Week Two: Bills at Giants

[Albany,n.y.]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

In fact, studies have shown that LOSING out of conference games can actually HELP our playoff odds if/when it comes down to tie breakers.  

Here's why that statement is ridiculous:  If they had won the out of conference game that they lost, the team in this example wouldn't have needed a tie breaker.  Can an out of conference loss hurt you less than an in conference &/or in division loss?  Yes, but a loss is a loss when computing W-L records, and the team with more wins & fewer losses is going to be ahead in the standings over teams with fewer wins & more losses regardless of who they beat & lost to.  

 

The answer-Limit your losses to fewer than the next best team in your conference & you won't have to worry about tie breakers.  A loss by itself NEVER helps your playoff chances or position.  You can tank a game & get rid of a rival, by having the team that you let beat you leapfrog a tougher rival, but that can only happen if you've already secured your playoff position.  No loss can ever help your own team's playoff spot.

[eball]

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's why that statement is ridiculous

 

Somebody needs to have his sarcasm detector repaired...

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's why that statement is ridiculous:  If they had won the out of conference game that they lost, the team in this example wouldn't have needed a tie breaker.  Can an out of conference loss hurt you less than an in conference &/or in division loss?  Yes, but a loss is a loss when computing W-L records, and the team with more wins & fewer losses is going to be ahead in the standings over teams with fewer wins & more losses regardless of who they beat & lost to.  

 

The answer-Limit your losses to fewer than the next best team in your conference & you won't have to worry about tie breakers.  A loss by itself NEVER helps your playoff chances or position.  You can tank a game & get rid of a rival, by having the team that you let beat you leapfrog a tougher rival, but that can only happen if you've already secured your playoff position.  No loss can ever help your own team's playoff spot.

I'm not going to rehash this again.  Not after it was mathematically PROVEN.

 

Read this and catch up with the rest of the class.

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'm not going to rehash this again.  Not after it was mathematically PROVEN.

 

Read this and catch up with the rest of the class.

 

 

Your math doesn't add up.  If you don't lose the game there is no tie breaker.  WAKE UP!   It's pretty simple.  A 10-6 team gets in over a 9-7 team EVERY TIME unless you're talking about a team that wins a weaker division  & in that case there is no out of division tie breaker.  

Edited September 12, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[eball]

I thought folks from Albany were smarter than this...

[Jauronimo]

 

13 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Your math doesn't add up.  If you don't lose the game there is no tie breaker.  WAKE UP!   It's pretty simple.  A 10-6 team gets in over a 9-7 team EVERY TIME unless you're talking about a team that wins a weaker division  & in that case there is no out of division tie breaker.  

 

Not if that 10-6 team got all its wins playing out of conference opponents.  Read the thread.  The whole thread then get back to me.

[Albany,n.y.]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

 

Not if that 10-6 team got all its wins playing out of conference opponents.  Read the thread.  The whole thread then get back to me.

Are you really that math challenged ?   A 10-6 team involved in a tie breaker with a 9-7 team wins the tie breaker 100% of the time because THERE IS NO TIE BREAKER.  The only time the 9-7 gets a playoff spot over a 10-6 team is when they are in different divisions and the tie breakers get the 9-7 team a division title.  In that case the 9-7 team is breaking a tie with another 9-7 team in their division, not with the 10-6 team.  The 10-6 team still wins any tie breaker with the remaining 9-7 team.  It's NEVER better to get into a tie breaker scenario if you can win another game & not be involved in a tie breaker.  Come On Man! 

Edited September 12, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

...and meanwhile back to some bills/giants news

 

 

Giants’ mission vs. Buffalo Bills: Stifle QB Josh Allen without blitzing him

 

Despite only six teams in the NFL blitzing more often than coordinator James Bettcher’s defense Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants generated less pressures than any team in the NFL in Week 1.

 

Josh Allen, entering his second season as the Bills’ starter, produced a 118.8 passer rating against pressure in a Week 1 comeback victory over the Jets.

