3rdand12 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said: FeliCano has shown that is a great back up to Morse and huge upgrade over bodine. I have gained respect for Feliciano, the more reps he is getting. and of course how he plays the game. but mentioning Bodine? it is easy to see the difference. our back up center is quite acceptable so far. Long might be nearly as serviceable with the solid line Bills have. Morse is seeming more like a bit of sausage gravy to me than an absolute need and yes i was thrilled with his aquisition Edited August 17, 2019 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 On August 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM, unbillievable said: Doug Whaley/Nix built a REALLY good roster... with the exception of a quarterback. They don't deserve the hate they get here for that... maybe for Rex, but many people loved that move then too. It's been said that every GM/Couch will be judged by their choice of quarterback, no matter how well he does everywhere else. I guess it's true. This delusion dies so hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 4:06 PM, MJS said: Bunch of useless speculation. Completely silly to be guessing about Morse and his situation. He could go on and play another 10 years, or he could be done tomorrow. Nobody knows anything. Well, it might be "useless speculation" to you but the reality is that Morse's symptoms from his latest concussion have already lasted three or four weeks, which is far longer than any poster on TSW thought they would when he was put into concussion protocol. Lingering symptoms from head trauma are clear indicators of the serious of the injury. Since this was an injury that occurred in practice where hits are much more controlled than during games, Morse's future is very much in doubt. Concussions aren't like broken bones or ligament damage or muscle injuries that heal over time, and players can have long careers without ever experiencing that injury again. The evidence is pretty clear that concussions become more likely and more serious the more of them a player has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 3:41 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: Ruben was always a smart and solid player. On Mitch that is just the reality. Carwell Gardner was the one that had to be restrained from going into the Dolphins locker room to go after Bryan Cox, a Bills fan favorite. Carwell Gardner is one of my all time favorite Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 4:01 PM, brianthomas said: Hindsight is 20/20 but I'm sure we all kinda wish we would've gone after Paradis instead, given what has happened with Morse. Sure you could say: 'we had no way of knowing this would happen". But at the same time, Morse plays a position that is 1 of the more violent places to play. If someone has a history of concussions there, then theres a relatively decent sized risk that he could get more. The question had to be asked before we signed him: 'what if he gets another one?' I'd think Beane & company would've considered that. Did they just determine we'll deal with it IF it happens? Regardless its bad for Morse, bad for us & our Bills. Hopefully he pulls thru but if he doesnt, I hope this is a learning experience for Beane & he won't go after players with this particular injury history in the future, at such a crucial position on the most physical part of the field. Hindsight is 20/20 but most here had heard of the guys concussion history before he got here, I myself as well as many others I am sure thought why sign him to the highest contract a center has ever received, obviously hoping for the best. Just never figured it could possibly bite them in the ass this quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Still in concussion protocol as of today (Sun 8/18). He's finished. Extremely unfortunate but when you have a gambler as General Manager this will happen. Let's hope Feliciano steps in and can become the long-term solution we were hoping for with Morse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Still in concussion protocol as of today (Sun 8/18). He's finished. Extremely unfortunate but when you have a gambler as General Manager this will happen. Let's hope Feliciano steps in and can become the long-term solution we were hoping for with Morse. Perhaps so. Or perhaps we’re just taking it slow, precautionary measures if you will. Doubt Morse hangs em up. Too much money on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Still in concussion protocol as of today (Sun 8/18). He's finished. Extremely unfortunate but when you have a gambler as General Manager this will happen. Let's hope Feliciano steps in and can become the long-term solution we were hoping for with Morse. Wayne, this could be your most dramatic post ever. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Sunshower said: Perhaps so. Or perhaps we’re just taking it slow, precautionary measures if you will. Doubt Morse hangs em up. Too much money on the line. 1 minute ago, Sunshower said: Perhaps so. Or perhaps we’re just taking it slow, precautionary measures if you will. Doubt Morse hangs em up. Too much money on the line. Real concussion protocol is much more stringent than the BS the nfl does. Both my daughters got one playing soccer and the shortest it lasted was 4-5 weeks. If you are truly trying to be 100% symptom free, this is what it takes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say When... Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Still in concussion protocol as of today (Sun 8/18). He's finished. Extremely unfortunate but when you have a gambler as General Manager this will happen. Let's hope Feliciano steps in and can become the long-term solution we were hoping for with Morse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, Sunshower said: Doubt Morse hangs em up. Too much money on the line. He gets paid whether he plays another down again or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: He gets paid whether he plays another down again or not. Are you sure? I thought I saw someone post his contract and it had an injury clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sunshower said: Are you sure? I thought I saw someone post his contract and it had an injury clause. 