if they're going to contend for anything because Miami and Philly gave every remaining opponent a very simple plan on how to beat the 2019 Bills, and it's run up the middle until your RBs puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Weak, need size and girth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Oliver and Edmunds are very concerning. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Helpmenow said: Weak, need size and girth They drafted an undersized DT, this is what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Dont forget Harrison Phillips on IR. That really stung the most on my opinion. That was his role. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Has been a problem since the Darius trade. Edited October 27, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Seven-N-Nine said: They drafted an undersized DT, this is what you get. But their "space eater" is a B word too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 This is 2 weeks in a row, yes vs Miami to, physically abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 It's a sieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Exposed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) Tremaine reverted to last years form. Star is invisible and should be charged with grand larceny by terry, Edited October 27, 2019 by Haze_21 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I'll tell you what i think and its probably going to get me flamed...Frazier is whats wrong..he constantly has our lbers drop too far from the los allowing for wide open cut backs in the middle of the field once the rb gets past the front 4...his soft approach to the cover 2 also drops our safeties back into two deep looks with no run support help....Frazier plays scared and his whole philosophy of play safe and then tighten in scoring range is flawed...it allows teams with good olines and running game to dictate the flow of the game and gasses our defense. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We have two 1 Tech run stuffers who can't stop the run. We have a MLB who lives in the wrong gap and when he is in the right gap gets knocked back 5 yards with contact. And Micah Hyde had probably his worst game as a Bill. Meanwhile the pass rush on Wentz's first 20 dropbacks had 9 pressures, 3 hurries and a sack. Yes the pass rush tired as the game went on they were on the field too much. The first half and a bit Lawson, Phillips and Oliver were causing Wentz to throw out of rhythm. And that is just the defense. I will get to the offense later. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Peko is not the answer. I’d like to get a look at Big Vinny on the practice squad. Supposedly his strength is against the run. Hated the the Peko call up at the time and I hate it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Same problem that has haunted this d for years. Getting off the field when you need a stop. Shame on Beane and McDermott for the Star signing and not realizing the need for another big body run stuffer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: They drafted an undersized DT, this is what you get. Finesse guy not major size. This is how their built Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Yup and that starts at DT. Our vaunted first round pick is ***** and that's being mean to *****. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Our middle D was horrible again. Star is a waste. Our rookie DT is undersized however with a quality space eater next to him he could do a lot of damage penetrating. We don't seem to have a quality space eater. Tremain's reverted to his old ways and was guessing wrong a lot of the time. That coupled with a lack of a pass rush left our 3rd down defense exposed. This team is a lot of work to do because the blueprint on how to beat us is pretty well laid bare. We cannot rely on our offense to do much. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: We have two 1 Tech run stuffers who can't stop the run. We have a MLB who lives in the wrong gap and when he is in the right gap gets knocked back 5 yards with contact. And Micah Hyde had probably his worst game as a Bill. Meanwhile the pass rush on Wentz's first 20 dropbacks had 9 pressures, 3 hurries and a sack. Yes the pass rush tired as the game went on they were on the field too much. The first half and a bit Lawson, Phillips and Oliver were causing Wentz to throw out of rhythm. And that is just the defense. I will get to the offense later. Once game tape is available I would be interested to see which DT was the liability in run game, major concern now for the defense if they can’t play run downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Trade for a big run stuffer, you should be able to find one. Poe from the Falcons would be a good target. Star is not getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yup and that starts at DT. Our vaunted first round pick is ***** and that's being mean to *****. He isn't even the worst first rounder on the defense.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) We need to commit our lbers and safeties in run support more often..we need a totally new base defense other than cover two....i hate that defense with a passion..teams have long since firgured it out Edited October 27, 2019 by Billever76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: He isn't even the worst first rounder on the defense.... You're wrong. Period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: Once game tape is available I would be interested to see which DT was the liability in run game, major concern now for the defense if they can’t play run downs Well Peko was ***** useless. Star was taken out of the play and yes, Oliver did not hold up great. But a lot of those long run lead drives Oliver wasn't even out there. This was not a good week for you to die on the Star hill. Just now, Joe in Winslow said: You're wrong. Period. No. You are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Peko is not the answer. I’d like to get a look at Big Vinny on the practice squad. Supposedly his strength is against the run. Hated the the Peko call up at the time and