Whistleblower Has Been Backed Up By Multiple Witnesses

[njbuff]

I'm so tired of these ridiculous games these Democrats play. They know it games. I know it's games. And you know its games.

 

It's all because they can't get over the results of the 2016 Presidential election. They can't stand the fact that human beings would rather vote for Trump (63,000,000+ to be exact)  rather than their queen Hillary. They don't have Presidential power and Trump has been driving them insane since he announced his candidacy in 2015 coming down that escalator.

 

Since when ISN'T a president allowed to talk to other world leaders. He has executive privilege being POTUS and he can say whatever the fvck he wants to other world leaders. Same goes for Obama before him, Bush before them, so on and so forth.

 

You haters on the left are just looking for ANY excuse to TRY and put forth your "joke of impeachment inquiries" because you know that you have HIDEOUS candidates in 2020 and it is completely melting your brains at the mere thought of Trump being President till 2025. That's all that this is about. PERIOD.

 

Just look at the leftist's comments in here to fully know that TDS is certainly a big problem in America today.

 

I will give you leftists a FREE piece of advice.......................

 

Forget that Trump is President and let him run the country and you folks go on with your lives. You people will be much happier if you don't allow Trump to invade your brains.

 

I say this because it makes ZERO difference to me if Hillary was president or if Trump is President. I would call out the right if they became mentally ill over Hillary the same exact  way you lefties have lost your minds over Trump.

 

Grow a pair, lefties.

Edited September 26, 2019 by njbuff

[Foxx]

in a nutshell...

 

https://twitter.com/Why45huh/status/1176908389621927937

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Foxx

[John Adams]

2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

https://twitter.com/Why45huh/status/1176908389621927937

 

 

Foxx brought up the Clintons in a thread about Trump's conduct. Everybody DRINK!

[Foxx]

for the TDS impaired...

https://twitter.com/FofoSpumoni/status/1177048135488724994

 

***********************************

and for the idiots who need reminding...

https://twitter.com/kate_awakening/status/1177038183428587520

 

[Teddy KGB]

7 hours ago, Paulus said:

No. He deleted the Epstein thread and there were many people who guessed on when he would be suicided. Due to him we dont know who guessed the closest, and rightful king of the PPP sub. He should be banned.

 

Seconded.    Guys a POS hack.   

 

Read through this thread as evidence of that 

[Tiberius]

 

Quote

“In the hours after the release Wednesday of the rough transcript of President Trump’s July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the White House circulated an email with proposed talking points for Trump’s defenders. Unfortunately for the White House, the email was mistakenly sent to not only Republicans but also Democratic lawmakers and their staff.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-mistakenly-sends-trump-ukraine-talking-points-to-democrats/2019/09/25/5170aa52-dfb2-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

The buck passing has begun! 

 

 

Rudy Giuliani: State Department 'Asked Me' to Look Into Ukraine

The Daily Beast

1 day ago

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, John Adams said:

 

Foxx brought up the Clintons in a thread about Trump's conduct. Everybody DRINK!

I hate it when I'm trying to publicly crucify someone for perceived transgressions & someone else exposes my insincerity by pointing out my glaring inconsistency on the topic.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, John Adams said:

 

I've been saying this for pages. They can't see way their noses in this. 

 

Biden can go down too. But the current thread is about trump. 

John, The problem you’re having is that you don’t seem to understand that Trump has a job to do as the President. It’s been a problem for the Left since attained the office. It’s not illegal for him to do his job. It might look political to those that see everything through the lens of politics, race and gender, but it’s really just a guy who’s taking his job description seriously. It’s unusual I admit since almost nobody else in Washington is doing much of anything (Left and Right included). So....can the President fire the FBI Director...yep! Can the President put controls on immigration...yep! Should the President ask integrity questions before he hands over taxpayer money to foreigners...yep! 

