AB accused for 3 instances of sexual assualt & rape against 1 woman. Lawsuit filed against him

[oldmanfan]

47 minutes ago, Goldenrod2000 said:

Except that you, if falsely accused of a crime would feel differently and would not want people to rush to judgement

That is why I said we have to wait for the investigation.  Do I side more with women in this situation in general?  Yes.

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Of course. 

 

Outcry witnesses are huge in sexual assault cases.

 

As a I society we have almost completed the circle. We have gone from a society where only relations between married people were acceptable, all the way through the sexual revolution back to a society where at least any public person is practically insane to be alone in the company of anyone other than their spouse. 

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

FWIW.  I’m a clinical psychologist. I have been treating patients in my community for 40 years. I kid you not when I tell you that I have done at least 500 evaluations of victims of sexual assault, mostly female.  In these situations the victim feels intense shame, embarrassment, and a very real fear that no one will believe her. Also, they may have real concern over their financial or employment status if they make a report. 

 

 Clearly we have to wait until due process is done and, hopefully, something close to the truth comes out. However, all of the facts behind this woman filing this case including waiting as long as she did and never lodging a criminal complaint are quite typical.

In this case the accused is AB which adds an entire other layer to to it

[PlayoffsPlease]

3 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

FWIW.  I’m a clinical psychologist. I have been treating patients in my community for 40 years. I kid you not when I tell you that I have done at least 500 evaluations of victims of sexual assault, mostly female.  In these situations the victim feels intense shame, embarrassment, and a very real fear that no one will believe her. Also, they may have real concern over their financial or employment status if they make a report. 

 

 Clearly we have to wait until due process is done and, hopefully, something close to the truth comes out. However, all of the facts behind this woman filing this case including waiting as long as she did and never lodging a criminal complaint are quite typical.

 

I will stipulate everything you say here is correct. Unfortunately, false accusations are also a thing, and also entirely consistent with this typical fact set. 

 

Edited September 11, 2019 by PlayoffsPlease

[keepthefaith]

46 minutes ago, 5 Wide said:

To me, a guy like Antonio Brown may have raped her, and doesn't even realize it.  So as to say, a narcissistic self centered guy of generally bad character is used to getting his way regardless of what people say and do.  What was a nothing incident to him was actually him imposing his will in an assault.  

 

Agree.  He may not even know the difference between right and wrong in this particular area.  When you read his texts it's fair to say he doesn't have much respect for women.   

[YoloinOhio]

 

[JohnC]

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

I do not think it has change view one way or another.  They signed a coach out of game for years to 10 year/$100 million contract (back loaded due to funding issues), traded away best defense player in the league, etc.  This is small potatoes and they structured contract right for risk.

 

I wonder if they ever got fine money?  Keeping him suspended and constantly fining him may have helped with money issues.

Gruden was signed for a 10 year contract for $100 M. That in itself made no sense. Gruden comes in and starts dismantling the team with the expectation of rebuilding it. Why would you bring in such a volatile and erratic veteran player like AB when you are in a rebuilding mode? I agree with you that the AB saga in of itself might be small potatatoes but when you accumulate a lot of rotten small potatoes you end up with a sack full of it. If I recall correctly(?) the Raiders gave up two third round picks for the combustible receiver. Those picks could have been useful for the rebuild.

 

 

[Mojo44]

1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

 

I will stipulate everything you say here is correct. Unfortunately, false accusations are also a thing, and also entirely consistent with this typical fact set. 

 

I agree with you. False accusations certainly occur. This is why we need due process. However, false accusations are, by far, the exception not the rule.

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

In this case the accused is AB which adds an entire other layer to to it

True dat!

[wppete]

Should the NFL put AB of the commissioners exempt list while the courts figure this out???? Some of those text are pretty damning!  Also it is the NFLs 100 anniversary and AB has really tarnished the NFL shield ? this whole year. What you guys think will happen in the next few days???

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SectionC3]

14 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

If the person is willing to talk or will just say "I cannot remember".

 

 

 

They talk.  Outcries normally are made to a trusted person e.g., loved one, friend, etc.  

