Delusional Bills Optimist Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: So the link doesn't work but with a quick google search, 6 weeks recovery time. I did the same thing when I couldn't get the link to work. The game's been so bad, I went back to my google search and read one of the articles about returning to sports after a patella dislocation. According to this paper, 6 weeks seems like it would be a miracle...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4169614/ Return to sport after nonsurgical treatment "A safe return to sport implies that lesions of the knee have healed and the injured lower limb has adequately recovered to face the demands of sporting activities. Successful return to sport implies: (1) no early re-injury; (2) no further damage to the knee; (3) return to the preinjury or higher level; (4) no limiting pain; (5) still playing after 5 years; and (6) no early osteoarthrosis. A comprehensive return to sport decision-making process should be based upon: (1) clinical examination; (2) evaluation of laxity; (3) strength measurement; (4) neuromuscular evaluation; and (5) counselling with the physical conditioner and coach for professional athletes. As regards the patellofemoral joint, the challenge is that the patella is a sesamoid bone enclosed within the extensor mechanism of the lower limb. Its function is closely associated with dynamic muscle activity while retaining its osseous and soft tissue static elements [26]. Atkin et al. [3] followed 74 patients (37 men, 37 women) after a first dislocation that was treated conservatively. Preinjury sports activity was similar to that of patients with primary anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury [10]. Patients were authorized to return to sports after they regained full passive range of motion, had no effusion, and when quadriceps muscle strength was at least 80 % of the noninjured limb. Patients regained range of motion after 6 weeks. Sports participation was limited during the first 6 months after injury, with difficulties in squatting and kneeling. At 6 months, 58 % of patients noted limitations in strenuous activity, but no recurrence was recorded. Sillampaa et al. [32] reported that the return to preinjury activity level varied between 44 % and 60 % regardless of the modality of treatment after the first dislocation." Also... "Patellofemoral instability may occur in a young population as a result of injury during sporting activities. This review focuses on return to sport after one episode of dislocation treated no[n]-operatively and as well after surgery for chronic patellofemoral instability. With or without surgery, only two-thirds of patients return to sports at the same level as prior to injury." Scary stuff for a relatively uncommon injury... Edited October 18, 2019 by Delusional Bills Optimist typo in quote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: if he’s bad enough that you can’t call such a simple play- you have to ask if he should be out there at all. It’s not that risky. that said- I don’t know if it’s even related to the injury or simply a freak accident I don't recall a QB ever suffering a major knee injury on a QB sneak. I think it was really terrible luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Man I don’t wish injury on anyone’s team. Crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: KC should try to trade for Fitzpatrick Before Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: KC should try to trade for Fitzpatrick Eli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Brady partially tore his MCL last year and played through it There is still some hope for KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I bet he’s Back Nov 3 with a knee brace But is he Mahomes then? He’s been immobile the past two weeks and they have lost. He has had subpar numbers, especially as far as he’s concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yowza. He's lucky if he didn't tear any of the CLs but he has to be out at least 6 weeks id imagine or he is at risk to dislocate it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: KC should try to trade for Fitzpatrick TONIGHT! I want to play against Rosen! The Battle of the Josh’s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlezero Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Eli? Cam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I bet he’s Back Nov 3 with a knee brace How much??? I'll bet ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: if he’s bad enough that you can’t call such a simple play- you have to ask if he should be out there at all. It’s not that risky. that said- I don’t know if it’s even related to the injury or simply a freak accident Probably a freak accident. If a sneak was that risky, Brady's knees would have been shot by now given the number of times they run that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 If he can come back they need to get someone who can win a few games and keep the season alive. Eli or Fitz fit that bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 We have as many webMD doctors on this board as we do arm chair quarterbacks! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Madden curse strikes again I guess you just had to copy and paste what I already posted. Like I’ve said before I need to start copywriting my post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: We have as many webMD doctors on this board as we do arm chair quarterbacks! But we have more lawyers than both of those put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I bet he’s Back Nov 3 with a knee brace Can we wait on mri results before I take you up on the bet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, singlezero said: Cam? Bet Reid could do interesting things with Cam for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I don't recall a QB ever suffering a major knee injury on a QB sneak. I think it was really terrible luck. agreed. It seems very presumptuous to imply the the two injuries are linked, yet alone declare it certain as the post I quoted did. Any given drop back was likely higher risk than that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: But we have more lawyers than both of those put together. You know what they say about lawyers: if it wasn’t for lawyers, we wouldn’t need lawyers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delusional Bills Optimist Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: We have as many webMD doctors on this board as we do arm chair quarterbacks! I get it, and normally I tend to avoid speculation about injuries, but the first thing that came to mind for me was Victor Cruz. I think he had a patellar tendon injury and I don't think he ever came back all the way afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 If Mahomes is truly out for a few weeks the Chiefs need to sign a QB. Matt Moore is awful. They won’t win one game with him at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: If Mahomes is truly out for a few weeks the Chiefs need to sign a QB. Matt Moore is awful. They won’t win one game with him at the helm. They’ll likely win tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: If Mahomes is