[Tiberius]

22 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

John, The problem you’re having is that you don’t seem to understand that Trump has a job to do as the President. It’s been a problem for the Left since attained the office. It’s not illegal for him to do his job. It might look political to those that see everything through the lens of politics, race and gender, but it’s really just a guy who’s taking his job description seriously. It’s unusual I admit since almost nobody else in Washington is doing much of anything (Left and Right included). So....can the President fire the FBI Director...yep! Can the President put controls on immigration...yep! Should the President ask integrity questions before he hands over taxpayer money to foreigners...yep! 

The president can't extort or bribe a foreign leader to get a political opponent. You understand that, right? 

 

If you don't, you just don't want to understand. 

[snafu]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The president can't extort or bribe a foreign leader to get a political opponent. You understand that, right? 

 

If you don't, you just don't want to understand. 

 

I understand that.

When did that happen?

People should be really cheesed off, yeah?

 

 

 

[Uncle Joe]

Full of Schiff on the news this morning.

[Hedge]

 

 

[Tiberius]

Whistleblower complaint: 

Quote

“In the course of my official duties, I have received information from multiple U.S. government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election,” the whistleblower wrote in the complaint dated Aug. 12. “This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals. The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph W. Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General (William P.) Barr appears to be involved as well.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/house-intelligence-committee-releases-whistleblowers-complaint-citing-trumps-call-with-ukraines-president/2019/09/26/402052ee-e056-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

27 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I understand that.

When did that happen?

People should be really cheesed off, yeah?

 

 

 

Are you following the news? 

[dubs]

1 minute ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

I’m past the point of caring about any of this and just feel bad for Democrats, the media, and anyone else who buys into this. You have to be a pretty empty person to get excited about this stuff. 

 

There is is literally nothing in that transcript. There is a zero point zero percent chance of impeachment. This nonsense only makes trump more difficult to beat in 2020. He’s going to win in a landslide. Amazingly, they media and the Dems have actually made trump a somewhat sympathetic figure. 

 

But, as I’ve said a million times before, this all is just a distraction from the real issue, the size, scope and role of the federal government in the lives of Americans. 

[John Adams]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

John, The problem you’re having is that you don’t seem to understand that Trump has a job to do as the President. It’s been a problem for the Left since attained the office. It’s not illegal for him to do his job. It might look political to those that see everything through the lens of politics, race and gender, but it’s really just a guy who’s taking his job description seriously. It’s unusual I admit since almost nobody else in Washington is doing much of anything (Left and Right included). So....can the President fire the FBI Director...yep! Can the President put controls on immigration...yep! Should the President ask integrity questions before he hands over taxpayer money to foreigners...yep! 

 

The president has to follow the law and not engage in quid pro quo for personal political gain. He could have asked for a lot of things, and even vaguely asked them to continue to drain their swamp, but when he called out his main political opponent in particular, things changed as I'm sure even you will admit. The legal question will turn on whether the requested information is "in kind" info of a type that is a "contribution or donation" to his campaign. 

 

Given the carrot Trump was dangling at the time ($400 million), there's at least a case to be made that he was trading the aid for the favor. Remember: Trump didn't ask for 20 things, he asked for only two things specifically. That was it. Servers and Bidens. 

 

The complaint is interesting because it seems like the whistleblower may not have been alone in his concerns and there are some other facts to be sifted. 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by John Adams

[IDBillzFan]

31 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

Full of Schiff on the news this morning.

 

What's the dumbest thing the Dems could do to further embarrass themselves beyond the stupidity of this impeachment effort?

 

Put Schiff in front of a microphone to talk about it.

 

I swear, you leftists are like the Jay Gruden of politics: "Our best chance to win is to keep Case Keenum under center!"

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by IDBillzFan

[Cinga]

Maybe a dumb question, but since when do we suspend all investigations of wrongdoing if someone is running for President? Political opponent my a55!! Biden did wrong, and just because he is running to oppose Trump does not mean you just drop inquiries into that wrongdoing!

