Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[london_bills]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses. He's going to have to be a lot better.

Yeah I wanna see how he's does against teams like the cowboys, ravens, steelers, pats

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fans need to remember Allen criticism is constructive criticism, at least from me. There is obvious talent both physically and mentally to develop. Long way to go though.

 

Curious - how is "Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses." constructive criticism?

It seems like a negative projected outlook to me.

 

Likewise how is a statement like "My bank account goes from $1 to $2 am I rich? According to you I must be. I mean look at the improvement. 100% improvement." constructive?  It seems like a flawed analogy.  If a QB's completion percentage takes an 8% jump from his first to his second year, that's actually quite impressive, especially since it includes two games where he played badly against tough defenses.  How is analogizing it to $2 in your bank account constructive?

 

I could continue, but I guess my point is if you honestly believe your criticism of Allen is constructive you might want to look at what that means to you.

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Every way? What about redzone TD % where the Bills lead the league?

And where do they rank in scoring?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Curious - how is "Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses." constructive criticism?

It seems like a negative projected outlook to me.

 

Likewise how is a statement like "My bank account goes from $1 to $2 am I rich? According to you I must be. I mean look at the improvement. 100% improvement." constructive?  It seems like a flawed analogy.  If a QB's completion percentage takes an 8% jump from his first to his second year, that's actually quite impressive, especially since it includes two games where he played badly against tough defenses.  How is analogizing it to $2 in your bank account constructive?

 

I could continue, but I guess my point is if you honestly believe your criticism of Allen is constructive you might want to look at what that means to you.

Comparing Allen to Allen is pointless. Allen is not the standard.

 

 

1 minute ago, DCofNC said:

And where do they rank in scoring?

Because they're near the bottom of the league in redzone appearances.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Comparing Allen to Allen is pointless. Allen is not the standard.

 

You didn't answer my question.  You assert that any Allen criticism from you is constructive.  I asked you how are the quoted things constructive?  Original post italicized below.  If you want to compare Allen to someone else vs himself, fine, but you still need to explain how the $1 to $2 analogy is constructive.

 

Curious - how is "Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses." constructive criticism?

It seems like a negative projected outlook to me.

 

Likewise how is a statement like "My bank account goes from $1 to $2 am I rich? According to you I must be. I mean look at the improvement. 100% improvement." constructive?  It seems like a flawed analogy.  If a QB's completion percentage takes an 8% jump from his first to his second year, that's actually quite impressive, especially since it includes two games where he played badly against tough defenses.  How is analogizing it to $2 in your bank account constructive?

 

I could continue, but I guess my point is if you honestly believe your criticism of Allen is constructive you might want to look at what that means to you.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You didn't answer my question.  You assert that any Allen criticism from you is constructive.  I asked you how are the quoted things constructive?  Original post italicized below. 

 

Curious - how is "Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses." constructive criticism?

It seems like a negative projected outlook to me.

 

Likewise how is a statement like "My bank account goes from $1 to $2 am I rich? According to you I must be. I mean look at the improvement. 100% improvement." constructive?  It seems like a flawed analogy.  If a QB's completion percentage takes an 8% jump from his first to his second year, that's actually quite impressive, especially since it includes two games where he played badly against tough defenses.  How is analogizing it to $2 in your bank account constructive?

 

I could continue, but I guess my point is if you honestly believe your criticism of Allen is constructive you might want to look at what that means to you.

Saying his numbers will drop is a prediction. His numbers aren't good when compared to the league but I fear they will regress. 

 

 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

59 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Let me guess you part of the group that thinks because he hasn't thrown for 300 yards yet he sucks, amiright?

No I think the OC & coaching staff have no idea how the game is played in 2019, have terrible, schemes, playcalling & philosophy along with have training wheels on Allen like he is a 6th round rookie draft pick playing only because your starter & back-up are injured (i.e. Pittsburgh).

 

It's time to have Allen (and the offense) go out and score 35 points & play 4 quarters & not play the game between the 20's and expect the defense (or missed fgs) to win a game 14-7.

 

The Bills need to see what they have in Allen long term and quit playing like this is the 70's.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Saying his numbers will drop is a prediction. His numbers aren't good when compared to the league but I fear they will regress.