truly out for a few weeks the Chiefs need to sign a QB. Matt Moore is awful. They won’t win one game with him at the helm. he doesn’t have to be good. Just distribute and avoid turnovers. He’s not great but he’s shown he can get by on par with backups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Moore always looks angry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Royale with Cheese Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Delusional Bills Optimist said: I did the same thing when I couldn't get the link to work. The game's been so bad, I went back to my google search and read one of the articles about returning to sports after a patella dislocation. According to this paper, 6 weeks seems like it would be a miracle...https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4169614/ Return to sport after nonsurgical treatment "A safe return to sport implies that lesions of the knee have healed and the injured lower limb has adequately recovered to face the demands of sporting activities. Successful return to sport implies: (1) no early re-injury; (2) no further damage to the knee; (3) return to the preinjury or higher level; (4) no limiting pain; (5) still playing after 5 years; and (6) no early osteoarthrosis. A comprehensive return to sport decision-making process should be based upon: (1) clinical examination; (2) evaluation of laxity; (3) strength measurement; (4) neuromuscular evaluation; and (5) counselling with the physical conditioner and coach for professional athletes. As regards the patellofemoral joint, the challenge is that the patella is a sesamoid bone enclosed within the extensor mechanism of the lower limb. Its function is closely associated with dynamic muscle activity while retaining its osseous and soft tissue static elements [26]. Atkin et al. [3] followed 74 patients (37 men, 37 women) after a first dislocation that was treated conservatively. Preinjury sports activity was similar to that of patients with primary anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury [10]. Patients were authorized to return to sports after they regained full passive range of motion, had no effusion, and when quadriceps muscle strength was at least 80 % of the noninjured limb. Patients regained range of motion after 6 weeks. Sports participation was limited during the first 6 months after injury, with difficulties in squatting and kneeling. At 6 months, 58 % of patients noted limitations in strenuous activity, but no recurrence was recorded. Sillampaa et al. [32] reported that the return to preinjury activity level varied between 44 % and 60 % regardless of the modality of treatment after the first dislocation." Also... "Patellofemoral instability may occur in a young population as a result of injury during sporting activities. This review focuses on return to sport after one episode of dislocation treated no[n]-operatively and as well after surgery for chronic patellofemoral instability. With or without surgery, only two-thirds of patients return to sports at the same level as prior to injury." Scary stuff for a relatively uncommon injury... OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Delusional Bills Optimist said: I get it, and normally I tend to avoid speculation about injuries, but the first thing that came to mind for me was Victor Cruz. I think he had a patellar tendon injury and I don't think he ever came back all the way afterwards. Difference here is you could amputate Mahomes leg and he’d still throw it around the field with ease. His footwork is irrelevant to his accuracy. Antithesis of QB mechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I don't recall a QB ever suffering a major knee injury on a QB sneak. I think it was really terrible luck. Indeed. Anyone blaming Andy Reid for that is crazy. Belicheat regularly let's Brady* run those---even when he's been on the weekly injury list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: he doesn’t have to be good. Just distribute and avoid turnovers. He’s not great but he’s shown he can get by on par with backups I don’t think the Chiefs defense is anywhere near good enough to get by with Matt Moore acting as a game manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: You guys know he's not a Dr right? He just regularly visits the Holiday inn ? He’s not a Dr, but he is a physical therapist and he pretty much knows this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: I guess you just had to copy and paste what I already posted. Like I’ve said before I need to start copywriting my post. I actually didn’t read through the thread before I posted but its a thought I’m sure many people had 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Difference here is you could amputate Mahomes leg and he’d still throw it around the field with ease. His footwork is irrelevant to his accuracy. Antithesis of QB mechanics. Eh, he might get by, but he isn’t the game breaker without his mobility. His mobility coupled with his ability to throw from any platform is what makes him truly unique. The game plan to beat a 100% Mahomes is to keep him in the pocket. He would be doing that himself with limited mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Has anyone checked on Zerovoltz or Jeffismagic? We may need to put a net beneath the ledge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: If he can come back they need to get someone who can win a few games and keep the season alive. Eli or Fitz fit that bill What about Mariota? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Man I don’t wish injury on anyone’s team. Crazy Yeah it sucks, and it being friendly fire makes it even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Delusional Bills Optimist said: I get it, and normally I tend to avoid speculation about injuries, but the first thing that came to mind for me was Victor Cruz. I think he had a patellar tendon injury and I don't think he ever came back all the way afterwards. Cruz ruptured his patellar tendon, something that I've done twice. (My special talent from the Big Guy upstairs apparently) It can be a career ender. Worse prognosis than an ACL tear by far. Mahomes did something completely different. A dislocated patella is no where near as serious. If it was one of us, we would be back at work on Monday in a brace, but we don't have to run for our lives from freaks of nature who weigh 275 pounds and can run a 4.6 forty intent on pile driving us into the ground if they can catch us. He will be out for a couple weeks and probably in a brace for the rest of the year if there is no other structural damage. Edited October 18, 2019 by Inigo Montoya 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, The Dean said: Indeed. Anyone blaming Andy Reid for that is crazy. Belicheat regularly let's Brady* run those---even when he's been on the weekly injury list. They showed the injury replay 4 times... I couldn’t even tell which legs were his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 This is a rather ugly game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Are the Broncos even playing with an offensive line tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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