 

And let's see... how do you investigate wrongdoing in another country? Send in the FBI and have them forcefully get answers? Of course not! You go through the executive branch of the government and get permission and assistance from that country!

 

Keep it up folks... This whole inquiry to hamstring Trump will haunt every POTUS of the future since someone, ANYONE in government could pull this same bullcrap. The WH phones will have to have a message "This call is being recorded and monitored because we have an intrusive Congress that insists on over reach to the Executive branch. You may be better off whispering in the POTUS ear during a photo op."

[Warren Zevon]

Nunes is such a clown

[3rdnlng]

10 hours ago, snafu said:

This whole thing seems screwy.  There’s no smoking gun, or smoke, or fire.

Congress allocated funds. Trump held up the funds.  Trump apparently has been holding up different funds going to aid foreign countries for awhile now, claiming that the U.S. shouldn’t do all of the contributing.  

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine/trump-administration-reinstates-military-aid-for-ukraine-idUSKCN1VX213

“...Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell praised the Trump administration’s release of the funds, saying: “It would have been a mistake to hold back our assistance to the brave people of Ukraine. Doing so would have undermined our partners in Ukraine and Eastern Europe and further emboldened the Kremlin.” 

It was one of several disputes recently between Trump and members of Congress, including some of his fellow Republicans as well as Democrats, over his administration’s decision to sidestep congressional approval to fund its own policy initiatives.  ...”

 

 

 

This Ukraine money and the hold up of it seems to have been heaped into the Administration’s way of dealing with these matters (hold up the money and complain that other countries aren’t pulling their weight), and it seemed as though Congress was getting pissed off.  Then Giuliani is reported to have met with Ukrainians about investigating Biden.  Then Chris Murphy (in May, 2019) wrote a letter to his Committee Chair in the Senate, complaining of a possible connection — in this particular case — between Giuliani’s actions and the $$ being held up.  Murphy was fired up about it.  https://www.murphy.senate.gov/download/ukraine-giuliani-letter  But it didn’t seem to go anywhere until some random whistleblower complaint was filed.

 

The rough transcript of the phone conversation seems to belie Trump’s m.o. about other countries, mentioning Merkel and Germany. It didn’t seem like Trump implicitly or explicitly said he was not going to turn over the money.  It doesn’t seem as though anyone in the Ukraine though there was a condition put on the money to help out in a US political matter. In fact, it was thought as recently as early September, that the hold up was because of Trump’s coddling of Putin.  http://www.ukrweekly.com/uwwp/slow-walking-military-aid-to-ukraine/

 

Odd how the narrative changed from one reason to another reason to yet another reason over time.

While this post is well thought out I believe you have made a distinction that falls into the hands of the rotten Left. This is only a U.S. political matter because the Left refuses to call it what it is. It is a U.S. criminal matter which certainly falls under the Trump administration's purview.

[Numark3]

Oh look at that...the complaint doesn’t conflict with the transcript.  And look at that, the allegations go beyond that call.

 

It appears to be a credible complaint that went through appropriate channels.  This is why saying things like Direct knowledge and quid pro quo is dumb DR.  Both are irrelevant now.

 

maybe you should start listening to me?

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Crayola64

[John Adams]

6 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

maybe you should start listening to me?

 

 

He'll get back to you once he filters his Twitter search results.

 

"ukraine complaint not credible" SEARCH

[Numark3]

2 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

He'll get back to you once he filters his Twitter search results.

 

"ukraine complaint not credible" SEARCH

 

Yea he posted about ten THERE IS NO QUID PRO QUO AS THE COMPLAINT ALLEGED.  

 

Welp, his far-right twitter feed was wrong lol.

 

 

for someone who prides himself on spreading information, it’s a shame he constantly spreads false narratives (thankfully, his information actually doesn’t spread).

Edited September 26, 2019 by Crayola64

[3rdnlng]

Oh look who's washing each other's balls this morning.