 

If blitzing Allen isn’t going to rattle him, and the Giants are struggling for the second consecutive season to generate any meaningful pressure on the quarterback, New York is going to have to flip the script in its home opener.

[Albany,n.y.]

19 minutes ago, eball said:

I thought folks from Albany were smarter than this...

If you can't figure out 10-6 is better than 9-7 you need to retake math.  His replies indicate he really believes this & isn't joking. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

If you can't figure out 10-6 is better than 9-7 you need to retake math. 

No need to be rude, people are just trying to help you understand this simple concept.  You're just not getting it.

[yall]

9 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Are you really that math challenged ?   A 10-6 team involved in a tie breaker with a 9-7 team wins the tie breaker 100% of the time because THERE IS NO TIE BREAKER.  The only time the 9-7 gets a playoff spot over a 10-6 team is when they are in different divisions and the tie breakers get the 9-7 team a division title.  In that case the 9-7 team is breaking a tie with another 9-7 team in their division, not with the 10-6 team.  The 10-6 team still wins any tie breaker with the remaining 9-7 team.  It's NEVER better to get into a tie breaker scenario if you can win another game & not be involved in a tie breaker.  Come On Man! 

Don't feed the trolls...

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

...and meanwhile back to some bills/giants news

 

 

Giants’ mission vs. Buffalo Bills: Stifle QB Josh Allen without blitzing him

 

Despite only six teams in the NFL blitzing more often than coordinator James Bettcher’s defense Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the Giants generated less pressures than any team in the NFL in Week 1.

 

Josh Allen, entering his second season as the Bills’ starter, produced a 118.8 passer rating against pressure in a Week 1 comeback victory over the Jets.

 

If blitzing Allen isn’t going to rattle him, and the Giants are struggling for the second consecutive season to generate any meaningful pressure on the quarterback, New York is going to have to flip the script in its home opener.

Are you sure that stat is correct? I mean, we all read in this very forum how Gregg Williams was gonna bring the heat and rattle Josh Allen all afternoon.  

[Albany,n.y.]

Just now, SWATeam said:

No need to be rude, people are just trying to help you understand this simple concept.  You're just not getting it.

I get it completely.  If you have the same records tie breakers can go to conference records.  But it never helps to lose a game.  If a team wins that out of conference game there is no tie breaker-You and your math challenged friends are the ones not getting it. 

[Jauronimo]

12 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

No need to be rude, people are just trying to help you understand this simple concept.  You're just not getting it.

Can someone else try and explain it to @Albany,n.y. ?? Maybe a fresh voice could help him understand it more better because hes not getting it.  @4merper4mer can you break it down for him?

[thebandit27]

10 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I get it completely.  If you have the same records tie breakers can go to conference records.  But it never helps to lose a game.  If a team wins that out of conference game there is no tie breaker-You and your math challenged friends are the ones not getting it. 

 

Did you read the thread that @Jauronimo linked to though?  It's pretty clear...

[sullim4]

This is the classic that started it all...

 

 

[SWATeam]

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Can someone else try and explain it to @Albany,n.y. ?? Maybe a fresh voice could help him understand it more better because hes not getting it.  @4merper4mer can you break it down for him?

There's only so much you can do.  You can lead @Albany,n.y. to water but you can't make him drink.

 

I think we can all agree that this is an important game to lose.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Albany,n.y.]

8 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

This is the classic that started it all...

 

 

OK. I didn't see it was Ieatcrayonz who started this.  I wasn't about to read 10 pages.  Sorry I didn't get the joke.  

[RememberTheRockpile]

13 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Can someone else try and explain it to @Albany,n.y. ?? 

 

Edited for clarity:

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

<SARCASM>In fact, studies have shown that LOSING out of conference games can actually HELP our playoff odds if/when it comes down to tie breakers. </SARCASM>

 

[sullim4]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

OK. I didn't see it was Ieatcrayonz who started this.  I wasn't about to read 10 pages.  Sorry I didn't get the joke.  

 

I suspect 4merper4mer is a former performer that used to eat crayons...