1 hour ago, Sunshower said: Perhaps so. Or perhaps we’re just taking it slow, precautionary measures if you will. Doubt Morse hangs em up. Too much money on the line. Bills know what they have in Morse and looking who can replace him ? good to see these other men getting solid reps. but yes i would like to see him earn his pay. it was worth the effort by Beane imo to bring him in, sens a signal as well. Bills are not cheap when it come to looking after Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 How “guaranteed” is guaranteed money if the guy never takes a single snap in a Bills uniform? Just curious, obviously hoping the guy comes back and returns to All Pro form. But let’s be real here, these interior lineman maul each other, and it’s only a matter of when, not IF, he suffers another one. So, worse case scenario, hypothetically he’s deemed too much of a liability to put on the field, is there generally some injury settlement in extreme circumstances such as this, or would Buffalo be on the hook for the full guarantee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Sunshower said: Perhaps so. Or perhaps we’re just taking it slow, precautionary measures if you will. Doubt Morse hangs em up. Too much money on the line. If it was caused in practice, the team is in the hook for the money. Most contracts are guaranteed for injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Sorry if this sounds ignorant, but how does a center get a concussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said: Real concussion protocol is much more stringent than the BS the nfl does. Both my daughters got one playing soccer and the shortest it lasted was 4-5 weeks. If you are truly trying to be 100% symptom free, this is what it takes... There are kids playing HS football rn who got through concussion protocol in 1 week I've seen it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 41 minutes ago, Steptide said: Sorry if this sounds ignorant, but how does a center get a concussion? Getting hit in the head.......like all other players? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 :: cue the Bob Cole “He will play!” Stanley Cup Finals Game 6 call from 1994 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Still in concussion protocol as of today (Sun 8/18). He's finished. Extremely unfortunate but when you have a gambler as General Manager this will happen. Let's hope Feliciano steps in and can become the long-term solution we were hoping for with Morse. He's in stage 4. They're just giving him all the time they can to recuperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: He gets paid whether he plays another down again or not. Not if he’s medically cleared and retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: He's in stage 4. They're just giving him all the time they can to recuperate. Who's 'they'? If it was up to McDermott and Beane he would be out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: How “guaranteed” is guaranteed money if the guy never takes a single snap in a Bills uniform? Just curious, obviously hoping the guy comes back and returns to All Pro form. But let’s be real here, these interior lineman maul each other, and it’s only a matter of when, not IF, he suffers another one. So, worse case scenario, hypothetically he’s deemed too much of a liability to put on the field, is there generally some injury settlement in extreme circumstances such as this, or would Buffalo be on the hook for the full guarantee? If he doesn’t get the full guarantee for a career ending injury that occurs in a team activity, when exactly do you think he would? If cleared by docs and still hangs them up it’s different but in the unlikely situation that he never passes the tests of course we are on the hook. 6 minutes ago, Doc said: He's in stage 4. They're just giving him all the time they can to recuperate. I don’t think independent doctors get to judge that it’s preseason and not the playoffs. If he passes the tests they can gladly not play him for a few more weeks but the doctors should not and hopefully are not gaming their diagnosis based on it being camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Who's 'they'? If it was up to McDermott and Beane he would be out there. "They" is any from among Morse, McD, Beane, the trainers and team doctor(s). I have no doubt he'll play opening day. How long he stays concussion-free after that... 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I don’t think independent doctors get to judge that it’s preseason and not the playoffs. If he passes the tests they can gladly not play him for a few more weeks but the doctors should not and hopefully are not gaming their diagnosis based on it being camp. The more time they give him the better. I'd rather save him for the regular season, even if it means some hiccups when he plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 7:53 PM, Buffalo716 said: There are kids playing HS football rn who got through concussion protocol in 1 week I've seen it Doesn’t mean they weren’t pushing it because they wanted them on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 8/16/2019 at 4:42 PM, I am the egg man said: When I played tyro and high school football they'd wave smelling salts under my nose when I "got my bell rung".....translation: I didn't know what happened. Me fine now. dude, your head is all red. look at your avatar. Really fine now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 8:30 PM, nucci said: Getting hit in the head.......like all other players? Wouldn’t even take a hit to the head. Any abrupt cessation of the direction his head happens to be moving in at the time could do it. A jolt to the shoulder pads while he’s leading a sweep, for instance. Or a whiplash action of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, K-9 said: Wouldn’t even take a hit to the head. Any abrupt cessation of the direction his head happens to be moving in at the time could do it. A jolt to the shoulder pads while he’s leading a sweep, for instance. Or a whiplash action of some sort. I just went with the obvious one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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