Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 @John from Riverside and @Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 35 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Belichick does it. GENIUS!! 34 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Read Yolo's tweet about Belicheck changing his OL constantly. He also has Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Oh. I feel like this is kind of gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 10:31 AM, BuffAlone said: You guys just remember that old BuffAlone was the first to recognize that this is completely absurd Yeah, but what do you know.. You’re alone in the Buff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Thanks. Even a blind squirrel is the sharpest in the kitchen drawer twice a day. I see how you merged those !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 11:16 AM, Patrick_Duffy said: Hear me out......? We need the shortest O-lineman possible with short arms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Fergy > CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I believe its Dabol's idea coming from NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 BBF>Wile E. Coyote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 42 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: YeAh, why would this make sense? O linemen benefit from consistency and knowing the guy next to you. Plus if you use certain o linemen, you might tip things off. I hope this is just a silly throwaway idea. Rather arcane of you, whippersnapper. Get with the times. They’ve reshaped the ball to aid the forward pass, the single wing is being fazed out and facemasks are all the rage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Gaaaah! ... another ***** gadget. All this team has ever had to do for the last 50something years is forge a ***** identity. Draft linebackers and ***** offensive linemen, luck into the occasional skill position and QB, and this team would be known, year in and year out, as a tough, mean, difficult win. Instead we're a ***** gadget bag in a blizzard. Speedy smurfs on ice. A perennial question bag of jokes. Great, let's find a new way to outsmart outselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 1:52 PM, Mike in Horseheads said: I have to say the OP is a visionary of innovation. Too bad some people are just set in their ways. I applauded this 3 months ago #visionary 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) On 6/7/2019 at 10:24 AM, BringBackFergy said: I know you are probably thinking there's a link to a profound article in this post, but NO. I came up with his idea all on my own. Watch how the football experts like ESPN, ProFootball Talk and Yahoo will pick up on this and run with it. You guys just remember that old Fergy was the first to recognize the clear goal of our head coach: He is building an 5 cylinder engine on the O Line with pistons firing from different positions at all different times. Here's what I mean: What is McDermott's #1 goal in finding a suitable Offensive lineman?? ANSWER: Versatility We have tackles that have played guard. We have guards that have played center. We have guards who played tackle. Shoot, we even had a TE who played tackle. The point is, all through OTA's and minicamp, we have seen a variety of players playing at different spots. Where else do we see this? On the defensive line of course. DT's move to outside, DT's drop back, DE's move inside, DE/Linebackers move inside, etc. So why not incorporate the movement and versatility of Offensive linemen in the same manner? For example: On 1st and 10, Morse lines up at center, Dawkins at Left Tackle, Feliciano at left Guard, Ford at right Guard and Nyseke at right Tackle. We gain 4 yards on a run play. On 2nd and 6, we break huddle and Feliciano take the Center position, Dawkins moves to right Guard (his position for years) , Ford moves to right Tackle, Morse takes left Guard and Nyseke moves over to left Tackle. The defensive ends and DT's will wonder what the hell is going on because most of them have studied film on the individual designated at that spot in front of them. The versatility will throw them off. Every great offense has to be innovative. In addition, versatility allows McDermott to create a stable of 8 O-lineman who can play all different positions. Just like McDermott cycles D lineman in to keep them fresh, he will substitute in O linemen or move them around the line every 3rd down or two to not only maintain "fresh legs" but to keep the defensive line guessing who they will be matched up against. It's a chess match, and McDermott is Bobby Fisher. Keep an eye out. This is the wave of the future and McDermott will be the innovator. What could possibly go wrong? https://giphy.com/gifs/6DyNiFYhOPsje Edited September 6, 2019 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 10:36 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......OL needs to jell as a unit, learning each other's tendencies, etc......Cowher said it is THE most important UNIT on the football field (ie. ALL on the same page)...."if it fails as a unit, everything else fails"...."plug 'n play defeats the "unit theory" IMO.... What the hell does Bill Cowher know about offensive football???? This is such a brilliant idea that I'm shocked it's taken an entire century of supposedly great coaches to grasp the awesomeness of "plug and play" for the OL!!!! McDermott is truly the son of the god Beane!!! //sarcasm off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, SoTier