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Once defenses gameplan for him I expect Murray to get murdered just like Rosen. They had the worst Oline in the NFL and I don't think it's improved very much. They allowed something like 17 sacks under 2.5 seconds. I don't care how slippery they think he is, that team is still going to suck. 

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2 hours ago, JoeF said:

"Allen’s stats were opposite Murray’s, but so were some other things. He was in an advantageous position all game, with many short-yardage down situations, a short field, and a strong run game. Allen also took almost every snap out of shotgun and made a lot of quick, safe, short passes. He completed five passes to Cole Beasley just past the line of scrimmage and a couple more to LeSean McCoy. These are the equivalent of run plays in 2019. Any NFL quarterback can catch the snap in shotgun and make a five-yard pass to his first read."

 

There was no run game when Allen was in the game...

 

The first drive was 3 rushes for 3 yards

The second drive was 2 rushes for 4 yards

 

7 yards rushing in 108 gained (10 yard penalty) -- and penalties, sacks and 3/4 third down conversions...I am all for good analysis and this ain't it

 

That was all I needed to know. I refuse to click. 

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2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Lesson #2.  Make sure the title reflects what an IDIOT the articles author is 

Lesson # whatever: Don’t be such an overbearing knowitall ass to posters ....sheesh

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2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

So just for the hell of it I Googled  the guy.  He has no credibility, fancies himself an expert on and writes on different sports, pop culture, whatever seems to strike his fancy.

 

This is what “journalism” has become.  Any fool with access to a phone or keyboard can write whatever they want.  There must be a way for TBD to discourage posting drivel like this.

 

Anybody who is willing to generate content "just for the experience and exposure."

 

I stopped at FanDuel Sportsbook (Meadowlands) yesterday and put money on the Bills making the playoffs (+400,) and winning the Super Bowl. (+8000. Why not?) The more crap about Allen and the Bills gets out there, the better the payouts become, so bring it on.

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This guy, the writer, not the poster, HAS TO BE TROLLING. There's no way anyone could write that and think it is true. I mean you have to really try to write something that bass ackwards. It is like he was writing comedy he is so opposite to reality. At best you may be able to say preseason doesn't matter and Kyler could be great and Allen not so much despite the way they looked in preseason, not because of it. The writer has to be trolling.

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2 hours ago, Plano said:

Kyler Murray is going to be throwing the ball into the infield after he catches a fly ball while playing baseball for the A's.   

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2 hours ago, stosh64 said:

I don't get the agenda being pushed for Murray.:blink:

Bucky Brooks labels Murray a "Generational Talent" before he even plays a down in the regular season.  WTF?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001041986/article/nfls-generational-talents-under-25-kyler-murray-belongs-in-club

 

I just don't see it with Murray yet.

 

Consider the source with the OP.

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BWAHAHAHAHA

Check out the Twitter responses to this tools opinion "article".

 

 

 

 

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It will be interesting to see how much abuse Murry is willing to take before he bails for baseball if things arent going well.

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"Allen’s stats were opposite Murray’s, but so were some other things. He was in an advantageous position all game, with many short-yardage down situations, a short field, and a strong run game."

 

You luddites, don't you know that 8 rushes for 9 yards is a "strong Run game"?

 

 

 

Someone posted this as a response, I hadn't seen it yet- good breakdown- Also, this response: 

 

 

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Yeah, IMO Murray has bust written all over him whereas Allen not so much.

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Josh Allen is productive, but productivity alone doesn’t make you a good NFL quarterback.

 

 

Productivity is the very definition of good, maybe not greatness but it is definitely the definition of good.

 

yeah that article just proves anyone can be a op-ed journalist

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This guy Anderson may believe that Murray is ahead of Allen and a "generational talent" but he should recognize that his book of work to date has been a couple poor pre-season performances along with playing in a major college program in a QB friendly system surrounded by outstanding talent as almost every position on the offense.  While Allen QB'd a poor Wyoming team supported by not a lot of talent and a less than perfect environment for grooming and developing a QB.  So yeah, Murray looked like a world beater on the highlight reel and on Saturday's.   Being prepared to assume a pro career in baseball parlance Murray started his pro career on third base and Allen started his at the plate facing a 1-2 count.