 

[Numark3]

Also, this whistleblower must be a plant for the new age COUP

[B-Man]

It’s so lovely to wake up to another round of let’s overturn the ’16 election

 

 

 

 

Lawmakers  received their copy of the 6-page complaint Wednesday afternoon after criticizing the White House and Department of Justice for complying with Office of Legal Counsel guidance and handling recommendations. The declassified complaint, consisting of hearsay and political media spin, is expected to be released to the public today.

 

In the Justice Department’s OLC opinion, they point out that ICIG Atkinson’s internal justification for even accepting the whistleblower complaint was poor legal judgement.  [See Here] 

 

.

[Numark3]

Just now, B-Man said:

It’s so lovely to wake up to another round of let’s overturn the ’16 election

 

 

 

 

Lawmakers  received their copy of the 6-page complaint Wednesday afternoon after criticizing the White House and Department of Justice for complying with Office of Legal Counsel guidance and handling recommendations. The declassified complaint, consisting of hearsay and political media spin, is expected to be released to the public today.

 

In the Justice Department’s OLC opinion, they point out that ICIG Atkinson’s internal justification for even accepting the whistleblower complaint was poor legal judgement.  [See Here] 

 

.

 

It doesn’t consist of hearsay you clown.  And that is irrelevant.  The whistleblower is using appropriate channels to get an issue investigated.  It shouldn’t be discounted because of hearsay.....the investigation can look at the credibility of it.

 

are you really that dumb that you think only people with direct knowledge can report stuff?  Seriously, read a book.  

[Greybeard]

 

From the whistleblower.  "I was not a witness to most of the events described... However, I found my
    colleagues' accounts of these events to be credible..."

 

"You cannot tell me what he or she said.  That is just hearsay, and hearsay is not acceptable in court."  Judge Judy

[Numark3]

1 minute ago, Greybeard said:

 

From the whistleblower.  "I was not a witness to most of the events described... However, I found my
    colleagues' accounts of these events to be credible..."

 

"You cannot tell me what he or she said.  That is just hearsay, and hearsay is not acceptable in court."  Judge Judy

 

So he shouldn’t report stuff because he doesn’t have direct knowledge...and no one should investigate it.

 

 

good logic

Edited September 26, 2019 by Crayola64

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

 

It doesn’t consist of hearsay you clown.  And that is irrelevant.  The whistleblower is using appropriate channels to get an issue investigated.  It shouldn’t be discounted because of hearsay.....the investigation can look at the credibility of it.

 

are you really that dumb that you think only people with direct knowledge can report stuff?  Seriously, read a book.  

No he actually isn't. I don't think any of the people here defending Trump are stupid, they are engaged in passive aggressive behavior of acting dumb, twisting the truth to annoy and continually asking silly questions to fatigue those who see Trump's behavior as criminal. 

 

They will hate Trump as much as anyone once he leaves office. They hate Romney now, they hate McCain and Bush, even though they defended them to the hilt before. Political theatre 

9 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

 

From the whistleblower.  "I was not a witness to most of the events described... However, I found my
    colleagues' accounts of these events to be credible..."

 

"You cannot tell me what he or she said.  That is just hearsay, and hearsay is not acceptable in court."  Judge Judy

And yet the IG found it all urgent and credible 

[Doc]

"I heard something my colleagues said about a call I didn't hear and I thought it might be bad so I'm going to lodge a complaint."  Yeah, that's not hearsay.

 

[keepthefaith]

It's a shame Trump doesn't drive and get himself a speeding ticket or a parking ticket.  That would be an easy offense to prosecute and much easier to use for the basis of impeachment.  

