Rico Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 23 minutes ago, HOUSE said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I haven’t read all 12 pages but here are my thoughts on reading about half the comments. I always felt defenses played Gronk wrong. His size made him a matchup nightmare for either a LB or a DB. But his speed could be neutralized by a DB - not all the time but some of the time. This was comfiremd to me by the comments from Jalen Ramsey. A DB could at least stay with Gronk making it somewhat more difficult to complete a pass. He was the premier blocking TE of his era. He will be in the HOF. I suspect he will get in the first ballot but It will depend on the rest of the eligible class. He is not in my top 5 tight ends of all time so nowhere near the GOAT My top 5: 1. Tony Gonzalez 2. John Mackey 3. Kellen Winslow 4. Ozzie Newsome 5. Antonio Gates (Gates would be higher but he never was much of a blocking threat) I probably put Gronk at 6, ahead of Sharpe and Ditka. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Once I know he’s retired for good, and he’s not coming back later in the year, I’ll give him all the props he deserves. Till then, I’ll rest up. Either way, I’ll wish him well in terms of his long term health. (Despite the wicked cheap shot on Tre.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) Sick already of seeing so many call him a “class act” today. That was one of the dirtiest hits I’ve seen in my life. Edited March 26, 2019 by Success 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mij yllek Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 99% chance the Patriots find a way to draft T.J. Hockenson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 This is the kind of thing that gets me daydreaming about the day that Bill and/or Brady finally do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 He retires for a year then comes back to play for his hometown Bills a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Mij yllek said: 99% chance the Patriots find a way to draft T.J. Hockenson. More like 1% chance they do. And apparently Jared Cook didn’t want to join them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) Lotta Buffalo in this Boston Globe piece on Gronk, with Vic Carucci playing a starring role re: the high school years at Williamsville North (I went to East and about half of my friends went to North). https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/gronkowski-retires-nothing-less-than-football-folk-hero/llRb5DoBUFAyX4VXqv8vBM/story.html Edited March 26, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 6:32 AM, Gugny said: I don't understand how any self-respecting football fan can define one's entire 9-year-career by one play. And how can any self-respecting Bills fan be here carrying water for Jordan Poyer and Kyle Williams after doing nothing after Gronk hit Tre? Front row seats to this capital offense and all they did was ask for a flag. Idk if Kyle was over their. I recall an lb no longer on this team being closest to the play not doing anything. As much as the child in me would have loved a fight, it's also just that childish. It's not just the hit on Tre. It's the way he acts, speaks, the 69 jokes directed at female reporters that if tre, shady, or almost any other athlete made they'd be in trouble. The guy is a douchebag. Not sure what redeemable qualities people find in him besides being an animal who was trained well at football. Like I said, he's a douche. Wish him the worst. It started before the tre cheap shot and went on after that. The tre thing was just another nail in the coffin of his ***** personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Idk if Kyle was over their. I recall an lb no longer on this team being closest to the play not doing anything. As much as the child in me would have loved a fight, it's also just that childish. It's not just the hit on Tre. It's the way he acts, speaks, the 69 jokes directed at female reporters that if tre, shady, or almost any other athlete made they'd be in trouble. The guy is a douchebag. Not sure what redeemable qualities people find in him besides being an animal who was trained well at football. Like I said, he's a douche. Wish him the worst. It started before the tre cheap shot and went on after that. The tre thing was just another nail in the coffin of his ***** personality. I'm glad no one retaliated that game because it might have caused them to lose the following weekend and miss the playoffs. I wish however that in the 2nd game this year, after the Bills were out of it, someone took Cretin's knees out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: I'm glad no one retaliated that game because it might have caused them to lose the following weekend and miss the playoffs. I wish however that in the 2nd game this year, after the Bills were out of it, someone took Cretin's knees out. I know. It's a lot like Landry, you always want some kind of revenge but I honestly just don't think that's how the game is played anymore. So many of these guys have relationships and with free agency, I don't think you get guys like that. They're all essentially mercenaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I know. It's a lot like Landry, you always want some kind of revenge but I honestly just don't think that's how the game is played anymore. So many of these guys have relationships and with free agency, I don't think you get guys like that. They're all essentially mercenaries. Well, they protected Josh when Kiko put a dirty hit on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Well, they protected Josh when Kiko put a dirty hit on him. That's true. It was refreshing to see. Maybe it's just with age, but I generally think in all sports players want to be friends. Then they all will likely be on more than one team so they can't burn bridges. It's all the football camps, ACU teams in basketball, hockey camps and coming up through minors. A lot of the elite players in all sports are friends by teenage years because not many deal with the same kind of up bringing. I'm going on a tangent. I just think the days are largely dead of true rivalries. No one cares about what's on the front of the shirt, it's about the one on the back. Which I don't blame them and I feel like I'm usually not one to make this point, but does anyone on the Bills honestly care about a divisional opponent because they're representing Buffalo? Same goes for the other teams regarding the Bills. If the Pat's haven't been dominant for 20 years no one would get up for that game. They don't give an eff about the dolphins or the history. Most of the team is from the south anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) I’m pretty sure it’s safe to say he’s retired for good. I guess 4 months off of the “supplements” will make you the incredible shrinking man. Edited June 29, 2019 by Captain Murica 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 My son showed me this an hour ago. If that doesn't say it all... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 41 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: I’m pretty sure it’s safe to say he’s retired for good. I guess 4 months off of the “supplements” will make you the incredible shrinking man. The comments on that tweet are hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The comments on that tweet are hilarious. Dallas Buyers Club lmaoooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Captain Murica said: I’m pretty sure it’s safe to say he’s retired for good. I guess 4 months off of the “supplements” will make you the incredible shrinking man. Good. When I saw this I thought the worse - he was returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 I wonder if he was retiring because he was going to get suspension from NFL and he got word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 39 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if he was retiring because he was going to get suspension from NFL and he got word. I still think: -his attack on Tre White in 2017 was roid rage -he, Edelman and Brady are all on the same ***** from that shady Guerrero guy -Edelman forgot to take the masking agent and got caught 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I still think: -his attack on Tre White in 2017 was roid rage -he, Edelman and Brady are all on the same ***** from that shady Guerrero guy -Edelman forgot to take the masking agent and got caught I believe all of this to be true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Captain Murica said: I’m pretty sure it’s safe to say he’s retired for good. I guess 4 months off of the “supplements” will make you the incredible shrinking man. ....LMAO.....dress 'em in yellow and he could pass for a #2 pencil............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....LMAO.....dress 'em in yellow and he could pass for a #2 pencil............. Looks like he’s about to Star in the Dallas Buyers Club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 11 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Good. When I saw this I thought the worse - he was returning. When I saw that pic I said "yeah...he's not coming back from that." 11 hours ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if he was retiring because he was going to get suspension from NFL and he got word. Maybe, but more likely he's finally realizing how much the roids have ravaged his body. Or someone else realized it for him because he's not too bright upstairs. 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I still think: -his attack on Tre White in 2017 was roid rage -he, Edelman and Brady are all on the same ***** from that shady Guerrero guy -Edelman forgot to take the masking agent and got caught That pic leaves no doubt that he's been on the juice. And I've had have no doubt that the Cheaters have had their players on HGH ever since Rodney got busted for it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Maybe, but more likely he's finally realizing how much the roids have ravaged his body. Or someone else realized it for him because he's not too bright upstairs. I think he is a lot brighter than people give him credit for. He has saved all of his NFL money, got sponsors to pay for his recreational trips and has not lost $500K in jewelry to some "girlfriends". I think it is his moral compass which is broken due to all of the attention he has got so he thinks it is okay to take cheap shots at a player with good chance of crippling them for life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 53 minutes ago, Doc said: That pic leaves no doubt that he's been on the juice. And I've had have no doubt that the Cheaters have had their players on HGH ever since Rodney got busted for it. I would venture to say that more than half of every team's roster is juicing/using HGH. This is far from a "Patriots," issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 31 minutes ago, Gugny said: I would venture to say that more than half of every team's roster is juicing/using HGH. This is far from a "Patriots," issue. Probably true. But they're the only team who had a player busted for HGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, Gugny said: I would venture to say that more than half of every team's roster is juicing/using HGH. This is far from a "Patriots," issue. I hate the Patriots as much as anyone but I have to be honest... The issue of PEDs doesn't matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Gugny said: I would venture to say that more than half of every team's roster is juicing/using HGH. This is far from a "Patriots," issue. i assumed everyone has been using some kind of help since the 1950s, maybe punters aren't using Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Most NFL players are on PEDs but wow, he SHRUNK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Gugny said: I would venture to say that more than half of every team's roster is juicing/using HGH. This is far from a "Patriots," issue. But when it comes to cheating, I would say they are the Flagship! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Doc said: When I saw that pic I said "yeah...he's not coming back from that." Maybe, but more likely he's finally realizing how much the roids have ravaged his body. Or someone else realized it for him because he's not too bright upstairs. That pic leaves no doubt that he's been on the juice. And I've had have no doubt that the Cheaters have had their players on HGH ever since Rodney got busted for it. I wouldn't say that the pic is 100% guarentee of roid rage I have a good amount of friends that played in the league and when they retired and stopped lifting they all lost 50-75 pounds and got skinny Anabolic steroids are not really in rn Edited June 30, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I wouldn't say that the pic is 100% guarentee of roid rage I have a good amount of friends that played in the league and when they retired and stopped lifting they all lost 50-75 pounds and got skinny Anabolic steroids are not really in rn Would they have told you if they were using roids? Probably not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I wouldn't say that the pic is 100% guarentee of roid rage I have a good amount of friends that played in the league and when they retired and stopped lifting they all lost 50-75 pounds and got skinny Anabolic steroids are not really in rn ...NOT by any means implying that he did, but did you see the Joe Thomas post retirement transformation?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...NOT by any means implying that he did, but did you see the Joe Thomas post retirement transformation?...... I was going to mention JT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I was going to mention JT. ...why he's thinner than Benjamin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...NOT by any means implying that he did, but did you see the Joe Thomas post retirement transformation?...... Eric Wood as well. But I think it’s different with Olinemen who have to have a specific regimen to keep at a certain weight to play on the line, and it’s not all muscle at that position. 300 lbs is not a natural or healthy weight for a guy not playing football, so those guys typically drop a ton when they stop playing for health reasons. For a TE who went from having a 260 pound all muscle frame in order to run fast to look like a skinny teenager after just 4 months out of the game is kind of alarming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Eric Wood as well. But I think it’s different with Olinemen who have to have a specific regimen to keep at a certain weight to play on the line, and it’s not all muscle at that position. 300 lbs is not a natural or healthy weight for a guy not playing football, so those guys typically drop a ton when they stop playing for health reasons. For a TE who went from having a 260 pound all muscle frame in order to run fast to look like a skinny teenager after just 4 months out of the game is kind of alarming. ...CERTAINLY agree Yolo......look at some of these world class weightlifters......they have to maintain a DAILY regimen of 12,000+ calories......TWELVE THOUSAND?...SERIOUSLY?....if you ate a neighbor's entire household daily including offspring and pets, you gotta come up short.....WTF?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc said: Would they have told you if they were using roids? Probably not. That is a fair question that I never asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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