 

"huge drop"  Not "I fear because..."  but "will"   Nothing about why you believe that to be the case.  How is that constructive?

 

We see a lot of over the top criticism here, I'm just curious when I see someone defending it as "constructive".  I don't think you know what that means.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

No I think the OC & coaching staff have no idea how the game is played in 2019, have terrible, schemes, playcalling & philosophy along with have training wheels on Allen like he is a 6th round rookie draft pick playing only because your starter & back-up are injured (i.e. Pittsburgh).

 

It's time to have Allen (and the offense) go out and score 35 points & play 4 quarters & not play the game between the 20's and expect the defense (or missed fgs) to win a game 14-7.

 

The Bills need to see what they have in Allen long term and quit playing like this is the 70's.

 

All right.  This is getting tiring.  I'll ask this question.  If your team is playing a defense that struggles against the run, should you run the ball to win?  Or be stubborn and pass the ball just to gain a certain number of passing yards?

You are like a dog with a bone that can't let go.  Teams need to do what they need to do to win games.  You have said repeatedly you're more wanting to be entertained than to win.  The perhaps instead of watching games on Sundays you should go to the movies. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I think the OC & coaching staff have no idea how the game is played in 2019, have terrible, schemes, playcalling & philosophy along with have training wheels on Allen like he is a 6th round rookie draft pick playing only because your starter & back-up are injured (i.e. Pittsburgh).

 

It's time to have Allen (and the offense) go out and score 35 points & play 4 quarters & not play the game between the 20's and expect the defense (or missed fgs) to win a game 14-7.

 

The Bills need to see what they have in Allen long term and quit playing like this is the 70's.

 

 

Actually I think the opposite is true and is part of what we're seeing.  I think they don't have a limited play sheet and aren't designing "training wheels" plays for Allen.  I think Daboll is expecting him to manage the play calls, route variations, and OL protection calls for a very very complicated offense, one John Brown referenced as "the most complicated I've played in".

 

I think that's part of the problem.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses. He's going to have to be a lot better.

Pray tell.   Which of these have a "better" defenses? 

 

Buffalo's Total Defense Stats - All NFL - Total Yards ranks #3.   

Buffalo's Total Defense Stats - All NFL  - Points Per Game ranks #3.  

 

The following teams in bold are in the top 10 in most categories. 

REMAINING OPPONENTS: at Browns (2-6), at Dolphins (1-7), vs. Broncos (3-6), at Cowboys (5-3), vs. Ravens (6-2), at Steelers (4-4), at Patriots (8-1), vs. Jets (1-7)

 

 

Homework Grade - D minus.

Report Grade  - F for failure to do research. 

The Cowboys lost to the JETS.  They played poorly until a black cat wandered onto the field and offset the Giants lead. 

 

The Ravens will be a tough game (NOW there is a QB you should be bitching about)

 

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

And where do they rank in scoring?

 

22nd I believe. But the point was you can't say the offense is awful at everything when it leads the league in redzone TD %.

[Teddy KGB]

56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen's numbers will take huge drop in the 2nd half of the season because he faces better defenses.

 

Hey look it’s a bunch of ?????

[Billsfan1972]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Actually I think the opposite is true and is part of what we're seeing.  I think they don't have a limited play sheet and aren't designing "training wheels" plays for Allen.  I think Daboll is expecting him to manage the play calls, route variations, and OL protection calls for a very very complicated offense, one John Brown referenced as "the most complicated I've played in".

 

I think that's part of the problem.

20 passes a game & under 200 yards with his highest total through 19 games of 253 tells me they are not doing a good job with him.

 

Daboll (along with McD's coaching philosophy) is the problem imo (or so I hope).  

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

My bank account goes from $1 to $2 am I rich? According to you I must be. I mean look at the improvement. 100% improvement.

 

I'm not sure which bank you use, but you're probably looking at some sort of penalty fee for not meeting the minimum balance.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

20 passes a game & under 200 yards with his highest total through 19 games of 253 tells me they are not doing a good job with him.

 

Daboll (along with McD's coaching philosophy) is the problem imo (or so I hope).  

