transient Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Who knew Nate was stash-worthy! Did someone say... "STACHE WORTHY ~~cheesy background music begins to play~~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 31 minutes ago, klos63 said: He has a career QB rating of 32.5. How is he still in the league? Pictures of Roger Goodell at Kraft's Christmas party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Rico said: Small tear in an elbow ligament? Well, that explains what went wrong here. We should have known all along! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, klos63 said: He has a career QB rating of 32.5. How is he still in the league? Because Jon David Gruden loves him. Knock on wood if you’re with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilton Bills Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I really do not get all the Nathan Peterman hate/slander posts that continually pop up here. Same for the EJ hate. Time to move on, grow up and quit being so negative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just now, Wilton Bills said: I really do not get all the Nathan Peterman hate/slander posts that continually pop up here. Same for the EJ hate. Time to move on, grow up and quit being so negative. I can only speak for me on this but, just like Jason Croom & Connor McDermott, he doesn’t deserve to be collecting an NFL check. Good for all of them for doing it but it is newsworthy that he was placed on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wilton Bills said: I really do not get all the Nathan Peterman hate/slander posts that continually pop up here. Same for the EJ hate. Time to move on, grow up and quit being so negative. Slander? OK, so did you actually watch games with them at QB? EJ basically was a project QB who utterly failed to impress (NOTE that Josh Allen LOOKS like a franchise QB with a bad team as a rookie, so no "they threw him to the wolves" nonsense) and his career fizzled when he went elsewhere, so we weren't wrong as labeling him a bust. If he was so damn good, like Tyrod, he would have stuck around as a starter. So, I'm more than grown, man. When you are the worst Bills QB of all time, you are going to get a lot of negative posts. Deal with it. Like Perry Tuttle, Walt Patulski and other major busts, Bills fans have every right to be negative after such a poor performance and then Allen comes in and suddenly we're rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, Wilton Bills said: I really do not get all the Nathan Peterman hate/slander posts that continually pop up here. Same for the EJ hate. Time to move on, grow up and quit being so negative. Unending ridicule, or an NFL contract? Which does he deserve? Does he Ride the pine? Or the unemployment line? Not Late Nate, he’s on Injured Reserve! Peterman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, klos63 said: He has a career QB rating of 32.5. How is he still in the league? SMH. SMDH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Slightly better? I don't think Barkley is a stud but he is a hell of a lot better than Peterman. Do we know that? I mean, take a look at Barkley’s first year performances. He wasn’t historically awful like Peterman in San Diego, but he was just a slightly better kind of awful. He did have one big game for the Bills, but I see a lot of folks ready to forget that he was “just another USC QB bust” about 10 months ago ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, Wilton Bills said: I really do not get all the Nathan Peterman hate/slander posts that continually pop up here. Same for the EJ hate. Time to move on, grow up and quit being so negative. What is the slander? I don't hate Peterman the man, but Peterman the QB set records - the league record for most INTs thrown in 100 passing attempts, the league record for most INTs thrown in a half etc etc. I get flack for suggesting a TD/INT record of 1.5 is OK for a successful NFL QB (not a great QB, just a guy you can win with and build around). Peterman has a TD/INT record of 0.25 (12 INT to 3 TD). He's got a career QBR of 32.5. Those are not the kind of records you want to set. Those are not slanders, they're facts. Find me another rookie QB with those stats who is still in the league, and I'll concede you a point. And frankly, if snakebit long-time Bills fans look at Peterman's record in the NFL and feel the shiver-fingers down their spine wondering if McDermott and Beane really are all that, HOW could they go into the season with Peterman as the team's annointed starter and no other QB on the roster but a known-to-be-raw rookie - well, they're entitled. This wasn't in the distant past, this was just last year! The only thing I can figure is that Peterman must have something in the film room and on the whiteboard that acts on OCs and QB coaches like catnip on cats - they simply can't resist it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Being at the game personally that Peterman butchered, ruined my game day experience. I'm entitled to some venomous payback if I so choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What is the slander? I don't hate Peterman the man, but Peterman the QB set records - the league record for most INTs thrown in 100 passing attempts, the league record for most INTs thrown in a half etc etc. I get flack for suggesting a TD/INT record of 1.5 is OK for a successful NFL QB (not a great QB, just a guy you can win with and build around). Peterman has a TD/INT record of 0.25 (12 INT to 3 TD). He's got a career QBR of 32.5. Those are not the kind of records you want to set. Those are not slanders, they're facts. Find me another rookie QB with those stats who is still in the league, and I'll concede you a point. And frankly, if snakebit long-time Bills fans look at Peterman's record in the NFL and feel the shiver-fingers down their spine wondering if McDermott and Beane really are all that, HOW could they go into the season with Peterman as the team's annointed starter and no other QB on the roster but a known-to-be-raw rookie - well, they're entitled. This wasn't in the distant past, this was just last year! The only thing I can figure is that Peterman must have something in the film room and on the whiteboard that acts on OCs and