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

 

Morse: There's still 'a lot to improve on' after Week 1 win over Jets

 

Morse on the offense's Week 1 performance against the Jets:

 

"I think there's a lot to improve on, but I think every team is saying that after Week 1. It's exciting with the opportunity we have and the potential we have, but there's the few too many mistakes that put us in a rut early on. I feel like you can't be complacent with where we are, but we really love the group of guys we have, and we're proud to play with each other. That's an exciting thing to do.

 

"In the first game of the season, defenses are throwing stuff at you that you haven't seen before. You're so amped up to play the game that by the second half, you kind of already hit a groove. That was hugely important, and I'd say that our performance in the second half was much better than in the first."

 

Morse on Allen's performance in the win over the Jets:

 

"The biggest thing was just his poise; the way he carried himself. The highs weren't too high and the lows weren't too low for Josh. When you come into the huddle and there's some parts of the game where stuff is not going well and momentum is not going your way, it's how you compose yourself.

 

The way that Josh composed himself in the huddle was infectious. All great quarterbacks can do that. They come in the huddle and no matter what happens, they find a way. Even by them just relaying the player information, the way they do it, they way they handle themselves in there, it's infectious. I was extremely impressed with how he handled that, and he really did bring us along on that calm and collected second half."

 

 

Edited September 12, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

 

I suspect 4merper4mer is a former performer that used to eat crayons...

Used to?

[Royale with Cheese]

24 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

There's only so much you can do.  You can lead @Albany,n.y. to water but you can't make him drink.

 

I think we can all agree that this is an important game to lose.

 

Can we still go undefeated if we lose to an NFC team?  I'd like a perfect season for once.

[sullim4]

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Used to?

 

You would have to ask the silica gel-eating hamsters and the Googlebot about his eating habits.  It's been way too long since we last heard from Crayonz.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

PFT: Florio & Smith pick Bills...........

 

Bills at Giants

MDS’s take: Everyone is talking about Eli Manning and Daniel Jones, but the Giants’ defense is the reason they’re going to have an ugly season. The Bills should be able to move the ball effectively against them.

MDS’s pick: Bills 30, Giants 17.

Florio’s take: The Bills can start the season with a MetLife Stadium sweep. It helps that both teams who play there currently aren’t very good.

Florio’s pick: Bills 20, Giants 17.

[Figster]

1 minute ago, sullim4 said:

 

You would have to ask the silica gel-eating hamsters and the Googlebot about his eating habits.  It's been way too long since we last heard from Crayonz.

Crayonz is still with us in spirit...

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

hope it's minor?

[BillsFan4]

 

Edited September 12, 2019 by BillsFan4

[Paul Costa]

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[Kmart128]

21 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

hope it's minor?

 

Vets rest day? Maybe

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

A 50-point win gets you one W, the same as a 1-point win.

 

It does.

 

But as Bills fans, how comfortable are we at the start of the 4th quarter with... say... a 21 point lead?

 

I've seen this team fall apart too much.

 

It's a mistake when teams change their gameplans when they're ahead.

 

Just ask the Falcons.

Edited September 12, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[YoloinOhio]

 

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

It does.

 

But as Bills fans, how comfortable are we at the start of the 4th quarter with... say... a 21 point lead?

 

I've seen this team fall apart too much.

 

The biggest mistake teams make is when they change their gameplans when they're ahead.

 

Just ask the Falcons.

I tend to agree, but McDermott has gone into a shell pretty much every time the Bills have had a second half lead and I don't believe they've blown one yet, although there have been some close calls.  With some teams, it seems to work...  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[thebandit27]

Just now, mannc said:

I tend to agree, but McDermott has gone into a shell pretty much every time the Bills have had a second half lead and I don't believe they've blown one yet, although there have been some close calls.  With some teams, it seems to work...  

 

One thing that I'll way about McDermott is that I don't believe he's at all married to one approach.

 

My feeling on going into a shell is that he does it when he believes that it's the best (or, in the case of the 2017 team, only) way to win a game. If he believes that the team needs to keep scoring or moving the ball, he'll do that too.

[YoloinOhio]