LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) What a miserable condescending prick. He just went on a 10 minute tirade at the start of a show with Bruce Murray about how GM’s, Player Personnel Directors and HC’s are the only ones who really know about prospects....oh and of course he knows. Everyone else knows a fraction of everything draft related. Just comes off as a bitter old man. How is Murray now supposed to to a 4 hour draft show with callers, when you are working with a guy who just said...all you idiots know nothing. Edited April 26, 2019 by LabattBlue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) I think he is channeling all the anger that he holds from how all of the Colts fans and media prognosticators crapped all over his son for years. Basically saying they know nothing. Edited April 26, 2019 by MrEpsYtown 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) Well, he certainly knows how to start up a new football league.....I'll give him that much. Edited April 26, 2019 by twist_to_open Mis spelling 2 9 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 It’s sad. He should have retired in the 90’s and walked away from the game. He would have been respected, wealthy and maintained a greater degree of mental health had he done so. Now he’s just a sad and bitter old fool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: What a miserable condescending prick. He just went on a 10 minute tirade at the start of a show with Bruce Murray about how GM’s, Player Personnel Directors and HC’s are the only ones who really know about prospects....oh and of course he knows. Everyone else knows a fraction of everything draft related. Just comes off as a bitter old man. How is Murray now supposed to to a 4 hour draft show with callers, when you are working with a guy who just said...all you idiots know nothing. Meh. Still, he and Levy were the best GM and HC ever in modern Bills History. But, I wouldn't want neither anywhere near my organization unless it's some type of team nostalgia event. We all get old dude, shoot Levy was a bitter old man when he coached the Bills...LOL.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 He's having a really, really bad month.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 He’s been off his rocker for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 OP: Isn't that how talk radio works? Get the listener's all riled up and you get more calls. It's on page one of the radio consultant's playbook... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 BM: Bill, any input on the draft rooms' inner workings? BP: Get off of my lawn. When is Jeopardy on? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Yeah, he’s jumped the shark. There was a story going around that he actually wanted to draft Ryan Leaf but Jim Mora overruled him because he knew the Mannings. Polian should just enjoy retirement. 24 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Meh. Still, he and Levy were the best GM and HC ever in modern Bills History. But, I wouldn't want neither anywhere near my organization unless it's some type of team nostalgia event. We all get old dude, shoot Levy was a bitter old man when he coached the Bills...LOL.. He also was in a great situation. Inherited Kelly and got handed the 1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lurker said: OP: Isn't that how talk radio works? Get the listener's all riled up and you get more calls. It's on page one of the radio consultant's playbook... ...except this wasn’t some scripted schtick. You could tell this is how he really feels. It almost felt like he was yelling at Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 38 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: What a miserable condescending prick. He just went on a 10 minute tirade at the start of a show with Bruce Murray about how GM’s, Player Personnel Directors and HC’s are the only ones who really know about prospects....oh and of course he knows. Everyone else knows a fraction of everything draft related. Just comes off as a bitter old man. How is Murray now supposed to to a 4 hour draft show with callers, when you are working with a guy who just said...all you idiots know nothing. Bill just had an entire football league go up in flames on him. Probably had some money invested as well. I'd be bitter. 35 minutes ago, twist_to_open said: Well, he certainly knows how to start up a new football league.....I'll give him that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I mean, he is right... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, LabattBlue said: ...except this wasn’t some scripted schtick. You could tell this is how he really feels. It almost felt like he was yelling at Murray. Sigh. I worry that Bill is showing some early signs of dementia or something like that. His getting the boot from ESPN, involvement with the AAF, etc. He seems to be going downhill even compared to Marv (who's still as sharp as a tack)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 I forgot one other thing Polian was ranting about... No such thing as a point chart...not in the past, not now. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 It's a shame people are still hiring him while he scammed hundreds of others out there. Also, rumor has it, he wanted Leaf over Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: It's a shame people are still hiring him while he scammed hundreds of others out there. Also, rumor has it, he wanted Leaf over Manning. Fightin words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I’m not sure... a lot of keyboard warriors here claim to think they know more than everyone because they watch highlight reals and read mock drafts. I’ll take a HOF GM over y’all. Seems like everyone is just bitter that he got to live out their dream. For the record, a good friend of mine was working in Player Personnel for the AAF, we were both finalists for the role. He sat with Bill during every game and scouting session, said he’s still sharp as a tack. Sure, make quips that he’s losing his mind. The funny thing is he’s forgotten more about football than y’all will ever know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Also, rumor has it, he wanted Leaf over Manning. As usual with you...Bupkis! http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11654158/manning-leaf-1998-draft "The next day, Jim Mora and I met and I said, "Where are you with the quarterbacks?" "I'm with Peyton," he said. "I'm the same way. If we believe in all the things that we both think are important for a winning football team, then it's Peyton." "Yeah, you're right." After that, I met with Jim Irsay. "What's your decision?" he said. "The decision is unanimous," I said. "It's Peyton." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) Polian's view on the "insider" vs. "outsider" thing is no different than anyone else on the inside! It's just that he is the kind of guy to come out and say as much. I assure you they all feel that way, including McDermott. The irony is that in many instances, the "outsiders" actually know a hell of a lot more than the insiders. When to punt and challenge calls are 2 good examples of that. Edited April 26, 2019 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Uh. He's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lurker said: As usual with you...Bupkis! http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11654158/manning-leaf-1998-draft "The next day, Jim Mora and I met and I said, "Where are you with the quarterbacks?" "I'm with Peyton," he said. "I'm the same way. If we believe in all the things that we both think are important for a winning football team, then it's Peyton." "Yeah, you're right." After that, I met with Jim Irsay. "What's your decision?" he said. "The decision is unanimous," I said. "It's Peyton." So if Leaf acted like Manning predraft, who would have Polian drafted? Even Pat McAfee agreed that only reason Manning was drafted was because Leaf didn't show up. Point is, Polian scouted Leaf and thought he was the better football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I have never understood why there are so many Bills fans that hate Polian. He built the best team the Bills have ever had. He's super old now and shares his opinions about football, because that's his life's work. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: I have never understood why there are so many Bills fans that hate Polian. He built the best team the Bills have ever had. He's super old now and shares his opinions about football, because that's his life's work. Good for him. Well it doesn't make for good radio. He might has well just said "F*** all you idiots", and then hang up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Well it doesn't make for good radio. He might has well just said "F*** all you idiots", and then hang up. Sounds like awesome radio. In fact, it got you to start a topic about it to continue the discussion without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: So if Leaf acted like Manning predraft, who would have Polian drafted? Even Pat McAfee agreed that only reason Manning was drafted was because Leaf didn't show up. Point is, Polian scouted Leaf and thought he was the better football player. But he still went with Manning, so what is the point? He took into account the total package... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Maybe fans can be a little thin skinned when they feel someone may have the audacity to imply GMs,scouts etc. may know more than we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Sounds like awesome radio. In fact, it got you to start a topic about it to continue the discussion without him. You got me there. Nice job champ. You win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 4 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: It’s sad. He should have retired in the 90’s and walked away from the game. He would have been respected, wealthy and maintained a greater degree of mental health had he done so. Now he’s just a sad and bitter old fool. He couldn't stay humble. It caught up with him everywhere. And his ego really took him to complete sh*tsville as an evaluator by the early 2000's and he left that Colts team with a bare cupboard. Corporate raider GM who over stays his welcome. It was actually time for him to go in Buffalo. Butler did a bang up job fixing a lot of the things that were atrophying under Polian. He deserves credit for his aggressiveness on the upswing of organizations but once teams got good he got rabbit ears and seemed to do dumb things to spite his critics. Like not replacing Jeff Wright with a real NT. Or Kelso. He rode Norwood about 3 years too long. Not pursuing Charles Haley might have been the most inexcusable though. The last team the Niners wanted to trade him to was the Cowboys. I still get a red head thinking about the day that trade went down. Polian was just so obstinate that they won HIS WAY and sure they were going to get a lucky SB matchup at some point before their window closed. Then FA happened. He pulled the same sh*t in Indy but finally got lucky and drew a Rex Grossman lead Bears team and got his sole ring. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I will ALWAYS appreciate what Bill Polian did for the Buffalo Bills...but in 2019 I find him almost unlistenable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I heard the whole thing on the way to the gym...I think you left out some key parts. He stated that the media pundits have access to about 20% of the information teams use to evaluate prospects and even former scouts and GMs like him have tops 40%. The medical records, psychological tests, and personality profiles are all confidential information and critical to evaluating the prospect. I agree he sounded like an old arrogant prick when pointing this out -- but he speaks the truth. He also stated that he doesn't believe in a reach...and he gave some great data: 30-year study: 57% of first round picks become productive starters 43% of second round picks become productive starters 30% of third-round picks become productive starters 20% of fourth-round picks become productive starters Lesson don't accumulate picks -- but focus on where you get productive starters. I thought it was some of the best draft analysis I have heard in quite some time... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeF said: I heard the whole thing on the way to the gym...I think you left out some key parts. He stated that the media pundits have access to about 20% of the information teams use to evaluate prospects and even former scouts and GMs like him have tops 40%. The medical records, psychological tests, and personality profiles are all confidential information and critical to evaluating the prospect. I agree he sounded like an old arrogant prick when pointing this out -- but he speaks the truth. He also stated that he doesn't believe in a reach...and he gave some great data: 30-year study: 57% of first round picks become productive starters 43% of second round picks become productive starters 30% of third-round picks become productive starters 20% of fourth-round picks become productive starters Lesson don't accumulate picks -- but focus on where you get productive starters. I thought it was some of the best draft analysis I have heard in quite some time... I must have turned it off in anger, before the 30 year study numbers. I just felt bad for Murray the way Polian was ranting. He didn't seem to know whether to cut him off, or let him ramble on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Just now, LabattBlue said: I must have turned it off in anger, before the 30 year study numbers. I just felt bad for Murray the way Polian was ranting. He didn't seem to know whether to cut him off, or let him ramble on. He did sound like Statler and Waldorf all rolled into one freaking arrogant bastage....you are dead on there my friend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, JoeF said: 57% of first round picks become productive starters 43% of second round picks become productive starters 30% of third-round picks become productive starters 20% of fourth-round picks become productive starters This why I think its essential they package some of those 4th and 5th round picks to move up in the 2nd and 3rd... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: This why I think its essential they package some of those 4th and 5th round picks to move up in the 2nd and 3rd... Total agreement Lurker. Get back into the bottom of the second by packaging the 3rd, 4th and 5th. He stated that the difference between a good UDFA that fell for no reason and a 5th round pick is basically single-digit percentages and that, of course, HE WAS THE BEST at finding UDFA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I like him. Maybe more now than when he was our GM. Canton doesn’t just haphazardly put an administrator in the Hall. He’s there. Are any of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Just now, Chandler#81 said: I like him. Maybe more now than when he was our GM. Canton doesn’t just haphazardly put an administrator in the Hall. He’s there. Are any of you? I love what he did for the Bills, but I can also see why his shelf life with a team is about 5-7 years. His personality seems abrasive, insufferable and arrogant and I should know because that describes me... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I like him. Maybe more now than when he was our GM. Canton doesn’t just haphazardly put an administrator in the Hall. He’s there. Are any of you? Does his HoF status allow him to act like a jackass on the radio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, JoeF said: He did sound like Statler and Waldorf all rolled into one freaking arrogant bastage....you are dead on there my friend. Man @Alaska Darin& @DC Tom rolled into one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 5 hours ago, LabattBlue said: What a miserable condescending prick. He just went on a 10 minute tirade at the start of a show with Bruce Murray about how GM’s, Player Personnel Directors and HC’s are the only ones who really know about prospects....oh and of course he knows. Everyone else knows a fraction of everything draft related. Just comes off as a bitter old man. How is Murray now supposed to to a 4 hour draft show with callers, when you are working with a guy who just said...all you idiots know nothing. Clearly he forgot the experts at Cover1.com LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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