 

When Allen returned from injury last season he played decent football, certainly there was room for improvement.  And there obviously still is but by any measure I "see" improvement in his game based on work to date in the pre-season.  Having a better supporting cast and a year of experience at the pro level helps.  Maybe Murray improves and becomes a great QB and he starts to get the support from his teammates on offense that every QB needs to be successful.  If he does great for the Cardinals and for him.  As a Bills fan I won't be paying too much attention to Murray or the Cardinals once the season starts.        

 

 

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3 hours ago, JD333 said:

Kyler Murray Is Better Than He Looks This Preseason — and Josh Allen Is Worse

Numbers don’t tell the whole story. Murray is much closer to being a successful NFL quarterback than Allen.


KYLER MURRAY AND JOSH ALLEN ARE TWO OF THE MORE INTRIGUING YOUNG NFL QUARTERBACKS. Murray is a rookie, the number one pick who was handed the reins to the Arizona Cardinals offense. Allen surprised pundits by going seventh last year, then surprised them again by looking better than expected down the stretch for the Buffalo Bills.

 

https://medium.com/sportsraid/kyler-murray-better-than-josh-allen-nfl-preseason-analysis-arizona-cardinals-buffalo-bills-quarterback-36f18ad3c990

 

 

This article makes very little sense.   Who makes future projections based on preseason football?   Didn’t Murray face the same depleted and “vanilla” defense that Allen did?  

 

 

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3 hours ago, Chris from Rochester said:

I saw another "article" yesterday saying Josh Allen is ranked 32nd out of all the qbs this year. I wonder sometimes if people are still upset at him for his controversial tweets he mad when he was like 15 or whatever and desperately want him to fail.  It's obnoxious all the hate he gets

I think it has more to do with their pre-draft analysis of Allen. 

 

Article after article was written saying that he would never be a good NFL QB. That nobody with his college stats has ever made it in the NFL and if he did make it he would be the biggest statistical outlier of all times (or something along those lines, I can’t remember exactly). 

 

Some said he’d be a great test for old school scouting vs. new school analytics (etc). 

 

So they aren’t going down without a fight (and to be fair, Allen still has plenty to prove)

 

 

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1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

"Allen’s stats were opposite Murray’s, but so were some other things. He was in an advantageous position all game, with many short-yardage down situations, a short field, and a strong run game."

 

You luddites, don't you know that 8 rushes for 9 yards is a "strong Run game"?

 

 

 

Someone posted this as a response, I hadn't seen it yet- good breakdown- Also, this response: 

 

 

 

I now also realize that I didn't notice how Allen froze the safety in waiting for Beasley to get open.  If he stares down Beasley (like he would have last year) the safety would have cheated to the slot and Allen wouldn't have a clear passing lane.

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4 hours ago, JD333 said:

Kyler Murray Is Better Than He Looks This Preseason — and Josh Allen Is Worse

Numbers don’t tell the whole story. Murray is much closer to being a successful NFL quarterback than Allen.


KYLER MURRAY AND JOSH ALLEN ARE TWO OF THE MORE INTRIGUING YOUNG NFL QUARTERBACKS. Murray is a rookie, the number one pick who was handed the reins to the Arizona Cardinals offense. Allen surprised pundits by going seventh last year, then surprised them again by looking better than expected down the stretch for the Buffalo Bills.

 

https://medium.com/sportsraid/kyler-murray-better-than-josh-allen-nfl-preseason-analysis-arizona-cardinals-buffalo-bills-quarterback-36f18ad3c990

 

Let me guess....Murray doesnt have anyone to throw to now and Allen does.....right?   I havent read it

 

Guess wht....tough *****......Darnold had ppl to throw to last year and nobody said *****

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The fact that the writer was surprised Allen was picked 7th shows how little he knows.  Almost every mock draft had Allen higher.  The only surprise was that he lasted to 7th.  

 

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4 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I am not even going to click on that link and give the author or the website any validation. The entire premise is ridiculous. This appears to be someone who predicted Josh Allen would be a bust and he is desperate to be right.

 

OP needs to put in his post not to actually click.  I read the story and it is just as bad as you imagine.  Every thing that was bad for Murray happened to him not because of him and everything good that happened for Allen was in spite of him not because of him.  Clear clickbait garbage.  I'm mad at myself for clicking on the link.  At least I had my adblock on :lol:

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