QB coaches like catnip on cats - they simply can't resist it I really do apologize. I can't stop myself with these "Burma Shave" style quips. like catnip on cats - the coach can't resist it It must be some sort of dark art If he is indeed talented, Most of us missed it His long ball’s as weak as a fart Peterman Edited September 3, 2019 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Do we know that? I mean, take a look at Barkley’s first year performances. He wasn’t historically awful like Peterman in San Diego, but he was just a slightly better kind of awful. He did have one big game for the Bills, but I see a lot of folks ready to forget that he was “just another USC QB bust” about 10 months ago ... And Peterman is by almost every metric the worst Quarterback to start multiple NFL games. People seem to have forgotten just how bad he was. A normal QB bust is still significantly better than Nathan Peterman. EJ Manuel was significantly better than Nathan Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Phew. That saves me a bet.... Equally I don't consider... There’s a set of extenuating circumstances that could tie that bet up in litigation for years! ? Good sight he’s on IR. Someone might have claimed him had he been placed on Oakland’s Uber squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Wow it wasn't my take... you did the quote wrong!!! sorry my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't hate Peterman the man My only problem with Peterman the man was when he told us fans after he cost us the Houston game with another of his pick 6 specials that we couldn't judge him because we are not his God. No Nathan. I am a real human. With eyes. And a brain. I watched you and I can judge you. Othere than that he seemed like a decent, humble sort of fellow. But he was an utterly atrocious NFL Quarterback. Statistically the worst NFL Quarterback to make multiple NFL starts in fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 14 hours ago, Rico said: Small tear in an elbow ligament? Well, that explains what went wrong here. ..bruised ego??....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Still not sure how Peterman keeps a job...he is a terrible QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And Peterman is by almost every metric the worst Quarterback to start multiple NFL games. People seem to have forgotten just how bad he was. A normal QB bust is still significantly better than Nathan Peterman. EJ Manuel was significantly better than Nathan Peterman. I'm not denying the obvious .... Peterman set a new standard. But Barkley was, in fact, horrid as a rookie: 30-49, 0 TD, 4 INT, 44.6 QB rating. It's easier to miss because it was spread out between 3 games. And he wasn't even EJ Manuel quality when he finally got a chance to start with the Bears: 8 TD, 14 INT, 68.3 QB rating, 1-5 record as a starter. I don't think it's inconceivable that when all is said and done Nate Peterman will have a career that is the equal of Matt Barkley's. Which probably says more about how fans are suggesting we have one of the best backup QBs in football than it does about anything else, which is my general point here ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I'm not denying the obvious .... Peterman set a new standard. But Barkley was, in fact, horrid as a rookie: 30-49, 0 TD, 4 INT, 44.6 QB rating. It's easier to miss because it was spread out between 3 games. And he wasn't even EJ Manuel quality when he finally got a chance to start with the Bears: 8 TD, 14 INT, 68.3 QB rating, 1-5 record as a starter. I don't think it's inconceivable that when all is said and done Nate Peterman will have a career that is the equal of Matt Barkley's. Which probably says more about how fans are suggesting we have one of the best backup QBs in football than it does about anything else, which is my general point here ... No he won't. Peterman has no career. He isn't even a has been. He is a never was. Barkley might be no better than a bottom end backup and he would still be twice the Quarterback Nathan Peterman was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 16 hours ago, WVUFootball29 said: He's really good in practice, just like Trent Edwards Trent was a decent QB until..... not a single Bill was even remotely aware that this great player on the other team was coming, many of us yelled out "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!" as he showed he was blitzing.... nighty night, baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I swear to christ I have never wanted a team to flop as bad as the raiders Just watched the last episode of hard knocks.....did Gruden REALLY not meet personally with the players he cut? That has to be one of the most fake ass people I have ever seen. I hope Keelan Doss comes back and catches 5 touchdeowns against that team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I swear to christ I have never wanted a team to flop as bad as the raiders Just watched the last episode of hard knocks.....did Gruden REALLY not meet personally with the players he cut? That has to be one of the most fake ass people I have ever seen. I hope Keelan Doss comes back and catches 5 touchdeowns against that team started with them giving insane FA contracts to men who fluked out and achieved SB MVP recognition too bad, this was the most admirable franchise in the NFL for my start in the early 70s, for a decade... Edited September 4, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/3/2019 at 5:55 AM, GunnerBill said: No he won't. Peterman has no career. He isn't even a has been. He is a never was. Barkley might be no better than a bottom end backup and he would still be twice the Quarterback Nathan Peterman was. Exactly, Peterman crumbles against starters. Always has and always will. Gruden will find out the hard way just like we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Exactly, Peterman crumbles against starters. Always has and always will. Gruden will find out the hard way just like we did. This is so blown out of proportion. For his five interception game, the first interception was a tipped ball, the second he was hit as he threw, the third he was hit as he threw, the fourth was on him, and the fifth the receiver ran the wrong route. Peterman doesn't deserve nearly as much hate as he gets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: This is so blown out of proportion. For his five interception game, the first interception was a tipped ball, the second he was hit as he threw, the third he was hit as he threw, the fourth was on him, and the fifth the receiver ran the wrong route. Peterman doesn't deserve nearly as much hate as he gets. Knowing when not to throw and when to take a sack is part of the job. Peterman is the worst starting Quarterback to ever start multiple NFL games. 