MAGA-Man Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: That article essentially asks you to not believe what you saw and just believe what he tells you with nothing to back it up. Awful So just like CNN! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Why do people even post these? Is it really worth getting the "cool" points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I think I see the authors point. Allen is worse than he looked. Because He looked like Tom Brady firing darts, moving chains, hitting the short open stuff perfectly on time and in rhythm over the middle and outside. But He’s not shown he’s a sure fire first ballot hall of famer just yet. And Kyler looked inept, over his head and like he has no business being on an nfl feild ever, but he might be a solid back up someday. So he almost has to be better than he looked. the only part that’s a miss is contrasting the two. I’m not sure that part added up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Murray won't survive the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Lesson # whatever: Don’t be such an overbearing knowitall ass to posters ....sheesh Lesson # 3 don't talk shite until you have a clue. I was trying to help the kid out douche based on his reply to me he understood my meaning Edited August 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Yeah, so this guy looks credible with his 5,200 followers. In other words, 0 actual f***s are given about what this dork has to say. Edited August 20, 2019 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Terrible article. I need more media analysis like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) I got into a YouTube argument ( yes I have those ) with this guy over the same things that this guy says in this article and it’s SO ridiculous. Last year Allen completion was at 52% in large part because of his shots downfield and his inaccuracy in the short game and people said he couldn’t hit the side of a barn. Now Allen comes back this year after working on reading defenses better and taking the short stuff more and now after 2 preseason games his completion percentage is at 68 percent so far and now people ( his haters) is saying it’s only because of dink and dunk. Never mind he is throwing with more anticipation and hitting the medium areas of the field better. I’m not saying this offense is going to be breaking records but after watching these 2 preseason games especially the 2nd on I swear Beasley was looking like a mini Edelman out there. Edited August 20, 2019 by Protocal69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I actually think Rosen will have the better career. I strongly felt Arizona should have traded down. Murray will be in the CFL in 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Does this Anderson moron work for PFF? I'll take the athletic 6-5 guy over Tyrion Lannister. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Why even compare Allen to Murray? One is a rookie and the other is a 2nd year guy. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare Murray to a fellow 2019 draftee like the Giant's David Jones? I mean Jones has had two solid exhibition games and Murray has had a good & bad game. I've never seen anything like the hatred spewed at Allen. I get that the analytics guys don't like his "accuracy" numbers but why do so many of these writers seem to make it personal? This is more then writers thinking Allen will be a bust. This comes across as sports writers taking personal offense at the idea that Allen might actually be good. It's just plain weird. It seems like there's an agenda here and I don't get it. Someone needs to tell these guys that it's possible a bunch of these young QB's are going to shine in the NFL over the next decade. This is NOT a zero sum game. Anyone who has watched football knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 the one thing that i see as interesting out of all of this is the comment about allen doing easier stuff out of shotgun. for the longest time the rule in the NFL is you need to play under center to be a real QB and have success, but more and more (pats especially) you see good offenses just opt for easy mode; spacing out the D, simple pre snap reads, shotgun looks, quick passes, basically playing advantage all the time. dabo has some pats roots, so it makes sense he likes this idea of O, but it is kinda shocking that more teams don't make the game easier for their players like the pats always seem to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, colin said: the one thing that i see as interesting out of all of this is the comment about allen doing easier stuff out of shotgun. for the longest time the rule in the NFL is you need to play under center to be a real QB and have success, but more and more (pats especially) you see good offenses just opt for easy mode; spacing out the D, simple pre snap reads, shotgun looks, quick passes, basically playing advantage all the time. dabo has some pats roots, so it makes sense he likes this idea of O, but it is kinda shocking that more teams don't make the game easier for their players like the pats always seem to do. We are literally running the Pats offense (Erhardt- Perkins) concepts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, Sunshower