JD333 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Kyler Murray Is Better Than He Looks This Preseason — and Josh Allen Is Worse Numbers don’t tell the whole story. Murray is much closer to being a successful NFL quarterback than Allen. Brandon Anderson KYLER MURRAY AND JOSH ALLEN ARE TWO OF THE MORE INTRIGUING YOUNG NFL QUARTERBACKS. Murray is a rookie, the number one pick who was handed the reins to the Arizona Cardinals offense. Allen surprised pundits by going seventh last year, then surprised them again by looking better than expected down the stretch for the Buffalo Bills. https://medium.com/sportsraid/kyler-murray-better-than-josh-allen-nfl-preseason-analysis-arizona-cardinals-buffalo-bills-quarterback-36f18ad3c990 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 This is just ***** stupid. Stoooooo-Pid. And it reeks of an agenda. 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Welcome to the world where missing passes and taking sacks shows development, and hitting your first read and an ability to scramble makes you Tim Tebow. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Ralonzo said: Welcome to the world where missing passes and taking sacks shows development, and hitting your first read and an ability to scramble makes you Tim Tebow. Like I said, stupid. Who is that guy and what's he smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Like I said, stupid. Who is that guy and what's he smoking? 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Dumb article...none of this matters until the real season starts and then we will see the truth. However Allen has looked night and day different from last year. He seems like he understands what to do in any given situation now and the concept of what they are trying to do on the play. That being said how will he be at diagnosing hidden coverages once the season starts? Edited August 20, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: This is just ***** stupid. Stoooooo-Pid. And it reeks of an agenda. What he said 1000 times over Incredible 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 "Allen’s stats were opposite Murray’s, but so were some other things. He was in an advantageous position all game, with many short-yardage down situations, a short field, and a strong run game. Allen also took almost every snap out of shotgun and made a lot of quick, safe, short passes. He completed five passes to Cole Beasley just past the line of scrimmage and a couple more to LeSean McCoy. These are the equivalent of run plays in 2019. Any NFL quarterback can catch the snap in shotgun and make a five-yard pass to his first read." There was no run game when Allen was in the game... The first drive was 3 rushes for 3 yards The second drive was 2 rushes for 4 yards 7 yards rushing in 108 gained (10 yard penalty) -- and penalties, sacks and 3/4 third down conversions...I am all for good analysis and this ain't it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Dear Rookie. Lesson #1 at TBD. If you post ridiculous stories like that ... Expect to get grilled mercilessly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 So just for the hell of it I Googled the guy. He has no credibility, fancies himself an expert on and writes on different sports, pop culture, whatever seems to strike his fancy. This is what “journalism” has become. Any fool with access to a phone or keyboard can write whatever they want. There must be a way for TBD to discourage posting drivel like this. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 So let me get this straight - because he successfully put his team in short yardage situations, he is bad? got it 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I am not even going to click on that link and give the author or the website any validation. The entire premise is ridiculous. This appears to be someone who predicted Josh Allen would be a bust and he is desperate to be right. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Looking at the title of the thread, I thought it was about who would win in a fight. Allen, hands down. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 That article essentially asks you to not believe what you saw and just believe what he tells you with nothing to back it up. Awful 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So let me get this straight - because he successfully put his team in short yardage situations, he is bad? got it I never stopped to think how bad Tom Brady really is. He may actually be the worst QB of all time. Edited August 20, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Which QB faced a better defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: If you're going to create a burner account just to troll, I suggest being a better troll. I give this effort a 1 out of 10. I for one don't mind stories like this getting posted. Nothing bonds a fanbase like taking an anencephalic human pinata like the author and metaphorically putting him in the TBD stocks to be pelted with offal and rotting cabbage by the gentry. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I had to write a response to the article on that page. I know I shouldn't give the guy the time of day, but I couldn't help it. This is the comment I left... That was absolute garbage. I feel like my IQ went down 20 points after reading that idiotic take. The story just screamed of an agenda and “look at me and my unique insight.” You excused every mistake that Murray made, and there were many, while belittling every good play that Allen made. It would be amusing if this were an Onion article, but sadly I think you might actually believe the ridiculous words that you wrote. Murray may end up being a good QB, but your analytical skills will always be third string. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) ...BILL Murray looks better than Kyler Murray PERIOD....... Edited August 20, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Did this guy not watch Allen play last year? He had a swarm of defenders in his face on just about every drop back with our JV Oline and still ripped off many nice plays and won some games in HIS rookie season. JA>KM at this point and its prob by a mile. The future will only show if that gap can even become close. Silly writer looking for click bait hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So let me get this straight - because he successfully put his team in short yardage situations, he is bad? got it Yea and Murray never had a chance because he kept facing 3rd and 11. Presumably Josh Rosen was still playing Quarterback for the Cards on first and second down was he? Must be all his fault. If he thinks all of Allen's short passes on Friday were his first read he hasn't watched the film. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Who the hell is Brandon Anderson? The amount of vitriolic hate for Josh Allen is unbelievable - this guy clearly did not see the last game of the season against Miami. Granted Josh had some throws that were way of target last year, but he almost had a .500 record as a starter with the league’s worst offensive line and receiving core. Only one thing to do Josh - shove it up this guy’s a$$. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: I for one don't mind stories like this getting posted. Nothing bonds a fanbase like taking an anencephalic human pinata like the author and metaphorically putting him in the TBD stocks to be pelted with offal and rotting cabbage by the gentry. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD333 Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Dear Rookie. Lesson #1 at TBD. If you post ridiculous stories like that ... Expect to get grilled mercilessly 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: If you're going to create a burner account just to troll, I suggest being a better troll. I give this effort a 1 out of 10. I did not mean this to be trolling attempt. I am a big Josh Allen fan. I posted this just to show how ridiculous this national media can be when covering Josh Allen 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris from Rochester Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I saw another "article" yesterday saying Josh Allen is ranked 32nd out of all the qbs this year. I wonder sometimes if people are still upset at him for his controversial tweets he mad when he was like 15 or whatever and desperately want him to fail. It's obnoxious all the hate he gets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Kyler Murray is going to be throwing the ball into the backs of his O-line. Guy is the size of a middle schooler. NEXT 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Chris from Rochester said: I saw another "article" yesterday saying Josh Allen is ranked 32nd out of all the qbs this year. I wonder sometimes if people are still upset at him for his controversial tweets he mad when he was like 15 or whatever and desperately want him to fail. It's obnoxious all the hate he gets That one was a peach as well. The logic was something like, Allen had better passing numbers than Rosen but we rank Rosen higher because his OL sucked. Also, Allen scrambled better than Jackson but we rank Jackson higher because he gained more yards on designed QB runs. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, JD333 said: I did not mean this to be trolling attempt. I am a big Josh Allen fan. I posted this just to show how ridiculous this national media can be when covering Josh Allen Lesson #2. Make sure the title reflects what an IDIOT the articles author is 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD333 Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Lesson #2. Make sure the title reflects what an IDIOT the articles author is Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 19 minutes ago, JoeF said: "Allen’s stats were opposite Murray’s, but so were some other things. He was in an advantageous position all game, with many short-yardage down situations, a short field, and a strong run game. Allen also took almost every snap out of shotgun and made a lot of quick, safe, short passes. He completed five passes to Cole Beasley just past the line of scrimmage and a couple more to LeSean McCoy. These are the equivalent of run plays in 2019. Any NFL quarterback can catch the snap in shotgun and make a five-yard pass to his first read." There was no run game when Allen was in the game... The first drive was 3 rushes for 3 yards The second drive was 2 rushes for 4 yards 7 yards rushing in 108 gained (10 yard penalty) -- and penalties, sacks and 3/4 third down conversions...I am all for good analysis and this ain't it So, when the Pats* do it for almost the entirety of Brady's career, it's genius and creative, when the Bills second year QB does it because the coaching staff is DRILLING him into knowing when to take the easy 5 yards and NOT toss a 100 yard bomb that's intercepted, *that's* just poor QB play.....riiiiiight, got it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, JD333 said: I did not mean this to be trolling attempt. I am a big Josh Allen fan. I posted this just to show how ridiculous this national media can be when covering Josh Allen Therein lies the problem. You consider any fool writing a blog national media. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Plano said: Kyler Murray is going to be throwing the ball into the backs of his O-line. Guy is the size of a middle schooler. Edited August 20, 2019 by billsfan1959 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) I don't get the agenda being pushed for Murray. Bucky Brooks labels Murray a "Generational Talent" before he even plays a down in the regular season. WTF? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001041986/article/nfls-generational-talents-under-25-kyler-murray-belongs-in-club I just don't see it with Murray yet. Consider the source with the OP. BWAHAHAHAHA Check out the Twitter responses to this tools opinion "article". Edited August 20, 2019 by stosh64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 After watching "Every Kyler Murphy run and pass" and all of Allen's throws, I assume this is how the author views football. Pass far = good Pass short = vanilla/bad He's chucking it down field, but doesn't complete a single pass beyond the sticks. Somehow that is better than completing short passes and moving the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 What the f*** does Brandon Anderson know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Murray was absolutely horrible. No, he is not better than he looks. They can bag on Josh Allen if they want but Murray was putrid. Seems like someone has a weird axe to grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I think Murray is a really good prospect and very well might end up being the better QB between the two. Having said that, I'm not going to waste my time reading that article because it just sounds stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Comically premature agenda driven assumptions. I remain steadfast in the camp that Murray has EXCELLENT BUST potential. Could he be great yes but i highly doubt it. Edited August 20, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I've made up my mind. Don't confuse me with facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JD333 said: . https://medium.com/sportsraid/kyler-murray-better-than-josh-allen-nfl-preseason-analysis-arizona-cardinals-buffalo-bills-quarterback-36f18ad3c990 Just when you have given up hope that there are stupid writers to entertain and baffle us, something like this comes along ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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