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7 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

To be fair, though, all of those guys, with the exception of Listenbee, are currently on an NFL team.

 

Isn't Ragland a pretty good LB for the Chiefs?

 

This makes me think about Sabres GM Tim Murray. We got rid of him because of deals involving Robyn Lenher, Evander Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, even JT Compher. So who was the problem, really?

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4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Isn't Ragland a pretty good LB for the Chiefs?

 

This makes me think about Sabres GM Tim Murray. We got rid of him because of deals involving Robyn Lenher, Evander Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, even JT Compher. So who was the problem, really?

I think he was fairly average. He started all last season, and they ran what, on paper at least, looks like a more effective version of Rex's hybrid defensive scheme. He didn't get a lot of sacks, but a lot of press coverage, and a fair amount of tackles. 

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7 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Wait a minute, now... 2018:

Round #1

Josh Allen

Tremaine Edmunds

Round #3

Harrison Phillips

Round #4

Aaron Johnson

Round #5

Siran Neal

Wyatt Teller

Round #6

Ray Ray McCloud

Round #7

Austin Proehl

 

Even as recent as it is, you'd have to be pretty cynical to call that a terrible draft.

 

Proehl and mccloud gone 

Everyone else day 3 as a question mark

 

phillips 3rd in the rotation at best for what may be his whole rookie deal 

 

none are bad picks but it wouldn’t take a lot to break badly. Likewise a few could step up big time. Especially with wins at the top. That’s the mystery of it all. We like them right up until we don’t. Hopefully a few hold it off for a long time 

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39 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Proehl and mccloud gone 

Everyone else day 3 as a question mark

 

phillips 3rd in the rotation at best for what may be his whole rookie deal 

 

none are bad picks but it wouldn’t take a lot to break badly. Likewise a few could step up big time. Especially with wins at the top. That’s the mystery of it all. We like them right up until we don’t. Hopefully a few hold it off for a long time 

Well, of course. But, my point really is that even Proehl made his mark for the five minutes he was here. McCloud continues to be a fan favorite over a year after he was drafted (and, he is not yet gone, btw), Siran Neal, and Wyatt Teller are both considered reasonable depth, and may very well make the 53 this season, Taron Johnson is competing for nickel, and is likely to make the 53, Phillips is quality depth who is expected to make the 53, and could be assumed to have not reached his ceiling, and our first two picks, Allen and Edmunds are locks to start. 

 

None of that is homerism. That is a reasonable assessment of the 2018 draft, and it doesn't even include two UDFAs who are close to locks on the 53. Add a bunch of cynicism to that assessment, and it still adds up to a pretty damn good draft-- all in hindsight.

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8 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Why Whaley wasn't fired immediately after the 2016 season ended is beyond belief.  He was already gagged and told never to speak to the media after his disaster of a final press conference.  

Should've been fired after 2015, 3 years of failure as GM was more than enough....

 

and that's not considering the 3 years of failure before that as asst. GM.

 

Thank you once again Pegs for finally waking up.

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 Should have traded the entire draft for Carson Wentz or Elliott

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I was banging the table for Chris Jones with our first.  Then again I banged the table for Su'a Cravens.  You win some, you lose some

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I remember being overly critical and get fried up like a thanksgiving turkey. IIRC someone called the red priestess and brought me back 

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44 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Well, of course. But, my point really is that even Proehl made his mark for the five minutes he was here. McCloud continues to be a fan favorite over a year after he was drafted (and, he is not yet gone, btw), Siran Neal, and Wyatt Teller are both considered reasonable depth, and may very well make the 53 this season, Taron Johnson is competing for nickel, and is likely to make the 53, Phillips is quality depth who is expected to make the 53, and could be assumed to have not reached his ceiling, and our first two picks, Allen and Edmunds are locks to start. 

 

None of that is homerism. That is a reasonable assessment of the 2018 draft, and it doesn't even include two UDFAs who are close to locks on the 53. Add a bunch of cynicism to that assessment, and it still adds up to a pretty damn good draft-- all in hindsight.

 

Your take is totally reasonable. 

 

Seymour had that eye surgery that was going to be a break through to being a legit starter though too. It’s one of those things where they are all here because they are wildly filled with potential. I’m not saying any of the 18 class are junk, but that it’s so early to judge. We flop this year, fire McD and suddenly they may be scattered around the league and mismatched to scheme here. It can be a delicate road was my point, not hating on any player.

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33 minutes ago, Pete said:

I was banging the table for Chris Jones with our first.  Then again I banged the table for Su'a Cravens.  You win some, you lose some

At least you never said you'd quit your job if Jimmy Clausen wasn't a star in the NFL. 