 

I think the problem is that Allen is having to "Think!".  He's got it through his head that this is the NFL, the DBs are faster and more athletic and he can't just sling it all over the field, he has to know what he's really seeing from the defense.  That slows him down and sometimes the window closes before he decides.

 

I believe it would help Allen's numbers now if Daboll were running a simpler offense where there were less for everyone to process, but then when complexity got added we might be in the same place because at some point the pattern recognition would have to advance. 

 

Either Allen will get it, or he won't.  Tyrod never did.  Fitz is spotty - he pulls the trigger fast, but he can be fooled (why he throws so many picks at times).

 

Look at how Romo was as a TV announcer before they reined him in.  He would see a pattern pre snap or a shift and be instantly yelling about what the D was and what play the O should run.  Do you think he was like that his 2nd year?  Pattern recognition is something that takes time to develop.

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

People have unrealistic expectations.  This year is about Josh learning to protect the football and play situational football.  Dont throw dumb picks on 1st and 2nd down.  Learn to take a sack or throw the ball away if need be.  Next year they go out and get a true physical #1 wr to open up John Brown more and slide all the wrs down one peg where they should be. Oh and along the way we have 6 wins and a great shot at playoffs.  I'd consider 2019 a massive success so far.  With the schedule they have there will be some games where he will have to put it up 40 times and we can revisit if he has gotten better with the offense on his back.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think the problem is that Allen is having to "Think!".  He's got it through his head that this is the NFL, the DBs are faster and more athletic and he can't just sling it all over the field, he has to know what he's really seeing from the defense.  That slows him down and sometimes the window closes before he decides.

 

I believe it would help Allen's numbers now if Daboll were running a simpler offense where there were less for everyone to process, but then when complexity got added we might be in the same place because at some point the pattern recognition would have to advance. 

 

Either Allen will get it, or he won't.  Tyrod never did.  Fitz is spotty - he pulls the trigger fast, but he can be fooled (why he throws so many picks at times).

 

Look at how Romo was as a TV announcer before they reined him in.  He would see a pattern pre snap or a shift and be instantly yelling about what the D was and what play the O should run.  Do you think he was like that his 2nd year?  Pattern recognition is something that takes time to develop.

 

 

Watch Mason Rudolph. The Steelers basically have dumbed down that offense to a half field read offense. Allen has a lot on his plate. They ask him to be a franchise QB. It's all part of development IMO. The hope is the game slows down and he makes quicker reads. I have no issues with the offensive coaching. They are allowing Allen to develop.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think the problem is that Allen is having to "Think!".  He's got it through his head that this is the NFL, the DBs are faster and more athletic and he can't just sling it all over the field, he has to know what he's really seeing from the defense.  That slows him down and sometimes the window closes before he decides.

 

I believe it would help Allen's numbers now if Daboll were running a simpler offense where there were less for everyone to process, but then when complexity got added we might be in the same place because at some point the pattern recognition would have to advance. 

 

Either Allen will get it, or he won't.  Tyrod never did.  Fitz is spotty - he pulls the trigger fast, but he can be fooled (why he throws so many picks at times).

 

Look at how Romo was as a TV announcer before they reined him in.  He would see a pattern pre snap or a shift and be instantly yelling about what the D was and what play the O should run.  Do you think he was like that his 2nd year?  Pattern recognition is something that takes time to develop.

 

 

Not disagreeing, however over & over we see every other "okay" QB in the NFL able to put up 300 yards (yes a # recognized in all metrics) fairly early in their careers & Allen only has a few around 250......

 

This is all on Daboll & McD......  

 

For all those preaching the Process & a 4-5 year plan, then the 7th pick and his viability is of paramount importance.

 

Need to see what the Bills have at QB or back to the drawing board.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Allen was dreadful as a rookie. I'm not going to compare Allen to Allen. If that's what you're doing you're doing it wrong.

 

Really? I'm just looking for steady improvement. Every step of the way he has improved. From the beginning of his rookie year to after his injury. From the end of his rookie season to the beginning of this season. From week 4 to week 9 this season. Continual improvement at each stage. As long as he keeps improving I'm happy. If you're comparing him to other QBs you're doing it wrong. He wasn't expected to be a top 10 QB this early in his career.