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Very Interesting......

[DC Tom]

23 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Except they should have suspended him BEFORE they let him go but just wanted the media frenzy gone.

 

I did say "borderline."

[Punching Bag]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

I did say "borderline."

 

Everything about the Raisins is borderline.

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, wppete said:

Should the NFL put AB of the commissioners exempt list while the courts figure this out???? Some of those text are pretty damning!  Also it is the NFLs 100 anniversary and AB has really tarnished the NFL shield ? this whole year. What you guys think will happen in the next few days???

 

 

I read someone that said Goodell is leaning toward that. But unsure of validity. 

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This point was made in the complaint.  The polygraph results are inadmissible.  The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion.  

 

And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph.  In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit.  It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander.   Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find.  

[Mojo44]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

This point was made in the complaint.  The polygraph results are inadmissible.  The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion.  

 

And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph.  In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit.  It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander.   Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find.  

Good points. Who knows what really happened but, based on the information available, this does not come across as frivolous.

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

This point was made in the complaint.  The polygraph results are inadmissible.  The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion.  

 

And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph.  In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit.  It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander.   Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find.  

I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part 

 

That was my exact reaction - how does this guy learn the plays??  He's illiterate. 

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part 

Middle school is a stretch...

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Mojo44 said:

Good points. Who knows what really happened but, based on the information available, this does not come across as frivolous.

 

Well said.  The process has to play out, but there are hints here that this could turn into a headache for Brown.  I tend to think the angle here is for plaintiff to force a settlement by the timing of the complaint (falls right after NFL’s opening weekend), but that strategy doesn’t mean that the claims are bogus.  Perhaps the client doesn’t want to testify about the most traumatic incident of her life.  Perhaps counsel is worried about some of the weaknesses in the case that I noted.  

 

But, at bottom, this was a solid hit job by plaintiff’s attorneys —  seemingly well-planned, cognizant of media implications w/ polygraph points and text screenshots, and put Brown on his heels right off the bat.  There was no need to put the “extra” information re: the poly test and the screen shots in the complaint — in some instances, it’s bad lawyering because it could be a tip of the hand.  Here, however, the revelations were designed to influence the media, stress the opponent, and perhaps influence the jury pool.  Brown is not dealing with amateurs here.   

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part 

 

These texts also make Central Michigan University look horrible. How the hell did he get admitted to the university???? I wouldn’t be surprised if CMU comes out with some none sense statement. 

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m surprised that AB can digest a playbook or even pass Middle school looking at those emails so i don’t expect any smart decisions on his part 

 

Based on the dope that he has repping him now, I’m with you.  Mr. “countersue the complainant” is going to get run over if this case goes to trial.  I’ve only seen a photo of the guy, but strongly suspect that the female jurors will detest him.  

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

These texts also make Central Michigan University look horrible. How the hell did he get admitted to the university???? I wouldn’t be surprised if CMU comes out with some none sense statement. 

I'm assuming his admissions test was a color by numbers book. 

 

He even stayed inside the lines! 

Edited September 11, 2019 by The Wiz

[wppete]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

I'm assuming his admissions test was a color by numbers book. 

 

He even stayed inside the lines! 

  Hahahaha

 

a link to admissions page.....

 

https://www.cmich.edu/colleges/cgs/prospective/Pages/Type-of-Admission.aspx

[YoloinOhio]

 

[wppete]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Thank you YOLO!!!!’ You are doing amazing work finding these links and articles! Thanks!!!! 

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This would be phenomenal 

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

  Hahahaha

 

a link to admissions page.....

 

https://www.cmich.edu/colleges/cgs/prospective/Pages/Type-of-Admission.aspx

That's graduate admissions though.

[billsfan1959]

16 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

FWIW.  I’m a clinical psychologist. I have been treating patients in my community for 40 years. I kid you not when I tell you that I have done at least 500 evaluations of victims of sexual assault, mostly female.  In these situations the victim feels intense shame, embarrassment, and a very real fear that no one will believe her. Also, they may have real concern over their financial or employment status if they make a report. 

