The Center position in Buffalo

[YoloinOhio]

 

I wonder if this is tied to the OL coach, the QB, or both? I would have assumed it would be the other way around given that Carr is a vet.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Packing a box of Kleenex®️ for the QB’s use?

Edited August 10, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[BuffaloBill]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I wonder if this is tied to the OL coach, the QB, or both? I would have assumed it would be the other way around given that Carr is a vet.

 

 

Would it not be Dabol’s call?  It’s interesting that they put this on Josh.

[Buffalo Boy]

It makes sense, in as much as it forces Allen to be aware of his protections based on what he thinks the D is showing.

[Gray Beard]

I’ve always wondered how the center is supposed to know what blocking scheme to all when his view of the defense is limited because he is bent over or squatting. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

13 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

I’ve always wondered how the center is supposed to know what blocking scheme to all when his view of the defense is limited because he is bent over or squatting. 

 

Same thought here.  I’m sure they don’t have a clear view of the secondary from center. 

 

Bet Patriot offense is the same. 

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Would it not be Dabol’s call?  It’s interesting that they put this on Josh.

Maybe and it could be more related to the type of offense they run and how simple it is. Daboll I believe runs an Ehrhardt Perkins style of offense, not sure what Gruden runs but assume it involves spider 2 Y banana 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Would it not be Dabol’s call?  It’s interesting that they put this on Josh.

 

He is talking about blocking assignments. Sometimes its the QB, sometimes its the center. I think most franchise QBs handle it, and centers for younger QBs handle it. 

[Rock'em Sock'em]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

Would it not be Dabol’s call?  It’s interesting that they put this on Josh.

 

Negative.  Brian Daboll is not on the field nor is he in the helmet for the last 15 seconds of play clock.

 

Daboll sets up the play with options built in.

Generally, the QB is responsible to select the correct option based on the play call and rarely select something totally different, perhaps based on the specific game plan.

Generally, the QB and center work together setup blocking assignments.  For example, when you hear "56 is the Mike", it's the quarterback that is identifying a key piece. The center and guards fine tune to figure out double teams, combo blocks, etc. based on the play call, defensive alignments, and their own in-game experience about what they think will work.  When an offensive line gels, it generally means that this communication and resulting executing is smooth and mistake-free.

[chris heff]

2 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

 

Negative.  Brian Daboll is not on the field nor is he in the helmet for the last 15 seconds of play clock.

 

Daboll sets up the play with options built in.

Generally, the QB is responsible to select the correct option based on the play call and rarely select something totally different, perhaps based on the specific game plan.

Generally, the QB and center work together setup blocking assignments.  For example, when you hear "56 is the Mike", it's the quarterback that is identifying a key piece. The center and guards fine tune to figure out double teams, combo blocks, etc. based on the play call, defensive alignments, and their own in-game experience about what they think will work.  When an offensive line gels, it generally means that this communication and resulting executing is smooth and mistake-free.

I think he meant that it is Daboll’s call as to who makes the on field call, the center or the QB.

[Cripple Creek]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I wonder if this is tied to the OL coach, the QB, or both? I would have assumed it would be the other way around given that Carr is a vet.

Not w Chucky.

[Socal-805]

 

 

WHO is going to be the starting game Center for Buffalo?

 

o  Morse - concussed.

o  Bodine - horrible and injured.

 

Spencer Long?

 

 

[TFBillsfan]

Hopeful Morse gets fully healed and is ready for the regular season. What an improvement compared to last years OL. Really like TY, Ford, (Morse/Feliciano at C) with Spain and Dawkins on the other side. Expecting significant improvement in the running game and giving Josh some time when he drops back.

Will be surprised if Bodine makes the roster.

[Big C]

I think most "franchise QBs" make the checks at the line. Seems like an indictment of Carr a little if he isn't able to make those checks. Maybe I'm wrong? 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I wonder if this is tied to the OL coach, the QB, or both? I would have assumed it would be the other way around given that Carr is a vet.