Edited November 5, 2019 by HappyDays

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

People have unrealistic expectations.  This year is about Josh learning to protect the football and play situational football.  Dont throw dumb picks on 1st and 2nd down.  Learn to take a sack or throw the ball away if need be.  Next year they go out and get a true physical #1 wr to open up John Brown more and slide all the wrs down one peg where they should be. Oh and along the way we have 6 wins and a great shot at playoffs.  I'd consider 2019 a massive success so far.  With the schedule they have there will be some games where he will have to put it up 40 times and we can revisit if he has gotten better with the offense on his back.

And next year a much tougher schedule, which means this year is the year to see what he can do at least against some of the worst teams in the NFL.

 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watch Mason Rudolph. The Steelers basically have dumbed down that offense to a half field read offense. Allen has a lot on his plate. They ask him to be a franchise QB. It's all part of development IMO. The hope is the game slows down and he makes quicker reads. I have no issues with the offensive coaching. They are allowing Allen to develop.

Mason Rudolph was not the 7th pick & was the third string QB (in only because of injuries).  They had no choice but to dumb it down.

 

What a ridiculous comparison.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Not disagreeing, however over & over we see every other "okay" QB in the NFL able to put up 300 yards (yes a # recognized in all metrics) fairly early in their careers & Allen only has a few around 250......

 

This is all on Daboll & McD......  

 

For all those preaching the Process & a 4-5 year plan, then the 7th pick and his viability is of paramount importance.

 

Need to see what the Bills have at QB or back to the drawing board.

 

Please tell me who you consider "every other Okay QB in the NFL"

 

I do agree that we need to see what the Bills have at QB, but I think part of what you're seeing is one strategy to determine that.

[eball]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Need to see what the Bills have at QB or back to the drawing board.

 

I see a guy who is 9-5 in his last 14 starts and hasn't thrown an interception in three games.  I also see a guy who is 3-0 on the road this season and has led multiple 4th quarter comebacks.  I see an ultra competitive player who wants to win above anything else (like, for example, whether he throws for 300 yards or not).

 

What do you see?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And next year a much tougher schedule, which means this year is the year to see what he can do at least against some of the worst teams in the NFL.

 

Mason Rudolph was not the 7th pick & was the third string QB (in only because of injuries).  They had no choice but to dumb it down.

 

What a ridiculous comparison.

What does draft position have to do with anything? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And next year a much tougher schedule

Mason Rudolph was not the 7th pick & was the third string QB (in only because of injuries).  They had no choice but to dumb it down.

What a ridiculous comparison.

 

Mason was talked about pre-draft by some pundits as a potential 1st round pick.  He was rated by NFL Draft Profile (Lance Ziegler, who usually has good points) as 5.66, "chance to become an NFL starter" which is the same rating as Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson (with slightly higher numerical grade at 5.9 and 5.91 respectively)

 

Mason was the #2 on the Pittsburgh depth chart going into this season.  I think you're confusing him with "Duck", the #3 who also got a start when Mason went down.

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Not disagreeing, however over & over we see every other "okay" QB in the NFL able to put up 300 yards (yes a # recognized in all metrics) fairly early in their careers & Allen only has a few around 250......

 

This is all on Daboll & McD......  

 

For all those preaching the Process & a 4-5 year plan, then the 7th pick and his viability is of paramount importance.

 

Need to see what the Bills have at QB or back to the drawing board.

A 300 yard game is completely arbitrary. Do you think there is a single QB in the NFL that cares if they three for 300 yards if they lost the game? It's not a metric worth following. How many 300 yard games does Stafford have? His team has been mediocre or bad for almost his entire career. He throws for 300 yards because he is playing catch up and has to keep slinging it to get back into games.

 

What did we see from Drew Brees once the Saints got good again? His passing stats actually took a dip. They ran the ball more. He didn't have to throw for 5000 yards a season to be competitive.

[Bangarang]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Mason was talked about pre-draft by some pundits as a potential 1st round pick.  He was rated by NFL Draft Profile (Lance Ziegler, who usually has good points) as 5.66, "chance to become an NFL starter" which is the same rating as Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson (with slightly higher numerical grade at 5.9 and 5.91 respectively)

Guys like Matt Barkley and Christian Hackenburg were also talked about going high in the 1st round, with some projecting 1st overall. If pre-draft hype meant anything then guys like Ryan Nassib would have been a 1st round pick as well.