 

 Clearly we have to wait until due process is done and, hopefully, something close to the truth comes out. However, all of the facts behind this woman filing this case including waiting as long as she did and never lodging a criminal complaint are quite typical.

Good post. I have analyzed a lot of victim and offender behaviors in sexual assault over the years. There are so many victims that behave in ways that are counterintuitive to most people and most sexual assaults actually go unreported. Most allegations are legitimate; however, some are not (most reputable studies put the number of false allegations at anywhere from 2%-10%).

 

People love to make snap decisions; however, each case needs to be evaluated on its own, in totality, and due process needs to always be followed. 

[wppete]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

That's graduate admissions though.

 

You are correct thanks....

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

he's with the right team. thugs, murderers and deflated balls sprinkled with some cheating in the mix. yeah, they wont cut him for his alleged accusations.

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

he's with the right team. thugs, murderers and deflated balls sprinkled with some cheating in the mix. yeah, they wont cut him for his alleged accusations.

I was going to say you forgot about Kraft but I guess deflated balls works in his case as well.

[wppete]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/11/report-nfl-to-give-serious-consideration-to-putting-antonio-brown-on-exempt-list/

 

Report: NFL to “give serious consideration” to putting Antonio Brown on exempt list

 

“A statement from the Patriots indicated that the NFL will be investigating the allegations of rape and sexual assault levied in a lawsuit filed against wide receiver Antonio Brown on Tuesday.

Given the nature of the allegations, one of the questions that the league will face is whether or not to place Brown on the Commissioner-Exempt list while that investigation plays out. Brown would be paid while on the list, but he would be ineligible to participate in Patriots games or practices. 

 

Mark Maske of the Washington Post reports that the NFL will “give serious consideration” to putting Brown on that list. One source told Maske that placement on the list is something the league “is going to have to focus on” in the coming days, although it is unclear if any decision would be made before the Patriots play the Dolphins in Week Two.

Brown’s accuser Britney Taylor has expressed a willingness to meet with the league as part of any investigation and league officials are expected to meet on Wednesday about next steps.”

[4merper4mer]

25 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

This point was made in the complaint.  The polygraph results are inadmissible.  The reference to the polygraph in the complaint was made to affect public opinion.  

 

And, frankly, it’s good lawyering to put her to a polygraph.  In a high profile case like this, competent counsel should perform his/her own polygraph of the client before commencing a lawsuit.  It’s a sign to me that her lawyers know what they’re doing, have worked the case up a bit before commencing the action, and aren’t going to get rolled by the threat of a counterclaim for libel/slander.   Brown’s not dealing with a bunch of clowns here, and if I was him I’d like for the best female litigator in this area that I could find.  

He can call Kobe and borrow his lawyer.

[IDBillzFan]

2 hours ago, vincec said:

$1.6mm is a lot for a handy.

 

Especially when he only had to pay $1M for cheating.

[Mojo44]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Good post. I have analyzed a lot of victim and offender behaviors in sexual assault over the years. There are so many victims that behave in ways that are counterintuitive to most people and most sexual assaults actually go unreported. Most allegations are legitimate; however, some are not (most reputable studies put the number of false allegations at anywhere from 2%-10%).

 

People love to make snap decisions; however, each case needs to be evaluated on its own, in totality, and due process needs to always be followed. 

 Thanks. I was ready to quote that figure if needed.  2010 study from the journal “Violence Against Women”. 

[starrymessenger]

20 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

Thank you YOLO!!!!’ You are doing amazing work finding these links and articles! Thanks!!!! 

 

Apparently his guarantees are voided if he performs any act that undermines respect for the team, amongst other reputational issues. It's a pretty low bar in the case of the Patriots but based on his own admissions who knows he may just have met it.

Edited September 11, 2019 by starrymessenger

[BUFFALOTONE]

14 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Remember when y’all threw the book at McCoy last year and were wrong ? 

 

No reason to rush to judgement one way or another.     

It is in writing where he talks about the sex act he committed....

[wppete]

Patriots are a scumbag franchise!!!!! Period!!!