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I did like the Shaq pick and I liked Seymour in the 6th. I disliked pretty much every other pick as soon as we made it. 

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12 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Out of curiosity, I was taking a look at previous Whaley regime drafts. What a mess.

 

2016:

1st Round: Shaq Lawson - declined 5th year option 

2nd Round: Reggie Ragland - traded for 4th round pick - no longer on team 

3rd Round: Adolphus Washington - practice squad player - no longer on team

4th Round: Cardale Jones - traded for 7th rounder - cut - no longer on team

5th Round: Jonathan Williams - practice squad player - no longer on team

6th Round: Kolby Listenbee - never played - no longer on team

6th Round - Kevon Seymour - traded for Kaelin Clay - both no longer on team

 

Everyone misses picks, but damn...

 

 

 

 

 

Why do people here count players that are playing on other teams as misses? The Bills had A LOT of former players in the conference championships last season.

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13 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Doug Whaley had a bad weekend, happens to everyone....

It was a Thursday................

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6 hours ago, Pete said:

I was banging the table for Chris Jones with our first.  Then again I banged the table for Su'a Cravens.  You win some, you lose some

 

Don't bang the table it spills all the beer..

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7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Isn't Ragland a pretty good LB for the Chiefs?

 

This makes me think about Sabres GM Tim Murray. We got rid of him because of deals involving Robyn Lenher, Evander Kane, Ryan O'Reilly, even JT Compher. So who was the problem, really?

 

No.

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2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

Don't bang the table it spills all the beer..

Bang the chick, not the table Khrushchev

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8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Why do people here count players that are playing on other teams as misses? The Bills had A LOT of former players in the conference championships last season.

There's a big difference. The former players who were in the conference championships were guys who either played out their rookie contracts and left as free agents (some for big $) or were traded for something valuable (like Watkins for a 2nd & Gaines).  Meanwhile, all of the 2016 draft picks with the exception of Lawson were gone before opening day 1 season later with virtually nothing in return and most of the ones still in the league are being viewed as camp bodies with little chance of being on a 2019 NFL 53 man roster.  2016's draft had a lot of misses.  

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On 6/20/2019 at 3:16 PM, Seasons1992 said:

All regimes after John Butler were really terrible. 

 

 I believe Beane will eventually become the most significant GM since Butler.  Butler’s only downfall is he didn’t manage the cap well.  He did have a great eye for talent.  That late 90’s defense was probably the best I can remember.

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I look back at that draft class and see a bunch of big name players from big name, winning schools like Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State. I have to wonder if the problem stemmed from the draft itself or the feeble coaching that followed.

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I'm not a fan of Whaley for a lot of reasons, but the 2016 draft was 100% on Rex.  They had to waste picks on rebuilding the defense for him.

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On 6/21/2019 at 3:12 AM, BullBuchanan said:

 

Why do people here count players that are playing on other teams as misses? The Bills had A LOT of former players in the conference championships last season.

 

  That's terrible logic. I mean Vlad Ducasse played in the playoffs for the BIlls. He must be some player.

 

  I wonder if fans of those teams consider them vital components?

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This draft is depressing as even Shaq is on the bubble.  I know Polian would commonly say if you're hitting on 60% or better you're in the ballpark of a very good GM.  He said his lifetime as well as Ron Wolf, both in the HOF were at57-60%.  Gil Brandt going in this year said the same thing.  I have real hope though and confidence with this administration.  I don't blame the Pegulas for making the mistake on Ryan and Whaley as they were new owners, but in my opinion, they did it right on the second round.

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On 6/20/2019 at 2:34 PM, Rigotz said:

Out of curiosity, I was taking a look at previous Whaley regime drafts. What a mess.

 

2016:

1st Round: Shaq Lawson - declined 5th year option 

2nd Round: Reggie Ragland - traded for 4th round pick - no longer on team 

3rd Round: Adolphus Washington - practice squad player - no longer on team

4th Round: Cardale Jones - traded for 7th rounder - cut - no longer on team

5th Round: Jonathan Williams - practice squad player - no longer on team

6th Round: Kolby Listenbee - never played - no longer on team

6th Round - Kevon Seymour - traded for Kaelin Clay - both no longer on team

 

Everyone misses picks, but damn...

 

 

 

 

Jonathon Williams was not a practice squad player nor was Washington.  Williams had a very promising rookie season but could put down the doobie IIRC.  I really believe coaching has a lot to do with it.  The lone player left of this draft has come miles under the new coaching staff.

 

BTW Ragland is doing pretty good for KC.

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