Edited November 5, 2019 by Bangarang

[Billsfan1972]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Please tell me who you consider "every other Okay QB in the NFL"

 

I do agree that we need to see what the Bills have at QB, but I think part of what you're seeing is one strategy to determine that.

41 games without a 300 yard game and no big deal for every NFL QB.

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/300-yard-passing.html

 

Actually show me a starting QB who is a starter who hasn't thrown for 300 in their second season?

 

Again Daboll & McD are the smartest people in the room?

[billsfan1959]

10 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I see a guy who is 9-5 in his last 14 starts and hasn't thrown an interception in three games.  I also see a guy who is 3-0 on the road this season and has led multiple 4th quarter comebacks.  I see an ultra competitive player who wants to win above anything else (like, for example, whether he throws for 300 yards or not).

 

What do you see?

 

All he ever sees is complete failure because Allen is not throwing for 300 yards a game. Period. That is his one and only barometer for success. And if you challenge it in any way, look out. He is a bottomless well of aggressive negativity.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

51 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Pray tell.   Which of these have a "better" defenses? 

 

Buffalo's Total Defense Stats - All NFL - Total Yards ranks #3.   

Buffalo's Total Defense Stats - All NFL  - Points Per Game ranks #3.  

 

The following teams in bold are in the top 10 in most categories. 

REMAINING OPPONENTS: at Browns (2-6), at Dolphins (1-7), vs. Broncos (3-6), at Cowboys (5-3), vs. Ravens (6-2), at Steelers (4-4), at Patriots (8-1), vs. Jets (1-7)

 

The Ravens will be a tough game (NOW there is a QB you should be bitching about)

 

Bitchin' about for what reason?  (I know you're not talking to me)

 

The Ravens and Steelers also have top Ds in some categories - like PA.  Steelers #10.

 

The way I look at it (and I tend to look at points, because that's the bottom line)

We have 8 games left. 

3 are against opponents we already faced - Pats, Jets, Dolphins.  So if we're going to do the "predict future performance by past events" thing, that should be a wash

1 is against an opponent with similar defensive rank than we've already faced - Browns at 20 similar to Bengals at 21

 

That leaves 4 games against opponents ranked #4,#10,#11, and #13 where earlier in the season we had #8,#23,#26,#31.

 

Clearly the degree of difficulty is going to ratchet up for 3-4 of those games.  We will see if some of the learnings about not throwing stupid picks etc have truly taken hold and whether the rest of the team can rein in the dumb penalties.  But a lot depends upon factors beyond Allen's control:

  -how effective a game plan Daboll can draw up to exploit the opponent

  -weather

  -remaining injury free at key positions where we're critically short on depth

 

 

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

All he ever sees is complete failure because Allen is not throwing for 300 yards a game. Period. That is his one and only barometer for success. And if you challenge it in any way, look out. He is a bottomless well of aggressive negativity.

I'm an Allen fan, so quit confusing the point.....  What I want is to see his full potential & ability & 20 passes & 160 yards is not going to get him there. 

 

What was disappointing was when down two scores vs. Philly he was not good. 

[eball]

@Billsfan1972 somebody has to ask the question:  what's more important to you, winning football games or having a 300-yard passer?

[Big Gun]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

41 games without a 300 yard game and no big deal for every NFL QB.

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/300-yard-passing.html

 

Actually show me a starting QB who is a starter who hasn't thrown for 300 in their second season?

 

Again Daboll & McD are the smartest people in the room?

I'm not their biggest fan by any means but they are lightyears smarter than you inside the NFL world! 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

41 games without a 300 yard game and no big deal for every NFL QB.

 

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/300-yard-passing.html

 

Actually show me a starting QB who is a starter who hasn't thrown for 300 in their second season?

 

Again Daboll & McD are the smartest people in the room?

 

I can't even figure out what this means.  Mango did a very thorough analysis of this in another thread.  If you wish to contribute to the "how important are 300 yd games really and when?" perhaps go there?