said: What the hell does Bill Cowher know about offensive football???? This is such a brilliant idea that I'm shocked it's taken an entire century of supposedly great coaches to grasp the awesomeness of "plug and play" for the OL!!!! McDermott is truly the son of the god Beane!!! //sarcasm off Belicheck has been doing this since the early 2000's before they were the dominant Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Most teams don’t have 7 starting caliber OL to be able to do this Just because they can't decide on which 5 to start doesn't mean that they have 7 "starting caliber" OLers any more than a HC not being able to decide which of 2 QBs to start means that he has 2 "starting caliber" QBs on his roster. My guess is that they still haven't hit on the right combination of 5 that does a good enough job at both run and pass blocking to become the starting OL. Probably one combo of 5 is significantly better run blocking but unacceptably poor at pass blocking while another is the opposite. It may very well be that Cody Ford is the problem --- maybe he's really not ready to play RT on every play. He wouldn't be the first rookie to need more than a few OTAs and a TC to adapt to the pro game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Most teams don’t have 7 starting caliber OL to be able to do this I think the strategy makes sense and not so much because of the amount of Oline you can swap off and onto the playing field per play. More so because it matches our strengths and weaknesses per individual player against the oppositions strengths and weaknesses. This can change from week to week or even from play to play IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I believe its Dabol's idea coming from NE. I dare anyone to find where Daboll suggested this type of "O line by committee" idea. First Chris Brown, now Daboll? I should be running this friggin' team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 7:58 PM, 3rdand12 said: Bobby Fisher ? love your enthusiasm my friend !! no one expects the Spanish Inquisition . No One ! Our chief weapons are fear, surprise, and a ruthless devotion to the pope... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, SoTier said: What the hell does Bill Cowher know about offensive football???? This is such a brilliant idea that I'm shocked it's taken an entire century of supposedly great coaches to grasp the awesomeness of "plug and play" for the OL!!!! McDermott is truly the son of the god Beane!!! //sarcasm off ...CRAZY stuff, isn't it?......if you're formidable on the blind side, why the hell would you "plug and play"?......lookin' to get Josh on a gurney?......the ONLY remote possibility (and a waste of time/failed idea IMO), is to do it in tandems, but not the blind side (so what's the value?)....Shell/Upshaw and Jones/Hutch were considered legendary tandems (LEFT SIDE)...even Mouse would never have tinkered with them and he was THE master......so possibly you could have a right side starting tandem and a backup RIGHT SIDE tandem......but even that is asinine IMO....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 It doesn't work...O Line needs to be together so they work on communication, timing and understanding what the others will do in various situationa...only way to do that is through lots of reps together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: It doesn't work...O Line needs to be together so they work on communication, timing and understanding what the others will do in various situationa...only way to do that is through lots of reps together. ...uh oh....voice of reason stuff........better don the kevlar vest bro.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 Now Sal Cappacola on WGR is talking about substitutions on O Line based on best matchups. WTF?? Is this alt-universe? Are we in Russia? This isn’t Russia, is this Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 38 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Our chief weapons are fear, surprise, and a ruthless devotion to the pope... Well done indeed !! Bring forth the Comfy chair !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Figster said: I think the strategy makes sense and not so much because of the amount of Oline you can swap off and onto the playing field per play. More so because it matches our strengths and weaknesses per individual player against the oppositions strengths and weaknesses. This can change from week to week or even from play to play IMO. This is the key. week to week matchups. That's true flexibility. and if a team switches schemes at half time l all bellchickian and such. you add or subtract girth for finesse and vice vin it's true sense this is not gadget football. it is being prepared for nearly any situation that a game day might bring. The D line rotation beane and Frazier use is a simpler and basic form of that 39 minutes ago, matter2003 said: It doesn't work...O Line needs to be together so they work on communication, timing and understanding what the others will do in various situationa...only way to do that is through lots of reps together. you have a closed mind. They have all kinds of combo reps in OTAs and preseason. minus Morse 39 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...uh oh....voice of reason stuff........better don the kevlar vest bro.......... bandwagoner 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: This is the key. week to week matchups. That's true flexibility. and if a team switches schemes at half time l all bellchickian and such. you