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

And yet the IG found it all urgent and credible 

 

In the Justice Department’s OLC opinion, they point out that ICIG Atkinson’s internal justification for even accepting the whistleblower complaint was poor legal judgement.  [See Here] 

 

 

 

 

 

The House Intelligence Committee on Thursday released the declassified whistleblower complaint on President Trump's phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

 

Utah Republican Rep. Chris Stewart said he was initially "anxious" before reading it, but is now is "much more confident than I was this morning that this is going to go nowhere. ... there are just no surprises there." He added, "The entirety of it is focused on this one thing, and that's the transcript of one phone call, the transcript that was released [Wednesday] morning."

 

According to the anonymous whistleblower, "I was not a direct witness to most of these events described," but instead based the complaint on "various facts" he or she was informed of by "more than half a dozen officials." The whistleblower claims to have learned from "multiple U.S. officials" that "senior White House officials had intervened to 'lock down' all records of the phone call."

 

Here's another interesting part:

 

During this same timeframe,  multiple U.S. officials told me that the Ukrainian leadership was led to believe that a meeting or phone call between the President and President Zelenskyy would depend on whether Zelenskyy showed willingness to "play ball" on the issues that had been publicly aired by Mr. Lutsenko and Mr. Giuliani.

 

This sounds eerily similar to the fake news that ABC reported that discussing the Biden probe was a precondition of the two leaders having the phone call.

Overall, the complaint centers around the July 25th phone call, and uses anonymous sources and media reports to substantiate the complaint.

 

 

Fred Fleitz, former NSC Chief of Staff, CIA analyst and House Intelligence Committee staff member, read and reacted to the complaint on Twitter. "As a former CIA analyst and former NSC official who edited transcripts of POTUS phone calls with foreign leaders, here are my thoughts on the whistleblower complaint which was just released... This is not an intelligence matter. It is a policy matter and a complaint about differences over policy. Presidential phone calls are not an intelligence concern. The fact that IC officers transcribe these calls does not give the IC IG jusrisdiction [sic] over these calls."

 

Fleitz also believes that this whistleblower didn't act alone in generating the complaint. "The way this complaint was written suggested the author had a lot of help. I know from my work on the House Intel Commitee [sic] staff that many whistleblowers go directly to the intel oversight committees. Did this whistleblower first meet with House Intel committee members?"

 

Fleitz believes Congress needs to investigate where this complaint came from and whether Democrats on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees know about it in advance and if they helped orchestrate it. Fleitz expects this complaint will further damage intelligence community relations for years to come because intelligence officers "appear to be politicizing presidential phone calls with foreign officials and their access to the president and his activities in the White House."

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/trending/breaking-whistleblower-report-has-been-released/

[TH3]

38 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Oh look who's washing each other's balls this morning.

 

pretty good pick of trump and rudy

 

Actually a pretty good representation!

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by TH3

[Deranged Rhino]

48 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

Oh look at that...the complaint doesn’t conflict with the transcript.  And look at that, the allegations go beyond that call.

 

 

Did you read the complaint? I did. And you're wrong. Again. Because you don't read for yourself...  Talk about stepping on a rake. 

 

Here's the complaint in full. 

 

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wsmv.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/55/755682a2-e05c-11e9-affa-8bd3d74449cd/5d8cb49937039.pdf.pdf

 

[TH3]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

In the Justice Department’s OLC opinion, they point out that ICIG Atkinson’s internal justification for even accepting the whistleblower complaint was poor legal judgement.  [See Here] 

 

 

That is why you have hearings and bring people in to testify

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Here's Schiff lying (or as he says, doing parody) for his opening statement. 

 

Because if you have a case that's air tight, why not start with a complete fabrication of the events in question?

 

(Things honest people do not do)

 

 

 

So, two hours into this meeting and the whole thing looks weaker than ever. 

 

But IMPEACH!

 

(They shot themselves in the face with this move -- and it's all because they're terrified of CROWDSTRIKE)

 

 

Second clip with Catherine: 

 

[B-Man]

Just now, TH3 said:

That is why you have hearings and bring people in to testify

 

 

Never said they shouldn't.

