Albany,n.y. Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Since Borjoquez is on very thin ice, we could have another season of musical chairs at the P position. Why keep switching holders when the backup QB can provide stability there? Years ago the backup QBs were the holders. Frank Reich did it for years. Doesn't it make more sense for the holder to be someone with a secure roster spot that the kicking unit can get used to having around? 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Yeah, sure- 2 QB’s on the active roster- sounds like a wonderful idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Borjoquez will be fine just give it a little more time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Yeah, sure- 2 QB’s on the active roster- sounds like a wonderful idea. Dont really see why that would be an issue? I think the argument against is that it takes time away from the QB practice time, but injuries on kicks to the holder are virtually no existent. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Borjoquez will be fine just give it a little more time. I give him until next Monday or Tuesday when they can sign a veteran punter and not have to guarantee his salary for the whole season. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Yeah, sure- 2 QB’s on the active roster- sounds like a wonderful idea. Ive heard the injury risk given. However, how often do holders really get hurt? I can’t remember one all of last season. Barkley is far more likely to be hurt in practice than in a game as a holder. That being said, practice is really the reason why Barkley cannot be the holder. During practice he has more important things to work on than holding the ball for Hauschka. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beane/Allen Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Barclay has 8 and a half inch hands and Bojorquez 8 and 3/4 inch. I defer to the quarter inch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Ive heard the injury risk given. However, how often do holders really get hurt? I can’t remember one all of last season. Barkley is far more likely to be hurt in practice than in a game as a holder. That being said, practice is really the reason why Barkley cannot be the holder. During practice he has more important things to work on than holding the ball for Hauschka. I understand where you are coming from. Even thou history shows risk is minimal, it just isn’t worth taking. Also, How many punts is B doing in practice. You have to save the leg so at that point you roll into FG/extra point mode or vise versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Since Borjoquez is on very thin ice, we could have another season of musical chairs at the P position. Why keep switching holders when the backup QB can provide stability there? Years ago the backup QBs were the holders. Frank Reich did it for years. Doesn't it make more sense for the holder to be someone with a secure roster spot that the kicking unit can get used to having around? 32 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Yeah, sure- 2 QB’s on the active roster- sounds like a wonderful idea. 34 makes a good point. One idiot is all it takes to hammer the holder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 whomever is the best holder should be the guy....regardless of position 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Bojorquez isn’t going to be on the roster and has already been a bad holder. He did a brutal job of it last year. It should absolutely be someone else (likely Barkley). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I am almost always in favor of the holder being a WR. I want a guy back there that is used to catching the ball at different levels. The ideal guy, for me, would be a WR that is also a special teams player, since he would be practicing with the ST unit most of the time anyway. So, I submit that the best holder for this team, this year, would be Andre Roberts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I hate that it's 3 days before kickoff and we're still talking about punters and holders. I just want it figured out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 34 makes a good point. One idiot is all it takes to hammer the holder Thats the dilemma for sure. Bark’s too valuable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I am almost always in favor of the holder being a WR. I want a guy back there that is used to catching the ball at different levels. The ideal guy, for me, would be a WR that is also a special teams player, since he would be practicing with the ST unit most of the time anyway. So, I submit that the best holder for this team, this year, would be Andre Roberts. preferably one that used to be a former QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 45 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Yeah, sure- 2 QB’s on the active roster- sounds like a wonderful idea. WTF is this supposed to mean? Why not Barkley? We’re more likely to change punters midstream than QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: preferably one that used to be a former QB. Closest you'll get to that is Dawson Knox--he played QB in high school. I don't think any of Buffalo's other WRs played QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: preferably one that used to be a former QB. Why didn’t they keep Sills V!?!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I hate that it's 3 days before kickoff and we're still talking about punters and holders. I just want it figured out. I know it is important, but since when is it so interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I am almost always in favor of the holder being a WR. I want a guy back there that is used to catching the ball at different levels. The ideal guy, for me, would be a WR that is also a special teams player, since he would be practicing with the ST unit most of the time anyway. So, I submit that the best holder for this team, this year, would be Andre Roberts. This is interesting. Then you also have a guy athletic enough to possibly make something happen on a broken kick as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Kickoff cannot get here soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: This is interesting. Then you also have a guy athletic enough to possibly make something happen on a broken kick as well. Yep...that's another factor as well. I remember being a kid and watching Steve Largent, in the same game during which he passed Don Hutson for the career receiving TD record, pick up a botched snap (he was Seattle's holder) and run it into the end zone for a PAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 34 makes a good point. One idiot is all it takes to hammer the holder Yet, who would you rather have if it’s a bad or mishandled snap? Pop up and throw to a preconceived area. How many times did Frank Reich get hurt holding for PKs? It’s nonsense, I tell ya! ? I’ve been screaming for this since he beat the Jets less than a week of joining the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Kind of uncomfortable discussing which guy should handle our balls. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beane/Allen said: Barclay has 8 and a half inch hands and Bojorquez 8 and 3/4 inch. I defer to the quarter inch. Hey Matt has 10 1/4 inch hands. Who do you think he is? The small hands guy that used to be in the burger king commercials? Edited September 5, 2019 by DallasMac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Beane/Allen said: Barclay has 8 and a half inch hands and Bojorquez 8 and 3/4 inch. if this comes from the same source as the Melvin Gordon info, I'm starting to doubt it... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matt-barkley?id=2539308 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beane/Allen Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: if this comes from the same source as the Melvin Gordon info, I'm starting to doubt it... http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/matt-barkley?id=2539308 In my defense, hand size is not my area of expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Beane/Allen said: In my defense, hand size is not my area of expertise. Mine either...but I can Google like nobody's business 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: Since Borjoquez is on very thin ice, we could have another season of musical chairs at the P position. Why keep switching holders when the backup QB can provide stability there? Years ago the backup QBs were the holders. Frank Reich did it for years. Doesn't it make more sense for the holder to be someone with a secure roster spot that the kicking unit can get used to having around? Paging Romo...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 That is what I was thinking, since last year when Bojo made that stupid play. Why is that guy a holder??? Barkley should do it and I think it would be better for SH and also gives you the perfect opportunity to do some trick plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I think Barkley should know how to but shouldn't be the full time holder. How about throwing Beasley out there. Best hands on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Now I know I’m getting older and my memory can get hazy, but two things come to mind here: 1. Has Barkley ever held for kicks? 2. The stuff about him getting hurt etc.? Go back and watch the comeback game. Christie’s holder wore # 14. Fellow named Reich. The starting QB that day. Concerns about a holder getting hurt seems overblown at minimum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Yes Reich was the holder, this isn't 1993 however, things have changed. How many teams today use backup QB's as holders? Don't think many do anymore. The issue as has been pointed out, Barkley then would lose QB practice time and would become disruptive having to leave drills, whatever they are doing to work with the kicker. In 1993 was easy for Marv to tell Frank, you need to stay an extra hour to work with the kickers. Today, that violates the CBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Yes Reich was the holder, this isn't 1993 however, things have changed. How many teams today use backup QB's as holders? Don't think many do anymore. The issue as has been pointed out, Barkley then would lose QB practice time and would become disruptive having to leave drills, whatever they are doing to work with the kicker. In 1993 was easy for Marv to tell Frank, you need to stay an extra hour to work with the kickers. Today, that violates the CBA. Good points. If Bojorquez is important to Hauschka performing then keep him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Antonio said: That is what I was thinking, since last year when Bojo made that stupid play. Why is that guy a holder??? Barkley should do it and I think it would be better for SH and also gives you the perfect opportunity to do some trick plays. Yeah, thought about trick play potential as well. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Beane/Allen said: Barclay has 8 and a half inch hands and Bojorquez 8 and 3/4 inch. I defer to the quarter inch. That's what she said 2 hours ago, dubs said: Why didn’t they keep Sills V!?!? Because he sucks at wide receivering 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: I hate that it's 3 days before kickoff and we're still talking about punters and holders. I just want it figured out. We're still talking about it. The Bills apparently are going with Bojo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 This may be waaaaaaaay out there, but has anyone thought that Barkley just may not be good at holding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: I am almost always in favor of the holder being a WR. I want a guy back there that is used to catching the ball at different levels. The ideal guy, for me, would be a WR that is also a special teams player, since he would be practicing with the ST unit most of the time anyway. So, I submit that the best holder for this team, this year, would be Andre Roberts. Bills used to have Bob Chandler hold for the kicker but one time he got hammered on a 3rd down pass play and had to come out of the game, couldn't hold for the FG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 32 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: That's what she said Because he sucks at wide receivering I was kidding, obviously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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