add or subtract girth for finesse and vice vin it's true sense this is not gadget football. it is being prepared for nearly any situation that a game day might bring. The D line rotation beane and Frazier use is a simpler and basic form of that you have a closed mind. They have all kinds of combo reps in OTAs and preseason. minus Morse bandwagoner Yes and they didnt look very good. Plus nobody is running stunts or tackle/end games and exotic blitzes in preseason Edited September 4, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Yes and they didnt look very good. Plus nobody is running stunts or tackle/end games and exotic blitzes in preseason It is reps as you mentioned. They looked okay except with Bodine in But i do understand the point about outsmarting themselves : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 6/7/2019 at 10:24 AM, BringBackFergy said: I know you are probably thinking there's a link to a profound article in this post, but NO. I came up with his idea all on my own. Watch how the football experts like ESPN, ProFootball Talk and Yahoo will pick up on this and run with it. You guys just remember that old Fergy was the first to recognize the clear goal of our head coach: He is building an 5 cylinder engine on the O Line with pistons firing from different positions at all different times. Here's what I mean: What is McDermott's #1 goal in finding a suitable Offensive lineman?? ANSWER: Versatility We have tackles that have played guard. We have guards that have played center. We have guards who played tackle. Shoot, we even had a TE who played tackle. The point is, all through OTA's and minicamp, we have seen a variety of players playing at different spots. Where else do we see this? On the defensive line of course. DT's move to outside, DT's drop back, DE's move inside, DE/Linebackers move inside, etc. So why not incorporate the movement and versatility of Offensive linemen in the same manner? For example: On 1st and 10, Morse lines up at center, Dawkins at Left Tackle, Feliciano at left Guard, Ford at right Guard and Nyseke at right Tackle. We gain 4 yards on a run play. On 2nd and 6, we break huddle and Feliciano take the Center position, Dawkins moves to right Guard (his position for years) , Ford moves to right Tackle, Morse takes left Guard and Nyseke moves over to left Tackle. The defensive ends and DT's will wonder what the hell is going on because most of them have studied film on the individual designated at that spot in front of them. The versatility will throw them off. Every great offense has to be innovative. In addition, versatility allows McDermott to create a stable of 8 O-lineman who can play all different positions. Just like McDermott cycles D lineman in to keep them fresh, he will substitute in O linemen or move them around the line every 3rd down or two to not only maintain "fresh legs" but to keep the defensive line guessing who they will be matched up against. It's a chess match, and McDermott is Bobby Fisher. Keep an eye out. This is the wave of the future and McDermott will be the innovator. How did I miss this back in June? You're an idiot. Sorry it took so long to let you know. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, DC Tom said: How did I miss this back in June? You're an idiot. Sorry it took so long to let you know. Don't forget me ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, DC Tom said: How did I miss this back in June? You're an idiot. Sorry it took so long to let you know. The truth hurts. And as I said, all the “experts” are now talking about O line by committee. I’ll wait for your comforting words of respect. 7 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Don't forget me ! Get your own damn thread to be called an idiot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: The truth hurts. And as I said, all the “experts” are now talking about O line by committee. I’ll wait for your comforting words of respect. Okay. You're a ***** idiot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Okay. You're a ***** idiot. That’s the Tom I remember. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 You received every emoji possible with your thread, Fergy. Congrats. That is an internet first! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said: Don't forget me ! Don’t worry, he says this to everyone, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: The truth hurts. And as I said, all the “experts” are now talking about O line by committee. I’ll wait for your comforting words of respect. Get your own damn thread to be called an idiot. Maybe some day i will aspire to the noble cause. But a pup here. And btw tanks Tom nice to be part of the huddles masses below the balcony ur the best Pops ! 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Don’t worry, he says this to everyone, Go Bills!!! oh i thought one had to earn it lol Go Bills indeed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 I just think we struck gold with McDermott. It's now year 3 and I think we're going to see much more exotic and dynamic play on both sides of the ball. We're going to see his personality shine through this team . I think we'll be way more aggressive on both sides of the ball. Something special about this team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 15 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: Don't forget me ! I confess, I'd completely forgotten about you. I miss that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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