 

Probably didn't matter much in Oakland as they are just going to run "old school smash mouth football" (stated in my best Gruden voice)

[VW82]

That is interesting. Not that we needed any more evidence that Bodine will be shown the door. Maybe Long will be too? Some of us have been trying to find ways to keep Teller who's in a numbers crunch now that Ford is at RG. Using Feliciano as the back up C accomplishes that.

 

Edit: the more I think about it we have to carry three guys who can play center. Even if Morse comes back he's a ticking time bomb. This should mean our top eight guys are set (DD/QS/MM/CF/TN with JF, SL, and WT back ups). The question is, who is going to be the back up swing tackle?    

Edited August 11, 2019 by VW82

[NoSaint]

17 minutes ago, Big C said:

I think most "franchise QBs" make the checks at the line. Seems like an indictment of Carr a little if he isn't able to make those checks. Maybe I'm wrong? 

 

Weve had dozens, more likely hundreds, of posts about how we urgently needed to get a great center because of their coordinating of the line. 

 

Im not saying it right or wrong but it is amusing anecdotally how much we talk about things that often end up completely meaningless in the actual team 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Gray Beard said:

I’ve always wondered how the center is supposed to know what blocking scheme to all when his view of the defense is limited because he is bent over or squatting. 

They count hats at the LoS 

 

It's a numbers game down the line

 

 

Edited August 10, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Big C]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Weve had dozens, more likely hundreds, of posts about how we urgently needed to get a great center because of their coordinating of the line. 

 

Im not saying it right or wrong but it is amusing anecdotally how much we talk about things that often end up completely meaningless in the actual team 

 

Heh, yeah. Well in fairness we used to have QBs that couldn't do it. More often than not I think the center and the QB both make some calls and ultimately one of them - usually the QB I feel - makes the final call if there needs to be one. 

[T master]

It's a good thing that Beane brought in more than one player that has a history of experience at the position , the thing with Morse is really concerning & i would have thought would have been a concern & a talking point with his contract before making him the highest paid center in the league !

 

His concussion happened in camp so what's going to happen when the guys are going at it for real ? I hope this was just a fluke thing but it would really suck to have him be the next E. Wood, sign i big contract to be here for a while & BOOM out of no where something happens to diagnose a problem ?.

 

I just hope he will be good to go but missing this time to get in sync with Josh & the offense can't be good ! And to all those that say pre season games are use less i think this could be another reason to prove that game time on the field in this the of situation is better suited than 18 game season for the owners to make more money !! Just saying ...

[WideNine]

7 minutes ago, T master said:

It's a good thing that Beane brought in more than one player that has a history of experience at the position , the thing with Morse is really concerning & i would have thought would have been a concern & a talking point with his contract before making him the highest paid center in the league !

 

His concussion happened in camp so what's going to happen when the guys are going at it for real ? I hope this was just a fluke thing but it would really suck to have him be the next E. Wood, sign i big contract to be here for a while & BOOM out of no where something happens to diagnose a problem ?.

 

I just hope he will be good to go but missing this time to get in sync with Josh & the offense can't be good ! And to all those that say pre season games are use less i think this could be another reason to prove that game time on the field in this the of situation is better suited than 18 game season for the owners to make more money !! Just saying ...

 

If Long's hand is healed then we have a good backup to Morse (a better option than Bodine), but I would not be surprised if Beane grabs a center in the draft next year.

The frequency of Morse's concussions are the most concerning thing - not just for his career as a Bill, but for his own long term health after he hangs up his cleats. Playing on the line is like being in a car wreck over and over - there is little in the way of preventing helmet to helmet collisions, they happen on every play and once you become concussion-prone the odds are not good.

 

Fingers crossed, but I would rather see a player retire than ruin his life after the game.

[T master]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

If Long's hand is healed then we have a good backup to Morse (a better option than Bodine), but I would not be surprised if Beane grabs a center in the draft next year.

The frequency of Morse's concussions are the most concerning thing - not just for his career as a Bill, but for his own long term health after he hangs up his cleats. Playing on the line is like being in a car wreck over and over - there is little in the way of preventing helmet to helmet collisions, they happen on every play and once you become concussion-prone the odds are not good.

 

Fingers crossed, but I would rather see a player retire than ruin his life after the game.