I hate it now. Felt the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Well Peko was ***** useless. Star was taken out of the play and yes, Oliver did not hold up great. But a lot of those long run lead drives Oliver wasn't even out there. This was not a good week for you to die on the Star hill. No. You are. We’ll see. I have a feeling you’re going to be surprised. I was only watching DT today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, TheProcess said: Peko is not the answer. I’d like to get a look at Big Vinny on the practice squad. Supposedly his strength is against the run. Hated the the Peko call up at the time and I hate it now. If Peko is still here next week I would be surprised. Nice story. Nice guy. Bad football player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Well Peko was ***** useless. Star was taken out of the play and yes, Oliver did not hold up great. But a lot of those long run lead drives Oliver wasn't even out there. This was not a good week for you to die on the Star hill. No. You are. The ***** I am. I sat in the rain and watched him make NO IMPACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: We’ll see. I have a feeling you’re going to be surprised. I was only watching DT today We have seen. It was ugly. Go watch the Sanders run. He runs right where Star has come from. To be honest I'd trade for a run stuffing MLB. I am done with Edmunds at that spot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Kuechly wouldn't let this kinda $#!+ happen.... Put him in the middle and Edmunds and Milano on weak and strong side, Lorax can rush on 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: The ***** I am. I sat in the rain and watched him make NO IMPACT. Joe, you're just pissed you sat in the rain. It was a shite display across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) I haven’t been quick to throw in with the Star is awful crowd, but the dude has been invisible this year. Except when he’s being guided away from the play. I’m not real sure about the earlier games (wasn’t paying attention), but the guy has been pretty awful at least the last two games. Edited October 27, 2019 by TheProcess 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We have seen. It was ugly. Go watch the Sanders run. He runs right where Star has come from. To be honest I'd trade for a run stuffing MLB. I am done with Edmunds at that spot. Edmunds can play so much better than he has last 2 weeks And we need more DT talent across the board. Every time I see a guy penetrating and taking himself out of the play I want to scream. That’s not what McD wants out of that position at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Weak, need size and girth I got a great idea! Let’s spend another first round pick on a defensive player! Problem solved... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 That's been true all along. I know the Bills website has been gaslighting the fanbase about Allen and Edmunds because we gave up so much to get them, but the sad truth is that neither of them is very good. Oliver has been a disappointment and I see no upward trend with him. He has been invisible all year. Jordan Phillips is the ONLY DT on this team that is playing well at all. Murphy is awful too. I really think Beane is the biggest problem at OBD. For all the accolades he got in the offseason, the fact remains that he hasn't drafted well at all. His FA signings aren't all that impressive either. This is just 1 loss, but we've had such an easy schedule and have struggled to beat poor teams. The Eagles exposed us as a very beatable team today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, stony said: Joe, you're just pissed you sat in the rain. It was a shite display across the board. No I'm pissed our "pass rushing" DT can't ***** record a sack. He's like a vestigial tail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We have a MLB who lives in the wrong gap and when he is in the right gap gets knocked back 5 yards with contact. This really is the issue. On casual observation, it seemed like every drive, Edmunds got caught in the wrong gap (or willingly charged into the wrong gap) several times. Like he single handedly kept several drives alive for Philly. I hope he gets a game ball from them, along with Dabol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 We will find a way to rebound and get to 10 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: That's been true all along. I know the Bills website has been gaslighting the fanbase about Allen and Edmunds because we gave up so much to get them, but the sad truth is that neither of them is very good. Oliver has been a disappointment and I see no upward trend with him. He has been invisible all year. Jordan Phillips is the ONLY DT on this team that is playing well at all. Murphy is awful too. I really think Beane is the biggest problem at OBD. For all the accolades he got in the offseason, the fact remains that he hasn't drafted well at all. His FA signings aren't all that impressive either. This is just 1 loss, but we've had such an easy schedule and have struggled to beat poor teams. The Eagles exposed us as a very beatable team today. Worse yet, now the rest of our opponents have a really simple roadmap: run the ball up the middle against the charmin soft middle of our D. I hate it because it makes for an unwatchable game. Opponents will hold the ball for 40 minutes, rush for 200+ yards, and the D will be completely winded by halftime. I'm pretty disappointed in Allen too. We got all the crappy play we've come to expect over the first 3 quarters, with none of the heroball of the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We have seen. It was ugly. Go watch the Sanders run. He runs right where Star has come from. To be honest I'd trade for a run stuffing MLB. I am done with Edmunds at that spot. Edmunds isnt used in that way by frazier...frazier is misusing talent and its sooo frustrating to see...frazier is asking his lbers to drop back into soft zones 8 to 10 yards downfield...like wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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