4 times the Bills trotted him out there as the starter. Four freaking times. I still say he should never even have been draftable. I hated his college tape and said so long before he was a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Knowing when not to throw and when to take a sack is part of the job. Peterman is the worst starting Quarterback to ever start multiple NFL games. 4 times the Bills trotted him out there as the starter. Four freaking times. I still say he should never even have been draftable. I hated his college tape and said so long before he was a Bill. Okay, hear me out ... Let me preface by saying I have no formal training and I don't claim to be any kind of psychologist. But I'm starting to think that you believe Nate Peterman isn't a very good QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Okay, hear me out ... Let me preface by saying I have no formal training and I don't claim to be any kind of psychologist. But I'm starting to think that you believe Nate Peterman isn't a very good QB. "Isn't very good" is an understatement. If that is what a Quarterback looks like I'd rather watch baseball. And baseball sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: And baseball sucks. That was just plain unnecessary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Knowing when not to throw and when to take a sack is part of the job. Peterman is the worst starting Quarterback to ever start multiple NFL games. 4 times the Bills trotted him out there as the starter. Four freaking times. I still say he should never even have been draftable. I hated his college tape and said so long before he was a Bill. That is true. But apparently a Superbowl winning coach agrees with my assessment. And you really only have your message board credentials. I suspect I'm on the right side of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdragon2 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That is true. But apparently a Superbowl winning coach agrees with my assessment. And you really only have your message board credentials. I suspect I'm on the right side of this one. I mean....do you really want to hang your hat on the fact Jon Gruden won a superbowl? He did facilitate trading Khalil Mack as well as trading Amari Cooper....he may have gone senile.... I'd trust the credentials. Or you know....my eyes. The fact I seen, with my eyes, Nathan Peterman have the worst starts of any quarterback since records were kept. I will agree with one thing though, he gets far more crap then he deserves. He wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed.... that being said, I don't think he would have succeeded even had he had the 2018 colts offensive line and top 3 receivers in the league. He just isn't good. Edited September 4, 2019 by Jdragon2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jdragon2 said: I mean....do you really want to hang your hat on the fact Jon Gruden won a superbowl? He did facilitate trading Khalil Mack as well as trading Amari Cooper....he may have gone senile.... I'd trust the credentials. Or you know....my eyes. The fact I seen, with my eyes, Nathan Peterman have the worst starts of any quarterback in since records were kept. I will agree with one thing though, he gets far more crap then he deserves. He wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed.... that being said, I don't think he would have succeeded even had he had the 2018 colts offensive line and top 3 receivers in the league. He just isn't good. That is fair, don't get me wrong. I'm not sure those trades were just about talent. He has ten years, and I get the impression he wants things to go a certain way. I realize this is a what have you done for me lately, but Gruden deserves a ton more respect than he gets. The fans and media are short sighted. That is why they tend to be on the wrong side of history so often. Lastly, there is nothing I trust less than a message board's fan's "eye test." There is no reason in the world to think you have any idea what you are looking at. No offense. Just to add to this: It is better to know what you don't know than to be overconfident. The fan "eye test" is the ultimate example of overconfidence. Edited September 4, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That is true. But apparently a Superbowl winning coach agrees with my assessment. And you really only have your message board credentials. I suspect I'm on the right side of this one. I suspect you are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I suspect you are not. It is almost as if we are debating a question that has no answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, Gugny said: That was just plain unnecessary. I know, it's kind of a known fact. In other news, water is wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 23 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: It is almost as if we are debating a question that has no answer. Well it does have an answer.... it is not like Peterman has only got on the field that once against the Chargers. He has got on the field plenty and has been woefully inadequate every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Well it does have an answer.... it is not like Peterman has only got on the field that once against the Chargers. He has got on the field plenty and has been woefully inadequate every time. OK, Gunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: OK, Gunner Is that not a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: OK, Gunner 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Is that not a fact? Some say facts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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