 

 

 

[nucci]

I miss the old, old days when QBs called all the plays

[MAJBobby]

Protections and Blocking should be set off who is designated the Mike. Top end smart QBs are the ones doing that. Typically Rookies or non smart QBs rely on an experienced Center to call out the Mike. 

[WideNine]

8 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

 

 

Still kind of cracks me up to see that Gazoo helmet.

 

Applaud the attempt, but probably did little to actually prevent a concussion. Reducing the occurrence of concussions is the best we can probably hope for in contact sports (helmet to helmet hit fines go a long way) and hoping that medical science catches up on why one concussion so easily leads to another even when given time to recover from symptoms.

 

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Still kind of cracks me up to see that Gazoo helmet.

 

Applaud the attempt, but probably did little to actually prevent a concussion. Reducing the occurrence of concussions is the best we can probably hope for in contact sports (helmet to helmet hit fines go a long way) and hoping that medical science catches up on why one concussion so easily leads to another even when given time to recover from symptoms.

Nope. It did help. One of the big problems is that helmets are hard shelled. There are new helmets that absorb the impact better by conforming to the hit and distributing the force. It's the same reason why cars are made to crumple when in high impacts.

 

If every player was to use soft shelled helmets there would absolutely be a reduction in concussions. 

 

 

[WideNine]

17 hours ago, MJS said:

Nope. It did help. One of the big problems is that helmets are hard shelled. There are new helmets that absorb the impact better by conforming to the hit and distributing the force. It's the same reason why cars are made to crumple when in high impacts.

 

If every player was to use soft shelled helmets there would absolutely be a reduction in concussions. 

 

 

 

 

Good point and I stand corrected..

 

I misspoke when I said it did NO good, but my thoughts in regards to football helmet technology to date were circling around the fact that concussions can be triggered by both impact and torsion/inertial events. 

 

There is a lot that has been done and more that could be done to reduce the damage of impacts events and spread the energy, but torsion/inertia (the injuries to the brain involved in sudden changes in direction) are not fully addressed by impact reduction and simply may not be possible to fully mitigate in impact sports.

 

One can imagine the problem as running down the football field holding a glass jar filled with water and an egg and trying not to break the egg when getting hit from odd angles or stopped cold from a sprint. Certainly covering the jar with impact spreading material would help absorb the impact, but torsion and inertia events can still cause the egg to slap against one side or another of the inside of the jar and likely damaging it. Much like the brains response to sudden stops or changes in direction as it is also suspended in cerebral fluid and surrounded by the hard skull.

 

It will be interesting to see where they take impact reduction technology as in this demo. Any improvements in protection via energy absorption is a good thing, and we can always hope that medical science catches up in regards to treating concussions effectively so that they heal properly and do not recur so easily. 

[MJS]

24 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

 

Good point and I stand corrected..

 

I misspoke when I said it did NO good, but my thoughts in regards to football helmet technology to date were circling around the fact that concussions can be triggered by both impact and torsion/inertial events. 

 

There is a lot that has been done and more that could be done to reduce the damage of impacts events and spread the energy, but torsion/inertia (the injuries to the brain involved in sudden changes in direction) are not fully addressed by impact reduction and simply may not be possible to fully mitigate in impact sports.

 

One can imagine the problem as running down the football field holding a glass jar filled with water and an egg and trying not to break the egg when getting hit from odd angles or stopped cold from a sprint. Certainly covering the jar with impact spreading material would help absorb the impact, but torsion and inertia events can still cause the egg to slap against one side or another of the inside of the jar and likely damaging it. Much like the brains response to sudden stops or changes in direction as it is also suspended in cerebral fluid and surrounded by the hard skull.

 

It will be interesting to see where they take impact reduction technology as in this demo. Any improvements in protection via energy absorption is a good thing, and we can always hope that medical science catches up in regards to treating concussions effectively so that they heal properly and do not recur so easily. 

Totally agree. There's never going to be a way completely eliminate concussions in high impact sports like football. But I think if all hard pads and helmets were removed from the game and replaced with flexible versions that would go a long way towards helping.