said: I actually think Rosen will have the better career. I strongly felt Arizona should have traded down. Murray will be in the CFL in 4 years. I don't know if Rosen will have the better career but I definitely think they gave up on him way too early. It would have been fine if there was a Luck type prospect but Murrary isn't even close to that and he barely committed to football at the last minute. Arizona is the most mismanaged team in the league. There are 4 teams I feel have zero chance of playoffs this year - Cardinals, Bengals, Dolphins, and Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I've never seen anything like the hatred spewed at Allen. I get that the analytics guys don't like his "accuracy" numbers but why do so many of these writers seem to make it personal? This is more then writers thinking Allen will be a bust. This comes across as sports writers taking personal offense at the idea that Allen might actually be good. It's just plain weird. Honestly the online analytics community is extremely smug. I follow a lot of them and they can have good points but they get stuck in their opinions forever. They are convinced that they know better than the NFL. On one hand I get it, NFL teams do make incredibly dumb decisions all the time. But no one really knows what QBs will turn out good. I don't know anyone that thought Daniel Jones was a good pick but so far he's looking good, albeit against backups in preseason games but still. I've come around to the thinking that what an NFL team can learn about the person they're drafting is a lot more valuable than any set of statistics. Can analytics factor in Allen's work ethic? His drive? His football intelligence? His relative lack of experience? Can analytics predict how a QB will develop? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't know if Rosen will have the better career but I definitely think they gave up on him way too early. It would have been fine if there was a Luck type prospect but Murrary isn't even close to that and he barely committed to football at the last minute. Arizona is the most mismanaged team in the league. There are 4 teams I feel have zero chance of playoffs this year - Cardinals, Bengals, Dolphins, and Redskins. No doubt. Murray was far far from a sure thing. Could have traded #1 for a boat load of draft picks and rebuilt the entire roster. No faith in Arizona’s FO or coaching staff neither, bad situation for Murray to be in and it doesn’t help that the guy is the size of an Oompa Loompa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Lesson # 3 don't talk shite until you have a clue. I was trying to help the kid out douche based on his reply to me he understood my meaning umm .....pretty sure no one around here needs "help" from a key board forum cop whose claim to authority is 25,000 posts.....bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Said it before. The Internet has changed the way people debate, and not necessarily in a good way. Everyone thinks they are an expert at everything. And very few are willing to admit when they are wrong about something. Most people will double-down, and refuse to budge regardless of the evidence. Josh Allen has always been a PERFECT example of how the general public (a.k.a. the fans) differs from the NFL professionals, when it comes to scouting a college prospect. Fans usually HATE when their teams draft players based on physical potential. They want their GM to take the guys who put up the big stats and had lots of college success. They want guys like Baker Mayfield, Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow. But NFL scouts are paid to see past the NCAA results, and try to forecast how good a guy CAN be. By most accounts, Allen was absolutely loved by most NFL scouts. He had all of the physical, athletic and mental traits desired in an NFL quarterback. The only reason he lasted as long as he did, was because 2018 was an exceptionally strong QB draft. Up until the flood of Draft Websites and YouTube channels, the average fan could scream how STUPID his team was for not drafting Manziel.... but never had to own up to it when that guy turned out to be a bust. Now all of the Internet "experts" are learning how difficult scouting really is, and they can't hide all of their old opinions. But instead of admitting "Maybe the Bills actually did draft the right Josh"... they choose to criticize EVERY inaccurate pass, and downplay any success Allen has. It's actually kinda sad and pathetic. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Protocal69 said: We are literally running the Pats offense (Erhardt- Perkins) concepts exactly, makes me wonder how so few teams have figured it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Dear Rookie. Lesson #1 at TBD. If you post ridiculous stories like that ... Expect to get grilled mercilessly Be nice to the Cardinals fan. We rarely see them on this board. You can take all the shots you want at all the P*ts, JEST and Phish fans wearing Bills colors over their home jerseys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Like I said, stupid. Who is that guy and what's he smoking? Anyone can say something on the Internet and get tons views. Twitter is alive with any crazy group of odd beliefs anyone could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Can you make the font a little larger. It only took 9 scrolls before I got to the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) I just watch condensed Az game. I’m not sure Allen’s worst 20 plays together are this bad. I’m calling kylers choiceto go football over baseball and error. Also he’s roscoe Parrish tiny on the field. Back up is way better Edited August 21, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, mjt328 said: Said it before. The Internet has changed the way people debate, and not necessarily in a good way. Everyone thinks they are an expert at everything. And very few are willing to admit when they are wrong about something. Most people will double-down, and refuse to budge regardless of the evidence. Josh Allen has always been a PERFECT example of how the general public (a.k.a. the fans) differs from the NFL professionals, when it comes to scouting a college prospect. Fans usually HATE when their teams draft players based on physical potential. They want their GM to take the guys who put up the big stats and had lots of college success. They want guys like Baker Mayfield, Johnny Manziel and Tim Tebow. But NFL scouts are paid to see past the NCAA results, and try to forecast how good a guy CAN be. By most accounts, Allen was absolutely loved by most NFL scouts. He had all of the physical, athletic and mental traits desired in an NFL quarterback. The only reason he lasted as long as he did, was because 2018 was an exceptionally strong QB draft. Up until the flood of Draft Websites and YouTube channels, the average fan could scream how STUPID his team was for not drafting Manziel.... but never had to own up to it when that guy turned out to be a bust. Now all of the Internet "experts" are learning how difficult scouting really is, and they can't hide all of their old opinions. But instead of admitting "Maybe the Bills actually did draft the right Josh"... they choose to criticize EVERY inaccurate pass, and downplay any success Allen has. It's actually kinda sad and pathetic. The biggest thing the NFL people have over anyone writing about the draft is that they've actually interviewed the guy in depth. I would say just about every top 10 QB spent significant time with team management before the draft. We know the Bills were on the phone with Allen for a long time the day of the draft talking about his teen nonsense. These writers, especially ones like the author here who looks like he lives in his parents' basement, have never spoken with any of these guys except maybe to ask for an autograph or selfie. They know nothing about the minds of these guys. 6 hours ago, Sunshower said: I actually think Rosen will have the better career. I strongly felt Arizona should have traded down. Murray will be in the CFL in 4 years. Murray will never play in the CFL. He'll go back to baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Plano said: Kyler Murray is going to be throwing the ball into the backs of his O-line. Guy is the size of a middle schooler. NEXT ...Thank you...." " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Murray is worse than Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Brandon Anderson of Medium.com says Kyler Murray is better than he looks this preseason, and Josh Allen is worse. https://medium.com/sportsraid/kyler-murray-better-than-josh-allen-nfl-preseason-analysis-arizona-cardinals-buffalo-bills-quarterback-36f18ad3c990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 This is just stupid at this point. It’s funny because there are probably 2 qbs more different in the nfl. Personally, Murray makes me very nervous as a NFL prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Well, he looks like he knows a lot about football. 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) this scrub just made a medium account to look like he's a professional with his armchair trash sports takes Edited August 21, 2019 by Laughing Coffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I don’t know the guy that wrote this article but just look at him.....and giggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Opinions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Well, he looks like he knows a lot about football. It’s funny because in my head, this is how I pictured you! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Name one single influencial Brandon in history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm not saying that he is into kiddie porn, I'm only saying that he looks and acts and sounds like he is. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Brandon Anderson of Medium.com says Kyler Murray is better than he looks this preseason, and Josh Allen is worse. https://medium.com/sportsraid/kyler-murray-better-than-josh-allen-nfl-preseason-analysis-arizona-cardinals-buffalo-bills-quarterback-36f18ad3c990 Pure speculative bull####. I get that I am a homer but c’mon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, LikeIGiveADarn said: Name one single influencial Brandon in history... Brandon Tartikoff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Name one single influencial Brandon in history... Brandon Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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