 

13 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Guys like Matt Barkley and Christian Hackenburg were also talked about going high in the 1st round, with some projecting 1st overall. If pre-draft hype meant anything then guys like Ryan Nassib would have been a 1st round pick as well.

 

Correct, and many 1st round picks don't succeed in the NFL either, while guys picked later on do.  The point is that Mason Rudolph is not chopped liver - he was a star from a big college program and highly regarded pre-draft.  His 3rd round status is not a reason to simplify the playbook for him.

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can't even figure out what this means

 

Mango did a very thorough analysis of this in another thread.

And I've commented there & today that every QB does it (usually within 8-10 games at worst).  The fact the Bills have gone 41 without is amazing.

 

This team is .500 over those games have been blown out multiple times & shown they really can't come back (save NYJ) or be competitive when the other team scores over 20 points. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And I've commented there & today that every QB does it (usually within 8-10 games at worst).  The fact the Bills have gone 41 without is amazing.

 

This team is .500 over those games have been blown out multiple times & shown they really can't come back (save NYJ) or be competitive when the other team scores over 20 points. 

 

So let me get this straight - you're considering 41 games back, games that we played back in 2016 as somehow relevant to the discussion of Allen?  A game back in 2016?  And 17 games that we played after McDermott and Beane took over, but before Allen was drafted or started?

 

That's just the most bizarre point to make in evaluating a QB that I've ever heard.

 

I think it's Micah Hyde or Milano who has said that the D has a goal to hold the opponent to less than 17 points he assumes because it's been determined that's a general sweet spot for winning.  I think there are only a handful of teams that consistently give up the equivalent of 3 TDs and win, but I'd be happy to sit corrected.  It's kind of off the topic of Allen though, except to note that he hasn't, to date, shown himself to be one of the small handful of QB who can do so.

[BringBackOrton]

39 minutes ago, MJS said:

A 300 yard game is completely arbitrary. Do you think there is a single QB in the NFL that cares if they three for 300 yards if they lost the game? It's not a metric worth following. How many 300 yard games does Stafford have? His team has been mediocre or bad for almost his entire career. He throws for 300 yards because he is playing catch up and has to keep slinging it to get back into games.

 

What did we see from Drew Brees once the Saints got good again? His passing stats actually took a dip. They ran the ball more. He didn't have to throw for 5000 yards a season to be competitive.

All these good QBs seem to be able to throw for 300 in a loss except for Allen. Do you find that interesting?

 

[BringBackOrton]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So let me get this straight - you're considering 41 games back, games that we played back in 2016 as somehow relevant to the discussion of Allen?  A game back in 2016?  And 17 games that we played after McDermott and Beane took over, but before Allen was drafted or started?

 

That's just the most bizarre point to make in evaluating a QB that I've ever heard.

 

I think it's Micah Hyde or Milano who has said that the D has a goal to hold the opponent to less than 17 points he assumes because it's been determined that's a general sweet spot for winning.  I think there are only a handful of teams that consistently give up the equivalent of 3 TDs and win, but I'd be happy to sit corrected.  It's kind of off the topic of Allen though, except to note that he hasn't, to date, shown himself to be one of the small handful of QB who can do so.

It’s fun how never and consistently are so easily used to make a point more defensible.

[oldmanfan]

36 minutes ago, eball said:

@Billsfan1972 somebody has to ask the question:  what's more important to you, winning football games or having a 300-yard passer?

He's answered that.  He wants to be entertained, and to him entertainment is big passing days.

 

Me personally, I'm entertained by victories but to each his own.

6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

All these good QBs seem to be able to throw for 300 in a loss except for Allen. Do you find that interesting?

 

Because they get behind and have to start throwing the ball to catch up.  As opposed to having a defense that holds a team to, say, 3 FGs?

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1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

He's answered that.  He wants to be entertained, and to him entertainment is big passing days.

 

Me personally, I'm entertained by victories but to each his own.

Because they get behind and have to start throwing the ball to catch up.  As opposed to having a defense that holds a team to, say, 3 FGs?

Yeah, we have never lost in a blowout with Allen under center. Never lost a game by say 18 points where, instead of throwing for 300 yards and attempting to keep us in it, he’s thrown 10 straight incompletions. We are undefeated with Allen, I forgot.