 

If the democrat party wants to continue their self destruct, thats fine with me  

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

In the Justice Department’s OLC opinion, they point out that ICIG Atkinson’s internal justification for even accepting the whistleblower complaint was poor legal judgement.  [See Here] 

 

 

 

 

 

The House Intelligence Committee on Thursday released the declassified whistleblower complaint on President Trump's phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

 

Utah Republican Rep. Chris Stewart said he was initially "anxious" before reading it, but is now is "much more confident than I was this morning that this is going to go nowhere. ... there are just no surprises there." He added, "The entirety of it is focused on this one thing, and that's the transcript of one phone call, the transcript that was released [Wednesday] morning."

 

According to the anonymous whistleblower, "I was not a direct witness to most of these events described," but instead based the complaint on "various facts" he or she was informed of by "more than half a dozen officials." The whistleblower claims to have learned from "multiple U.S. officials" that "senior White House officials had intervened to 'lock down' all records of the phone call."

 

Here's another interesting part:

 

During this same timeframe,  multiple U.S. officials told me that the Ukrainian leadership was led to believe that a meeting or phone call between the President and President Zelenskyy would depend on whether Zelenskyy showed willingness to "play ball" on the issues that had been publicly aired by Mr. Lutsenko and Mr. Giuliani.

 

This sounds eerily similar to the fake news that ABC reported that discussing the Biden probe was a precondition of the two leaders having the phone call.

Overall, the complaint centers around the July 25th phone call, and uses anonymous sources and media reports to substantiate the complaint.

 

 

Fred Fleitz, former NSC Chief of Staff, CIA analyst and House Intelligence Committee staff member, read and reacted to the complaint on Twitter. "As a former CIA analyst and former NSC official who edited transcripts of POTUS phone calls with foreign leaders, here are my thoughts on the whistleblower complaint which was just released... This is not an intelligence matter. It is a policy matter and a complaint about differences over policy. Presidential phone calls are not an intelligence concern. The fact that IC officers transcribe these calls does not give the IC IG jusrisdiction [sic] over these calls."

 

Fleitz also believes that this whistleblower didn't act alone in generating the complaint. "The way this complaint was written suggested the author had a lot of help. I know from my work on the House Intel Commitee [sic] staff that many whistleblowers go directly to the intel oversight committees. Did this whistleblower first meet with House Intel committee members?"

 

Fleitz believes Congress needs to investigate where this complaint came from and whether Democrats on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees know about it in advance and if they helped orchestrate it. Fleitz expects this complaint will further damage intelligence community relations for years to come because intelligence officers "appear to be politicizing presidential phone calls with foreign officials and their access to the president and his activities in the White House."

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/trending/breaking-whistleblower-report-has-been-released/

William Barr's justice department? Ok 

 

 

[Numark3]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

"I heard something my colleagues said about a call I didn't hear and I thought it might be bad so I'm going to lodge a complaint."  Yeah, that's not hearsay.

 

 

Are you honestly suggesting a complaint shouldn’t be investigated even if it contains second hand information (let’s not call it hearsay as you don’t know what it is)?  

 

You do realize an investigation can uncover  first hand sources.

 

 

and do you know that hearsay is something that involves whether or not information is admissible at trial?  Which is not at issue here at all.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Crayola64

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Note the intentional disinformation since the transcript was released. First, the MSM clipped 500+ words from the transcript to link "do me a favor" with the "Joe Biden" bit of the call when the "favor" was about investigating the 2016 election, not Biden. 

 

But the media is your friend. They're being honest. They're not intentionally deceiving you and framing the narrative in a way that's dishonest.

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

 

Are you honestly suggesting a complaint shouldn’t be investigated even if it contains second hand information?  

 

You do realize an investigation can uncover over first hand sources.

 

You have a lot of opinions for a guy who admits he doesn't read any of the necessary material to understand the subject. 

 

Sadly, all you're doing is embarrassing yourself and exposing your legal expertise as... wanting.